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 judgedoug wrote:

 scarletsquig wrote:
Really think they should have left the Deadzone retail release until February, as originally planned.

KS backers have got to come first. no exceptions.

I agree, especially with the retailers who pledged in the Kickstarter to help fund the game... the backers and those backer retailers should have gotten their stuff, and gotten problems worked out.

Mantic may have wanted the Christmas cash, but honestly, would that have been better than 99.9% great opinions and excellent word of mouth from pampered backers by the time February retail release rolled around? As it stands it seems very few people are totally satisfied. (I'm pretty much fine, just had a wrong AW resin terrain bundle... but imagine if everyone here felt like me)

It is a questionable business decision to put kickstarter backers second in line. To me it could signal that they are critically short on cash, and thus want to sell the models to retail first. However, they could have other motives. They could be trying to support FLGS. They could also just be trying to maximize profit in the sort term.

I certainly wish Mantic well. Hopefully things will start to click for them. Their supply issues are not nearly as bad as x-wing for example. Even GW has been having some supply issues. Their plastic terrain for deadzone is functional. Hopefully, new plastic minis, with good sculpts and detail, will follow.

 spaceelf wrote:
It is a questionable business decision to put kickstarter backers second in line. To me it could signal that they are critically short on cash, and thus want to sell the models to retail first. However, they could have other motives. They could be trying to support FLGS. They could also just be trying to maximize profit in the sort term.

I certainly wish Mantic well. Hopefully things will start to click for them. Their supply issues are not nearly as bad as x-wing for example. Even GW has been having some supply issues. Their plastic terrain for deadzone is functional. Hopefully, new plastic minis, with good sculpts and detail, will follow.

Or those retail orders could have been placed before and were already allocated so could not be re-allocated to KS backers.

 scarletsquig wrote:
@squall: They are changing their methods.

@SS How are they changing their methods? I am sincerely asking here. Because they used to have pretty good customer service from what I saw, and now that they have had some success, it is going downhill. What are they doing to their methods to fix this?


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 pretre wrote:

 spaceelf wrote:
It is a questionable business decision to put kickstarter backers second in line. To me it could signal that they are critically short on cash, and thus want to sell the models to retail first. However, they could have other motives. They could be trying to support FLGS. They could also just be trying to maximize profit in the sort term.

I certainly wish Mantic well. Hopefully things will start to click for them. Their supply issues are not nearly as bad as x-wing for example. Even GW has been having some supply issues. Their plastic terrain for deadzone is functional. Hopefully, new plastic minis, with good sculpts and detail, will follow.

Or those retail orders could have been placed before and were already allocated so could not be re-allocated to KS backers.

I would assume this was probably the case.

^ Next month's KoW dwarf release is cancelled, delayed by a month while they sort out their backlog.

It's possible that a full 2-week holiday over xmas is too much to get away with, for a company that has so much going on.

And February has Chinese new year, so that's another 2 weeks of holdup from a production perspective.

Well that is good to hear.

 RiTides wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
the theme I was going for was a bunch of dirty brown and orange goblins running across a bright green grassy flowery field.

It's a crappy pic, I need to take some nicer pictures of the army.

That's a sweet pic, at least for conveying the massive feel of the army! Thank you very much for posting it

No problem! The goblins actually look good when block painted and army painter dipped - the dip accentuates the details as the actual models have pretty soft details. Note this is only for the plastics... the metals and the new fleabag riders are great. I firmly believe Mantic should revisit the goblins and produce a 5-gobbo sprue with 8-10 head options, 5 quivers, 5 bow arms, 5 spear arms, 5 sword arms, 5 shields, a horn and a banner. They'd sell buckets of them as they are great designs.

Mantic Digital is now live (doesn't work in anything other than Chrome):

http://www.manticdigital.com/auth/login

20% off discount coupon for the DB compendium for DB KS backers.

The compendium is $40, mind.

Well the only thing we really have to do is wait til the end of the week for the big Deadzone update and then the first weeks of February for people to get their missing stuff. If the second survey closes at the end of March then backers should have plenty of time to figure out what more support (if any) to send to Mantic. They really need to show hard plastic stuff.

There's an IMPORTANT Dreadball KS updare just gone out, giving KS backers a 20% discount on the new Compendium which also has the Azure FOrest stuff in (so well done Mantic for giving us stuff we certainly weren't entitled to)


Update

TLR - The deadline for the Missing Bits survey is Friday 31st January and we will then process them; Mantic Digital launches 5 DreadBall titles!


