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This was recently posted by Black Library Horus Heresy Editor Laurie Goulding over on The First Expedition. It is the official ordering of the primarch's discovery (but not the order they took control of their legions, interestingly enough).

Horus
Leman Russ
[DELETED FROM IMPERIAL RECORDS]
Ferrus Manus
Fulgrim
Vulkan
Rogal Dorn
Roboute Guilliman
Magnus the Red
Sanguinius
Lion El'Jonson
Perturabo
Mortarion
Lorgar
Jaghatai Khan
Konrad Curze
Angron
Corax
[DELETED FROM IMPERIAL RECORDS]
Alpharius

For me, the second missing primarch being found after Corax is most interesting. My guess is that this primarch died prior to being found and the Emperor could sense his death from across the galaxy. This way, he'd know that two primarchs were forever gone as of finding Corax.

The HH and the way in which they are simply never spoken of and avoided being spoke of as a plague, makes it seems they were around and did something that was such a big issue they have been forever removed.

I say all where alive and kicking when found.

 Hunterindarkness wrote:
The HH and the way in which they are simply never spoken of and avoided being spoke of as a plague, makes it seems they were around and did something that was such a big issue they have been forever removed.

I say all where alive and kicking when found.

Then how could the Emperor know that Corax was one of only 18 primarchs when he first found him, if the second missing primarch hadn't been found yet? They're referred to as the purged and the forgotten. My theory is the first one was purged, but the second one left no legacy at all. It's possible that his legion suffered a mutation and without their primarch they all died out. This almost happened with the Emperor's Children and the Thousand Sons before their primarchs were found.

He knew how many he had and how many he lost ( 20) non could ever pass as human. What he know is the other Prims seemed to have known them and that all images of them were later removed and that even speaking names of them were forbidden. Its hinted that the UM took in their legions.

The fact that we know for a fact that this order is wrong kinda highlights how poor the editorial vision is at the Black Library, lol.

How old is that list?

 Manchu wrote:
How old is that list?

It was posted earlier today. Prior to that it was for internal use only.

Have the original thread: http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_First_Expedition/ar/t136.htm

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
The fact that we know for a fact that this order is wrong kinda highlights how poor the editorial vision is at the Black Library, lol.

Eyeballing it no contradictions come to mind. Which do you see?

I may be mistaken. But I seem to remember that the Emperors children IA, Magnus was present with the Emperor on finding Fulgrim.

I may be mistaken however.

And why'd it take so long to assign any of the Primarches to their legions? The Lion shows up and the Emperor suddenly hits upon a great idea?

Also retconning it would seem on the Corax note. The second Primarch getting brushed even further under the rug by saying he was dead on arrival is tad silly. Some extrapolation would be required to explain why there isn't a memorial to him.

Ah bad writing...

 Wyrmalla wrote:
And why'd it take so long to assign any of the Primarches to their legions? The Lion shows up and the Emperor suddenly hits upon a great idea?

Also retconning it would seem on the Corax note. The second Primarch getting brushed even further under the rug by saying he was dead on arrival is tad silly. Some extrapolation would be required to explain why there isn't a memorial to him.

Ah bad writing...

Not if his legion was dead as well. It's possible that like the Thousand Sons and the Emperor's Children, something happened and the legion began to die out. Unlike those two, this legion didn't find their primarch in time to save them. You really think they'd put up a memorial to what was a colossal failure on the part of the Imperium?

...Its pulp fiction, so I guess we should be ignoring such silliness.

Neither of the missing Primarchs' legions were dead, its inferred that they just were dissembled and amalgamated into the other Legions. Ie the Word Bearers and Ultramarines swelled considerably over a short period of time randomly. That Malcador also had a hand in the issue with the two missing Primarchs' makes one of them just dying come across as a bit of a cop out.

Both of the missing Primarchs (or is it Primarches?) had plinthes that had the statues removed. Again, why make a statue to a dead guy then remove it? Plenty of others died and they still have ones. So bad writing infers that they were removed from history for a reason other than "he didn't show up to the party". =P

 Wyrmalla wrote:

Neither of the missing Primarchs' legions were dead, its inferred that they just were dissembled and amalgamated into the other Legions. Ie the Word Bearers and Ultramarines swelled considerably over a short period of time randomly.

Can't argue with the rest of your post, but ADB has gone on record several times as stating that this is not what happened to the missing legions, it is simply an idea of what might have happened to them.

That was the butthurt musing of a buttmad Word Bearer, not to be taken as empirical evidence.

Yeah I don't see any contradiction there either. I've noticed though that there's a bit of a trend, the Emperor's three "ultra-loyalists" (Vulkan, Guilliman, Dorn) were all found in a row. The two most mentally unstable Primarchs (Kurze and Angron) were also found back to back. In general, it seems for the most part traitor Primarchs were discovered later on.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
The fact that we know for a fact that this order is wrong kinda highlights how poor the editorial vision is at the Black Library, lol.

Eyeballing it no contradictions come to mind. Which do you see?

Well, the most glaring one is that in Deliverance Lost, Corax talks about how his two missing brothers had been gone before the Emperor found him.

jareddm wrote:

 Wyrmalla wrote:
And why'd it take so long to assign any of the Primarches to their legions? The Lion shows up and the Emperor suddenly hits upon a great idea?

Also retconning it would seem on the Corax note. The second Primarch getting brushed even further under the rug by saying he was dead on arrival is tad silly. Some extrapolation would be required to explain why there isn't a memorial to him.

Ah bad writing...

Not if his legion was dead as well. It's possible that like the Thousand Sons and the Emperor's Children, something happened and the legion began to die out. Unlike those two, this legion didn't find their primarch in time to save them. You really think they'd put up a memorial to what was a colossal failure on the part of the Imperium?

