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**deleted20250424**

Rainbow Dash wrote:
cause everyone has an i-pad...

Didn't you get the memo?

The surprise release this year is a Limited Edition GW branded iPad.

Features include:

Choice of Space Marine Chapter cover - All Chapters available but already sold out so default skin will be Ultramarines.
Automatic Inventory and Debit Software - Anytime there is a GW price increase, it will automatically go into your bank account and remove the difference from last year on anything you own.
Internet Filtering System - Blocks all access to non-GW related gaming sites including 3rd party bits, online hobby stores, EBay, and various forums.
GW SpellCheck - It works like normal Spellcheck, only in reverse, and actually creates misspelled words and phrases to match the hard copy rulebooks to make them look correct.
Errata Updater - Automatically downloads most current Errata release and deletes previous Errata regadless of the fact they may not contain the same information or questions.
GW Maps - GPS, Maps, and Locater will include only the location, distance, and direction to the nearest GW 1 man Store.

I could go on, but I don't want to reveal too much yet.

[Edit] I forgot the most important details, it's said to cost twice as much and be made out of Finecast to decrease weight and increase durability. They are also all autographed by Matt Ward.

**Rainbow Dash**

I liked the cursed foundings, which WD was that in

**adhuin**

-Loki- wrote:
Mantle wrote:
Maybe GW are planning on putting cards with the unit entry in to the boxes of the models themselves, like the interrogator chaplain in the DV box, means you have to buy the model to know if its any good on release

Well, there is that other game that has made this method incredibly successful. What was it? I can't quite place the name. W... Wa...

I can help you with that: Most of them.

It would be an easy way to upgrade older codexes, without printing new books.
Just make new units/characters/vehicles for them with rules included on the box/blister..

**mattyrm**

Ive got nothing but contempt for the small minority of cry babies that come on this forum and endlessly complain about everything GW, it reminds me of mewling children that are upset because they cant have all the toy they want.

That said, after just getting over a 12 month sub my missus bought me, I can heartily say that I have as much contempt for anyone that can claim with a straight face WD is actually worth reading.

The magazine is fething pump. Id rather spend 10 minutes browsing dakka than looking at the fething thing. I probably wouldn't bother with it if it was 99p an issue!

**Grimtuff**

AduroT wrote:
Grimtuff wrote:
Peregrine wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
For a year they tried to bring content back to WD.
Then people complained about splash release Codices and flyer rules.
Then GW said: "Okay, we understood: No more content."

Because their attempt at bringing back content was awful. It was an incredibly stupid idea to release new rules in a magazine that was immediately sold out and unavailable and then ignore the problem indefinitely by refusing to release a pdf version (even as a paid download) for the people who didn't buy the relevant WD as soon as it was released. And of course these aren't trivial things like new campaign missions (which would be content, but not essential), they're core units for one of the big new mechanics in 6th (flyers) or an update that instantly created a dominating tournament list (demons). Both of these are releases that you have to have if you want to play the game, and the difficulty in getting them is a nice clear statement saying "pirate our rules, don't buy the magazine".

This.

PP get round the problem of having a theme list annual roundup in certain issues of No Quarter, with every theme list from the past 12 months put in a single issue in case you missed it in the first place. They could put out PDFs, but still; they actually address the problem such things are an essential part of the game and if your players have incomplete rules they're gonna be pissed.

GW does its usual MO of sticking its head in the sand and using a bazooka to swat a fly.

EDIT: On a side note; has anyone actually witnessed the conversation between irritated parent with little Timmy in tow and GW staff member about how exactly to get the rules for his new shiny Chibi flyer? I'm picturing the results being hilarious.

IIRC all the new NQ Theme Lists are also added to Warroom automatically and are available for perusal if you've purchased the deck that includes the 'Caster that runs the Theme List.

That too (forgot that one!

). I haven't really got into War room yet (not got the cash, because I know I WILL want every deck), but I mean with NQ40 (IIRC) where they did a roundup of all of the theme lists published in NQ that year. No idea if they're going to do it this year with the advent of War room. It'll be interesting to see anyway. Esp. with how it compares to GW's actions on a similar thing that's being discussed in this very thread.