Good news - the Galactic Tour Series: Azure Forest pack is now shipping from the warehouse! Didn't pre-order it? Well you can order it from the store using the link above!

Missing Bits survey
The 31st January is the deadline for the missing bits survey – if you are missing anything from your Kickstarter package, please fill out this form and let us know before Friday.

Next week we will download the forms and send an email to everyone who has submitted a form to say that we have received it.


We will then sort through them and dispatch the components as quickly as we can – please keep an eye on the Kickstarter Updates for all the information as it becomes available.

This will allow us to best manage the process and ensure everyone gets his or her stuff after the crazy Christmas period. Thanks for your patience whilst we deal with this in an efficient manner.

Manticdigital.com is live!
It was only a couple of weeks ago when we first spoke about Mantic Digital on our blog – and today it’s released!


Yep, Mantic Digital is now open to all and rather than regurgitate information, you can read all about it on our blog here.

In case you were wondering why this update was only visible to backers, it’s because all of you can use the following code to get 20% off the DreadBall Compendium (which already includes the Forest Pack and Playbook free!) to say thank you for your support:

Kickstarter code: (Sorry I've redacted this but is you're a backer check on KS)

We really do appreciate it and we hope you like the book!

Please note that the Playbook will be available at a later date as we need to finish tinkering with it - please also not that Mantic Digital does not currently support Firefox or IE because of certain functionality (we're working on an interface), we recommend using Google Chrome or Safari.

There you are guys and gals - let us know what you think about Mantic Digital and the new Compendium and we'll see you on the other side!

How much is the compendium in the first place? Cleverly, the site isn't Firefox (or IE) compatible.

Edit: Oh, SS did say.

I can't get the site to work, even using Chrome.

Anyone having better luck?

I logged in once, now it just keeps redirecting me to a "send auth code again" page whenever I try to go on the site, despite my account already being activated.

I was able to in Chrome when I first got the email. I'm guessing the site is now being bombarded with a thousand people checking it out

so.. if I have issues with the Dreadball Kickstarter team, and a second issue with Deadzone Rebels.. I should fill out 2 separate missing item forms?

On top of the 3 forms I already did for them?

 porkuslime wrote:
so.. if I have issues with the Dreadball Kickstarter team, and a second issue with Deadzone Rebels.. I should fill out 2 separate missing item forms?

On top of the 3 forms I already did for them?

Probably for the best to use the official missing item forms, even if you have already sent email. If you used the contact form on their site there's no guarantee of that working out.

When people have online reviews of the digital products, please let us know! I am not sure what more than I need or how this is different that the digital books I got with my KS. I am curious to the whole thing.

nkelsch wrote:
When people have online reviews of the digital products, please let us know! I am not sure what more than I need or how this is different that the digital books I got with my KS. I am curious to the whole thing.

I think these are all-singing, all-dancing versions with interactive... stuff. Maybe. As opposed to just a pdf.

 scarletsquig wrote:
^ The $200 hardback book reward *always* counted post-survey cash.

It was the $300+ ones that did not count post-survey cash.

Whoops. Sorry for the error.

I'm not a fan of the "reward doesn't count survey cash" thing anyway. They'd have gotten a lot more money out of me on the next DZ survey if they'd just scrapped the whole survey limitation on the big spender rewards, I'd have raised from $250 to $400.

I'm inclined to agree, although I can understand the rationale behind making such offers exclusive during campaigns. It's a good question as to whether the present policy hurts or benefits Mantic more. If I were them, I'd experiment by having one of their upcoming kickstarters like Dreadball EX have all rewards count money that's added on the survey after the campaign. Then they could review the results and at least make an informed decision about "during the campaign only" pledge bonuses.

I guess they're just super-keen to pay the 5% KS fee that they don't have to pay on survey income. :p

You'd think kickstarter would have a policy about this, to keep all campaigns from moving bonuses to surveys and dodging their fee?

 Vermonter wrote:

You'd think kickstarter would have a policy about this, to keep all campaigns from moving bonuses to surveys and dodging their fee?

There would be no way to enforce it.

A little behind.............

The Blaine picture was just off the google and was the first pic I found. Yikes, shouldn't have chosen that one.

As for mold lines, I've done my whole strike team except for Wrath and none of them were difficult to clean. Some of them had more lines than others, but a sharp X-acto knife was more than enough to handle them.