Ya, that's really the only logical explanation. I think they should just write the stories of what happened to those two legions though. Almost every other mystery is being revealed these days.

Be kind of interesting to hear about what times were like when it was just the Emperor, Horus and Russ. I wonder if they were close, or what they all expected from each other. I wonder if they were both with the Emperor when he found [Deleted from imperial records]. If it was anyone else aside from Russ I don't think it would be as interesting.

jareddm wrote:
This was recently posted by Black Library Horus Heresy Editor Laurie Goulding over on The First Expedition. It is the official ordering of the primarch's discovery (but not the order they took control of their legions, interestingly enough).

Horus
Leman Russ
[DELETED FROM IMPERIAL RECORDS]
Ferrus Manus
Fulgrim
Vulkan
Rogal Dorn
Roboute Guilliman
Magnus the Red
Sanguinius
Lion El'Jonson
Perturabo
Mortarion
Lorgar
Jaghatai Khan
Konrad Curze
Angron
Corax
[DELETED FROM IMPERIAL RECORDS]
Alpharius

For me, the second missing primarch being found after Corax is most interesting. My guess is that this primarch died prior to being found and the Emperor could sense his death from across the galaxy. This way, he'd know that two primarchs were forever gone as of finding Corax.

So Omegon was never found?

 Smacks wrote:
Be kind of interesting to hear about what times were like when it was just the Emperor, Horus and Russ. I wonder if they were close,

Doubt it. They all had a lot on their plate. They probably barely spoke.


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 1hadhq wrote:

jareddm wrote:
This was recently posted by Black Library Horus Heresy Editor Laurie Goulding over on The First Expedition. It is the official ordering of the primarch's discovery (but not the order they took control of their legions, interestingly enough).

Horus
Leman Russ
[DELETED FROM IMPERIAL RECORDS]
Ferrus Manus
Fulgrim
Vulkan
Rogal Dorn
Roboute Guilliman
Magnus the Red
Sanguinius
Lion El'Jonson
Perturabo
Mortarion
Lorgar
Jaghatai Khan
Konrad Curze
Angron
Corax
[DELETED FROM IMPERIAL RECORDS]
Alpharius

For me, the second missing primarch being found after Corax is most interesting. My guess is that this primarch died prior to being found and the Emperor could sense his death from across the galaxy. This way, he'd know that two primarchs were forever gone as of finding Corax.

So Omegon was never found?

He was but The Emperor kept that on the down low on their request. (Either that or [deleted from Imperial records is Omegon])

Wow, people are still guessing about missing primarchs??? WOW
Guys there are NONE because in the history of GW there hasn't been anything writen about them except teasers.....(to quote ADB)
I' mean theories about mp should really go under fan fiction....

The Emperor didn't know about Omegon, cause Alpharius and Omegon had the same sentience, so only one was present in the Warp.

I think it's impressive that Roboute was found so late, yet did so much.
I guess, considering the old fluff of the Space Wolves having conquered the most planets (although that now being the Luna Wolves and Ultramarines), Russ being found 2nd makes sense.

Wasn't it near-outright stated in Prospero Burns that the Space Wolves annihilated one of the two missing legions on the Emperor's orders, hence their role as his executioner?

^ Dude don't even go there...IMHO like @Garvy said, teasers are teasers (like that theory that UM absorbed one), and people can use them under the fan fiction section...

 Eetion wrote:
I may be mistaken. But I seem to remember that the Emperors children IA, Magnus was present with the Emperor on finding Fulgrim.

I may be mistaken however.

I checked the article just now, and did not find a mention of other Primarchs being present with the Emperor when Fulgrim was found.

 Just Dave wrote:
I think it's impressive that Roboute was found so late, yet did so much.
I guess, considering the old fluff of the Space Wolves having conquered the most planets (although that now being the Luna Wolves and Ultramarines), Russ being found 2nd makes sense.

The fluff has always been a little contradictory about which Legion was "most successful" "captured the most worlds" "had the most victories".

Enough that you'll have the fanboys who aren't very well read on older fluff stamping their feet saying "No, it was my Legion that was bestestist!", not realizing that in the old days, what was written in one book was just as often contradicted in at least two others. Especially on anything having to do with the Great Crusade or the Horus Heresy. This was possibly even by design.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:

 Just Dave wrote:
I think it's impressive that Roboute was found so late, yet did so much.
I guess, considering the old fluff of the Space Wolves having conquered the most planets (although that now being the Luna Wolves and Ultramarines), Russ being found 2nd makes sense.

The fluff has always been a little contradictory about which Legion was "most successful" "captured the most worlds" "had the most victories".

Enough that you'll have the fanboys who aren't very well read on older fluff stamping their feet saying "No, it was my Legion that was bestestist!", not realizing that in the old days, what was written in one book was just as often contradicted in at least two others. Especially on anything having to do with the Great Crusade or the Horus Heresy. This was possibly even by design.

I - like many others I suspect - generally take the newest version of contradictory fluff as [my] canon. The Horus Heresy books are changing things and I'm fine with that, so for me its Luna Wolves, then Ultramarines, then Space Wolves.

Heh, I'm not saying many or most or all.


All it takes is a handful of the fanboys to pipe up. Honestly, it's the Dark Angels and Luna Wolves guys that are the worst, typically.


That said, I'm just saying that the people complaining the loudest about these "changes" to the fluff don't actually know the old fluff very well at all.

BlaxicanX wrote:
Wasn't it near-outright stated in Prospero Burns that the Space Wolves annihilated one of the two missing legions on the Emperor's orders, hence their role as his executioner?

It wasn't outright. It was hinted at....but a third party iirc. It's about as reliable as getting the info from a guardsman stationed on a hiveworld in the most backwoods part of the galaxy.