**timetowaste85**

MrMoustaffa wrote:
MajorTom11 wrote:
We are insanely against piracy here at Dakka as a matter of policy. I find it extremely sad and ironic that GW itself encourages it by leaving a lot of customers with no other option if they miss certain issues or don't have an iPad. Come on.

Just release bloody pdf's and support the consumer for the love of pete... only people who are buying or interested in buying care, why put obstacles to purchasing your own stuff in place? This really irked me about the SOB and Flyer rules. It was fantastic that they did this in WD, I think most would say it was a step in the right direction.

The proper follow up would have been to put a pdf out 3 - 4 months later.

The absolute worst follow up is to discontinue the positively received action, and then compound it with additional new negative actions in just removing all real content out of the magazine.

We went from promises of content and a step away from being just a catalogue for 10 bucks to even more of a catalogue than ever before if this is actually true.

The worst part of all this is that many people will read comments like this and call internet whining or entitlement or 'What, GW is not allowed to make money?' comments... never realizing that most of us are pissed because we wanted them to succeed and by their own definition when they relaunched, they appear to have failed. A lot of people say Dakka is full of haters... although there are plenty of those running around, I usually find Dakka is full of a lot of people who are pissed because they care about GW and how they don't live up to their legacy or potential at times in certain ways. No one is going to say the models aren't better and better every year I think. But also, no one is going to say WD is better than it was 15 years ago either.

Exalted. Put it beter than i ever could have. Its something a lot of people dont seem to understand.

For example, I downloaded a pdf of the sisters of battle white dwarf release. I absolutely hated doing it, but what else could I do? I couldn't go to the store and buy it, couldn't go online and buy it, and didnt own an aple device to get it (truth be told, i'm not even sure if you can get it there). I'm not hunting down 2 seperate white dwarf issues on ebay to see if I want to even play it or not, so i downloaded it. I have lots of friends who are musicians. Piracy is a MAJOR issue for them, and I know how bad it can be firsthand.

But its kind of hard not to when GW doesnt give you an alternative. Were a sisters of battle codex released tomorrow, i'd probably buy it (even if it was a hardback *shudders*) just because I'd like to have a legal copy of the rules. But GW doesnt seem to be interested in doing that. Shame really.

I helped somebody out with getting the daemon update, and I'll do it again. I'll also do it for the flier issue. Why? Not because I'm a jerk, but because I'm helping out those that GW punished.

**Valhalla130**

At this point, by the time I get around to modeling and painting my Storm Talon, there'll be a new codex including those rules, but I was a little miffed to see that the rules were in a WD I could not get a hold of. I found it online of course, but I don't like doing things in that fashion.

**helium42**

Kroothawk wrote:
For a year they tried to bring content back to WD.
Then people complained about splash release Codices and flyer rules.
Then GW said: "Okay, we understood: No more content."

You're not really being fair. People never complained about content being in WD. We complained when said content was not added to GW's website in the form of a PDF some time after being published in WD, like they had always done in the past.

**Rented Tritium**

helium42 wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
For a year they tried to bring content back to WD.
Then people complained about splash release Codices and flyer rules.
Then GW said: "Okay, we understood: No more content."

You're not really being fair. People never complained about content being in WD. We complained when said content was not added to GW's website in the form of a PDF some time after being published in WD, like they had always done in the past.

I agree. The problem was WD exclusive rules that didn't show up anywhere else.

As an occasional player that sometimes takes multi-month breaks, I really don't like coming back to find that there are new rules that I can't legally get.

**Sean_OBrien**

Rented Tritium wrote:
helium42 wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
For a year they tried to bring content back to WD.
Then people complained about splash release Codices and flyer rules.
Then GW said: "Okay, we understood: No more content."

You're not really being fair. People never complained about content being in WD. We complained when said content was not added to GW's website in the form of a PDF some time after being published in WD, like they had always done in the past.

I agree. The problem was WD exclusive rules that didn't show up anywhere else.

As an occasional player that sometimes takes multi-month breaks, I really don't like coming back to find that there are new rules that I can't legally get.

