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Just a quick few questions I'm running up against.

1) Can 2 different marked lords, join an unmarked unit? IE can a lord with the mark or nugle and one with the mark of khorne join an umarked unit (we'll say vanilla CSMs for rule purposes). Since the Mark of Chaos entry simply says they cannot join units with different marks, if the base unit is unmarked is there any conflict about have 2 ICs with different marks join?

2) What profile does a blastmaster in a rhino that has moved at any speed use?

Thanks.

1. Debatable. Discuss with your group, out all the TO.
2. Not sure, don't have codex to look up stat line.

 buddha wrote:
2) What profile does a blastmaster in a rhino that has moved at any speed use?

You'd have to use the Assault profile. You can't snap-fire a Blast weapon.

 Janthkin wrote:

 buddha wrote:
2) What profile does a blastmaster in a rhino that has moved at any speed use?

You'd have to use the Assault profile. You can't snap-fire a Blast weapon.

Indeed, but when moving at combat speed one vehicle weapon can fire at full ballistic skill. However, the rhino, and consequently the unit inside did move, so I'm still curious which profile to use.

 buddha wrote:

 Janthkin wrote:

 buddha wrote:
2) What profile does a blastmaster in a rhino that has moved at any speed use?

You'd have to use the Assault profile. You can't snap-fire a Blast weapon.

Indeed, but when moving at combat speed one vehicle weapon can fire at full ballistic skill. However, the rhino, and consequently the unit inside did move, so I'm still curious which profile to use.

The transported unit is not the vehicle - check the rules for fire points & transported units again. If the vehicle moves, the embarked unit counts as moving.

 Janthkin wrote:
If the vehicle moves, the embarked unit counts as moving. .

Sad but true, shame we can't buy suspension for the rhino.

 Janthkin wrote:

 buddha wrote:

 Janthkin wrote:

 buddha wrote:
2) What profile does a blastmaster in a rhino that has moved at any speed use?

You'd have to use the Assault profile. You can't snap-fire a Blast weapon.

Indeed, but when moving at combat speed one vehicle weapon can fire at full ballistic skill. However, the rhino, and consequently the unit inside did move, so I'm still curious which profile to use.

The transported unit is not the vehicle - check the rules for fire points & transported units again. If the vehicle moves, the embarked unit counts as moving.

Great, that's settled then. Still need number 1. Thanks.

As I said, it is debatable. One side says that the unit does not have a mark, therefore any marked IC can join. The other says as soon as a marked IC joins, the unit does have a mark (even if only one model has it) and therefore a marked IC with a different mark cannot join.

 Happyjew wrote:
As I said, it is debatable. One side says that the unit does not have a mark, therefore any marked IC can join. The other says as soon as a marked IC joins, the unit does have a mark (even if only one model has it) and therefore a marked IC with a different mark cannot join.

Oh I agree which is why I posted here, but can anyone give a solid argument one way or another? I'd lean on the side of allowable under RAW.

The thing about marks and units, is that no "unit" may contain more than 1 mark within it, at any given time. Once an IC joins the group, he is considered a part of the unit.

Mind you though, this doesnt stop you from putting Abaddon in a unit with someone who already has a mark

Well what if I have 2 lord beside each other, one has mon one has mok, my csm squad is right beside them and they join the unit at the same time?

I would say no, not allowed... but reading the RAW on it...

From the Codex: An independent character with a mark of chaos may not join a unit with a different mark of chaos.

From the rulebook: While an independent character is part of a unit, he counts as part of the unit for all rules purposes.

On the note of moving them "at the same time"

From the rulebook: "Once a unit has completed all of its movement, you can select another unit and move that one..."

So the unit moves to where both lords could move into coherency with it. The first lord steps in and joins the unit. The second he does... the unit contains a mark of chaos and cannot be joined by another IC with a different mark.

*slams books shut* Good day gentlemen

Eboncrow wrote:
I would say no, not allowed... but reading the RAW on it...

From the Codex: An independent character with a mark of chaos may not join a unit with a different mark of chaos.

From the rulebook: While an independent character is part of a unit, he counts as part of the unit for all rules purposes.

On the note of moving them "at the same time"

From the rulebook: "Once a unit has completed all of its movement, you can select another unit and move that one..."

So the unit moves to where both lords could move into coherency with it. The first lord steps in and joins the unit. The second he does... the unit contains a mark of chaos and cannot be joined by another IC with a different mark.

*slams books shut* Good day gentlemen

I agree with this.

You can deploy them together, however you cannot join them

Q: if one member of a unit has a melta gun, does the unit have a meltagun?
A: Yes

Ditto for Marks.

Can 2 lords with different marks join each other? NO
So its no on an unmarked unit since as soon as one joins it with a mark, the other cannot join and ignore the lords mark. Remember the different chaos gods have disdain for each other.

Another way to put it if one Ic joins a unit and he has the mark of khorne, he becomes part of that unit and therefore its a marked unit. A slannesh lord cannot join a khone marked unit.

Its simply put a NO.

So your saying the unit now has the mark of nurgle... So i can have my lord pay 5 points for MoN and have 20 T5 marines for 5 points!! awesome!

What if Abbadon is in the unit?? o.O

 jegsar wrote:
So your saying the unit now has the mark of nurgle... So i can have my lord pay 5 points for MoN and have 20 T5 marines for 5 points!! awesome!

What if Abbadon is in the unit?? o.O

That's not what we're saying. If an IC with a meltagun joins a squad, does the squad have a meltagun? Yes. Does every model in the squad have a meltagun? No. Now replace meltagun with Mark of Chaos. The unit has a Mark, but only the model with the actual Mark benefits.

I still stand by my question, if Abbadon is in a unit can another independent character join that unit.

Abaddon is an oddity, On the one hand he can join another IC. On the other hand from a strict RAW standpoint another IC cannot join him. Using the Abaddon FAQ as a precedent (as well as HIWPI) however, yes a marked IC can join Abby's unit.