I think the whole 'oh no mold lines' thing is a bit over done. I spent about as much time cleaning mold lines off of individual restic minis as I did cleaning mold lines off my Firestorm Redoubt and Vengeance Weapons Batteries (both Plastic kits).

I actually wouldn't call the pic you posted all that bad as mouldlines go. As I said before, most if not all of my Sedition Wars human figures have flash that bad or worse. At least with Deadzone you don;t have many figures to clean to have a field-able force. Just model-wise, I wish I had all the money back from SedWars to spend on Deadzone figures instead.

 AegisGrimm wrote:
I actually wouldn't call the pic you posted all that bad as mouldlines go. As I said before, most if not all of my Sedition Wars human figures have flash that bad or worse.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement

 scarletsquig wrote:
@squall: They are changing their methods.

Mars Attacks had its estimated delivery date set 2 months ahead of when they expected to be done with it.

DKH 4 is on hold. Warpath is on hold until quality hard plastic has shipped and feedback has come back positive.

The planned dwarf release for next month is now delayed to March/April so they can catch up on other stuff.

And yet they have timed it so MA and DZ surveys are out at the same time (both of which are asking us to commit to buying items they can't yet show) and they will be running the next DreadBall KS while folks still have issues from the previous DreadBall deliveries.

No, they really are not learning the correct lessons.

On the topic of defending Mantics just send it out minus the stuff we ran out of policy, I notice the packing slips include the missing items and Mantic were "suprised" to hear I didn't receive my complete order.
If they had known they'd run out that just seems disingenuous. Oh it's not there, damn, we were hoping you wouldn't notice, oh well sorry, we actually ran out, let us know what's missing and we'll send it out ASAP (three months).

Joyboozer wrote:
On the topic of defending Mantics just send it out minus the stuff we ran out of policy, I notice the packing slips include the missing items and Mantic were "suprised" to hear I didn't receive my complete order.
If they had known they'd run out that just seems disingenuous. Oh it's not there, damn, we were hoping you wouldn't notice, oh well sorry, we actually ran out, let us know what's missing and we'll send it out ASAP (three months).

You're assuming that they were actually paying attention when they were throwing unmarked bags of resin minis into your box....

*Restic, not resin, according to internet parlance... let's not muddy the waters here

So, um...

Basically the manticdigital stuff is pretty pointless at the moment for kickstarter backers who already have the ebooks? Aside from the live updates thing.

So, the real thing we're looking for is the 'Dreadball Playbook' which isn't really described at the moment, and is only the first of a series of apps, so it's probably a better idea to wait for them to be bundled together?

I thought the new digital stuff let you click rules to jumpto/popup a definition and stuff like that.. am I incorrect?

Not to beat a dead horse, but boy am I waiting to see any pictures of the stuff that is new to the Deadzone second survey. Otherwise known as the stuff guys like me have made sure to have money available for.

I see I'm not the only one who's been hoarding pennies in the hopes of wasting them on more toy soldiers and ruined buildings.

I'm honestly really curious to see those Asterians, which was the faction I was least interested in last year.

That and the Enforcer lady on the bike, who we've not seen hide nor hair of... well, ever. Not even concept art, as far as I can remember!

Has there been pics of the ruined building sprues? Its not just the regular ones but in restic rather than plastic?

 CptJake wrote:


And yet they have timed it so MA and DZ surveys are out at the same time (both of which are asking us to commit to buying items they can't yet show) and they will be running the next DreadBall KS while folks still have issues from the previous DreadBall deliveries.

No, they really are not learning the correct lessons.

Pretty sure I've read that the Mars Attacks! survey came out yesterday, needs to be ccompleted by February 14 and is being charged end of February, whereas the 2nd Deadzone survey is coming out end of this week, but doesn't need to be completed and isn't being charged for months, to give them enough time to finish providing photos of everything we haven't seen yet.


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 AegisGrimm wrote:
Not to beat a dead horse, but boy am I waiting to see any pictures of the stuff that is new to the Deadzone second survey. Otherwise known as the stuff guys like me have made sure to have money available for.

They promised all remaining wip pictures same day as the survey is opened at the very least, and with ages to fill it out they've given themselves enough time to get photos of test runs out for all to see, or hoist themselves on their own petard


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Joyboozer wrote:
Has there been pics of the ruined building sprues? Its not just the regular ones but in restic rather than plastic?

There was a pic of the production masters or test run of the ruined tiles posted on facebook some weeks ago iirc, it was definitely in this thread