It also ignores GW's core business - newbies.

If someone discovers GW today and decides it would be great to have a Sister's of Battle army - they are SOL. If they want to add fliers to their army or use one of the other WD released sets of rules they either need an iPad and pay the $6 for the particular flyer update or hope that you can find a hard copy of the magazine.

Not putting the rules up on their website is just dumb. Taking actual useful information out of White Dwarf would be equally dumb though...but I have come to expect nothing less.

**Valhalla130**

Rented Tritium wrote:
helium42 wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
For a year they tried to bring content back to WD.
Then people complained about splash release Codices and flyer rules.
Then GW said: "Okay, we understood: No more content."

You're not really being fair. People never complained about content being in WD. We complained when said content was not added to GW's website in the form of a PDF some time after being published in WD, like they had always done in the past.

I agree. The problem was WD exclusive rules that didn't show up anywhere else.

As an occasional player that sometimes takes multi-month breaks, I really don't like coming back to find that there are new rules that I can't legally get.

I am the same way.

**hubcap**

This rumor seems unlikely to me. As people have said, it would mean scrapping all plans for spot releases of new units. And I'm pretty sure those releases are planned out well ahead of time. So even if they do make this change, it would take a while - they'd still want to release whatever new stuff is in the pipeline.

As far as the rest, I agree with everyone. It is ridiculous that GW does not make simple rule update PDFs available on their website, say, two months or three months after the initial release.

**Neconilis**

angryboy2k wrote:
Vaktathi wrote:

It's appears to be an issue of GW simply recording the tone of the feedback rather than the actual informational content of the feedback.

Sounds a lot like my ex-wife.

High five for this guy, that's the type of bitterness I can get behind.

**Kroothawk**

Rainbow Dash wrote:I liked the cursed foundings, which WD was that in

I would call the OCtober WD the cursed founding

helium42 wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
For a year they tried to bring content back to WD.
Then people complained about splash release Codices and flyer rules.
Then GW said: "Okay, we understood: No more content."

You're not really being fair. People never complained about content being in WD. We complained when said content was not added to GW's website in the form of a PDF some time after being published in WD, like they had always done in the past.

As I said the first time, I was misunderstood: That was sarcastic and I agree with you on the pdf thing like most people on Dakka would.

**wyomingfox**

MajorTom11 wrote:
We are insanely against piracy here at Dakka as a matter of policy. I find it extremely sad and ironic that GW itself encourages it by leaving a lot of customers with no other option if they miss certain issues or don't have an iPad. Come on.

Just release bloody pdf's and support the consumer for the love of pete... only people who are buying or interested in buying care, why put obstacles to purchasing your own stuff in place? This really irked me about the SOB and Flyer rules. It was fantastic that they did this in WD, I think most would say it was a step in the right direction.

The proper follow up would have been to put a pdf out 3 - 4 months later.

The absolute worst follow up is to discontinue the positively received action, and then compound it with additional new negative actions in just removing all real content out of the magazine.

We went from promises of content and a step away from being just a catalogue for 10 bucks to even more of a catalogue than ever before if this is actually true.

The worst part of all this is that many people will read comments like this and call internet whining or entitlement or 'What, GW is not allowed to make money?' comments... never realizing that most of us are pissed because we wanted them to succeed and by their own definition when they relaunched, they appear to have failed. A lot of people say Dakka is full of haters... although there are plenty of those running around, I usually find Dakka is full of a lot of people who are pissed because they care about GW and how they don't live up to their legacy or potential at times in certain ways. No one is going to say the models aren't better and better every year I think. But also, no one is going to say WD is better than it was 15 years ago either.

You should post this up on GW Facebook Page on the off chance some one at WD will read it before the GW Mods yank it.

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Kroothawk wrote:

75hastings69 wrote:Lol, how have they even managed to remove any content from WD? Lol, GW make me smile I swear its like they're deliberately trying to do bad things!

I'm not sure that Hastings is making any confirmations. Sounds like he is just reiterating his disgust with GW...again

.

**undertow**

pretre wrote:
Yeah, two constants: people are never happy with what GW gives them and GW never does it quite right.

I've seen people on this forum complaining about GW plastic glue. They were mad that it was too strong. GW really can't win here.

**pretre**

undertow wrote:
pretre wrote:
Yeah, two constants: people are never happy with what GW gives them and GW never does it quite right.

I've seen people on this forum complaining about GW plastic glue. They were mad that it was too strong. GW really can't win here.

You may be misunderstanding me here. I am agreeing with the fact that people will complain about anything but I'm also saying that GW makes a lot of mistakes.

**nkelsch**

pretre wrote:
You may be misunderstanding me here. I am agreeing with the fact that people will complain about anything but I'm also saying that GW makes a lot of mistakes.

Not sure how many times you have to get a fly in your soup before you simply eat at a different restaurant. People complain that they want a cleaner restaurant, but continue to come there and pay for soup. We all know the restaurant should be cleaner, but why should they when they still make money and have customers?

Complaining does nothing. Stopping the flow of money from your wallet to their pocket is the only way. You actually have to take your business elsewhere and 'go without' no matter how much you want their product.

**Medium of Death**

We can eat around the flies!

Although it's getting to the stage where there is a greater fly to soup ratio than even the most hardened fanboy could stomach.

**pretre**

Medium of Death wrote:
Although it's getting to the stage where there is a greater fly to soup ratio than even the most hardened fanboy could stomach.

If you're talking WD, yeah, I agree. GW? Nah, there's plenty of soup.

**nkelsch**

Medium of Death wrote:
We can eat around the flies!

Although it's getting to the stage where there is a greater fly to soup ratio than even the most hardened fanboy could stomach.

They will sell you a fly strainer for your soup.

But this also comes down to, they make a unit with rules only in WD... Then if the fact the units are unusable without rules, if you pirate the rules and buy 3 dakkajets, GW is still happy. They sold out their WD, they sold the models, they sold digital rules, they are insulated from the complains.

If people said 'I can't get the rules? I will stick to my principals and not buy the model' and sales for new WD flyers flopped, then there is a clear message that more accessible rules are needed to promote sales.

If it doesn't hurt, they won't learn nothin! Which is why the plastic-crack addicted complainers are being ignored as GW still got their money.

**pretre**

I think the problem is that people assume that pain will make them learn something. I don't think it ever has and I don't think it will anytime soon. They are thick.

**BrassScorpion**

The fact is that GW gets a lot of complaints, some rational and some not so much. For the most part the only thing that matters and garners a response when noticeable are changes in sales. If something adversely affects sales and profits they make a change, other less reliable indicators of customer satisfaction levels are largely ignored.

**pretre**

I understand that 'hit them in the pocketbook' is the conventional wisdom, but do we have any anecdotal evidence that that has ever worked?

**BrassScorpion**

pretre wrote:
I understand that 'hit them in the pocketbook' is the conventional wisdom, but do we have any anecdotal evidence that that has ever worked?

When the Warhammer Fortress introduced many years ago in the mid-1990s did not sell virtually at all at $110 US they dropped the price to $80 after 2 years. They also sold some of them at half price at a store sale (I bought one for $40!) to get the stock down back in the glory days when they had sales.

A friend of mine worked at GW from roughly 1993 to 2004. He used to sit in on some of the meetings that determined pricing for new products here in the US. He has said the only thing that generally factored into making changes in price was sales. General complaints without sales figures to support them were largely disregarded.

Of course, GW is a very different company now than it was even 8 or 10 years ago. It's run by different people and with quite different philosophies than it was even less than that ago. Until 2003 they had discount sales events. Until 2 or 3 years ago they used to have prize support in their stores, raffles and other giveaways. These days all of those things are gone and the cost cutting is draconian, employee cutting is harsh, and store closures if profits do not continue to rise are common. It's a whole different company under the current management.

**Azreal13**

pretre wrote:
I understand that 'hit them in the pocketbook' is the conventional wisdom, but do we have any anecdotal evidence that that has ever worked?

There doesn't need to be any evidence, it will work. When a company is as apparently closed off to feedback as they appear to be, it is categorically the only method that the consumer can employ.

When the fuel prices began to spiral, boycotts of fuel stations were organised here in the UK. Now in financial terms it probably made little impact, but it did send the message that consumers weren't happy.

Unfortunately, the behaviour of your average GW consumer does seem to show some unfortunate parallels with addictive behaviour, and as such I doubt a protest on sufficient scale could ever be sustained.

Perhaps a worldwide 24 hour boycott could send the necessary message, without forcing people to go cold turkey on their plasticrack, but I would be pessimistic about getting enough people to participate to make a difference.

**Ravenous D**

jojo_monkey_boy wrote:
Who is it that is complaining that they are actually listening to?

This is Games Workshop, a company for which, if you look, you can find someone who is complaining about any given thing they do. This complaining seemingly always goes unheeded.

And yet they choose to address this issue?

Probably has something to do with all the negative reviews they are getting in the apple book store:

"I find it extremely insulting that on top of the exorbitant price of the model, I have to pay this amount for what is essentially a set of weapon stats lines and a couple 2sentence paragraphs of special rules, If I REALLY wanted all that fluff I would buy the past issue of WD. Thanks for the blatant cash grab GW!! As always you never fail to disapoint in that area"

Im glad someone went through and got the GW employee reviews taken down, those were so transparent it hurt.

Besides that, its probably because the digital sales is one of the biggest sore spots for customers right now, there is so much negativity towards the digital stuff I'm not surprised why GW wants to stop bringing attention to it. Like how GW thinks that its perfectly reasonable for me to go get a $700 ipad, then pay $5.99 for the flyer rules, just so I have access to the dakkajet rules. I bet that goes really well when little timmy explains that to his mom when he wants to his DakkaJet.

**pretre**

BrassScorpion wrote: When the Warhammer Fortress introduced many years ago in the mid-1990s did not sell virtually at all at $110 US they dropped the price to $80 after 2 years. They also sold some of them at half price at a store sale (I bought one for $40!) to get the stock down back in the glory days when they had sales.

True. Come to think of it, I believe Dreadfleet got recalled for not selling well, right?

There doesn't need to be any evidence, it will work. When a company is as apparently closed off to feedback as they appear to be, it is categorically the only method that the consumer can employ.

When the fuel prices began to spiral, boycotts of fuel stations were organised here in the UK. Now in financial terms it probably made little impact, but it did send the message that consumers weren't happy.

Okay, so there doesn't need to be evidence and you give an example where it didn't work...

Perhaps a worldwide 24 hour boycott could send the necessary message, without forcing people to go cold turkey on their plasticrack, but I would be pessimistic about getting enough people to participate to make a difference.

If you could get everyone in the world to boycott them for 24 hours, it no doubt would work. Of course, that is an unrealistic goal.

**nkelsch**

azreal13 wrote:

Perhaps a worldwide 24 hour boycott could send the necessary message, without forcing people to go cold turkey on their plasticrack, but I would be pessimistic about getting enough people to participate to make a difference.

Boycotts are bs. Especially in GW's market where they expect customers to go long periods of time between purchasing. I collect orks so unless GW releases an ORK model, I really have nothing to buy. My lack of buying may not actually represent *anything* wrong to them. If they release new stuff for my army, it will be spending spree.

Such a 24 hour boycott does nothing. Even a month boycot does nothing,e specially since people splurge and fast already with the way they purchase models.

If someone is dissatisfied the only way to be 'heard' is to quit and go away pretty much forever and when they release that new model you want, not to buy it, not to buy it second hand, not to buy it period. Even second hand promotes sales because people buy first hand knowing they can sell it second hand. if the second hand market is gone, the first hand market begins to become impacted. If I can't sell my models to buy new stuff, then the new releases go unbought.

And this all assumes that the people complaining make up enough of a customer base to actually matter. (which they pretty much don't universally in any fandom where adults buy children's toys)

People keep buying, they have no reason to change. Complaining while forking over money does nothing.

**pretre**

@nkelsch: Yeah, most people boycott until their army book gets a new release. lol