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So remember kids:

Real Estate/Stocks: Buy Low. Sell High
Weight Loss: Calories Burned > Calories Taken In
Drawing: Start Basic Shapes. Fill in With Da Vinci level skill.
Restic Mold Lines: Make perfect, delicate microscopic slices on restic in fine details on faces, weapons, and other important bits. Don't scrape.

Life am easy

privateer4hire wrote:
So remember kids:

Real Estate/Stocks: Buy Low. Sell High
Weight Loss: Calories Burned > Calories Taken In
Drawing: Start Basic Shapes. Fill in With Da Vinci level skill.
Restic Mold Lines: Make perfect, delicate microscopic slices on restic in fine details on faces, weapons, and other important bits. Don't scrape.

Life am easy

Don't forget to add in 'Use the hot water treatment to align up the parts and close the 4mm gaps in your fresh mold line removed pieces'.

You guys forgot the step where you go to the emergency room for loss of blood and multiple self- inflicted lacerations to the hands (and possibly legs if you're clumsy).

Nah, that is what super glue is for.

Surely you mean glue up any injuries with superglue?
and I've been ninja'd! Damn restic related injuries slowed me down!

Hope this works.

Hi folks,

Sadly, my precognitive powers aren't as shabby as we'd hoped. Maybe I should change my name to Stormcrow.

I just got this email from James:

"The survey should make everything clear, but just for the record it’s standard sprueless plastic, a.k.a. restic, a.k.a. PVC plastic.
Cheers!
James"

Doing the Mechs in resin would have been excellent (and would have been my preference too), but it never made practical sense to me.

Doing a discounted bundle offer on all the restic Mechs, on the other hand, would make a lot of sense. I hope to see one.

Love the tune in that video, the models aren't bad either. Tho they don't look like plastic multi part kits to me.

 Vermonter wrote:
Hi folks,

Sadly, my precognitive powers aren't as shabby as we'd hoped. Maybe I should change my name to Stormcrow.

I just got this email from James:

"The survey should make everything clear, but just for the record it’s standard sprueless plastic, a.k.a. restic, a.k.a. PVC plastic.
Cheers!
James"

Doing the Mechs in resin would have been excellent (and would have been my preference too), but it never made practical sense to me.

Doing a discounted bundle offer on all the restic Mechs, on the other hand, would make a lot of sense. I hope to see one.

That's some bad news, as well as yet another WTF?!? moment for Mantic.

Still, better to know now, and save some money and heartache later!

 Alpharius wrote:

 Vermonter wrote:
Hi folks,

Sadly, my precognitive powers aren't as shabby as we'd hoped. Maybe I should change my name to Stormcrow.

I just got this email from James:

"The survey should make everything clear, but just for the record it’s standard sprueless plastic, a.k.a. restic, a.k.a. PVC plastic.
Cheers!
James"

Doing the Mechs in resin would have been excellent (and would have been my preference too), but it never made practical sense to me.

Doing a discounted bundle offer on all the restic Mechs, on the other hand, would make a lot of sense. I hope to see one.

That's some bad news, as well as yet another WTF?!? moment for Mantic.

Still, better to know now, and save some money and heartache later!

Which means they'll be metal by the time we get them.

I don't remember but do those models differ from the original concept some what?

I remember liking them a little more when I first saw them than I do now. Could just be time has passed and excitement has died down. Not sure.

@edlowe, I dunno, the legs at least look like ball-joints to me.

@carlos13th no I kind of agree. These Cyphers seem I dunno.. its not chunkier... maybe they're gangly or just a bit awkward-tall/skinny.

The models seem a bit more lanky than graceful atm, or maybe just built to an alien aesthetic I guess.

I'm a little off on the size of the models too. If those disks under them are meant to the the 15mm or so integrated bases these guys are tiny, if those are meant to be 25mm standard bases.. I sure hope they leave the integrated bases off, otherwise I fear a lot of overhang and or platforms.

I mean these are really just poses... those digital sculpts can be moved around a bit before they're finalized and the molds are made.

On the whole Resin thing.. Wtf seriously? I still stand by the urban iron ancestor having an upgrade kit and that meaning he should cost more... but if they're going to be in restic... I may just stick with my two big mechs and fish around for a FFIA on ebay or the discount sites and convert it. May get the goblin walker though as I've not got another way to approximate it easily.

Well that's disappointing to hear but not wholly unexpected. I hope they let people who picked them in the first survey drop/change them if that's the case as they paid for resin. $20 is expensive for Restic the Dreadball mech was $12 KS price (it's $20 full retail price)and the only difference between it and the Strider is the gun - that's an $8 gun

Speaking of swaps I ordered and paid for a few individual miniatures (like the enforcer medic and cypher prime) that hopefully will be made in hard plastic but will be combined with other minis I wonder how they'll deal with allowing credit for money already paid for these miniatures gievn the survey is fairly basic and isn't really tailored to individual backers orders.

I'm bad at finding things I remember, but I coulda sworn they said the striders would be somewhat larger, and the gun or chainsaw/flamer arms. Still, can probably get them for a similar price retail soo... I may wait for more monies.

 DaveC wrote:
Well that's disappointing to hear but not wholly unexpected. I hope they let people who picked them in the first survey drop/change them if that's the case as they paid for resin. $20 is expensive for Restic the Dreadball mech was $12 KS price (it's $20 full retail price)and the only difference between it and the Strider is the gun - that's an $8 gun

Agreed!

It seems a bit "bait and switch" right now...

 AegisGrimm wrote:
A little behind.............

The Blaine picture was just off the google and was the first pic I found. Yikes, shouldn't have chosen that one.

As for mold lines, I've done my whole strike team except for Wrath and none of them were difficult to clean. Some of them had more lines than others, but a sharp X-acto knife was more than enough to handle them.

I think the whole 'oh no mold lines' thing is a bit over done. I spent about as much time cleaning mold lines off of individual restic minis as I did cleaning mold lines off my Firestorm Redoubt and Vengeance Weapons Batteries (both Plastic kits).

I actually wouldn't call the pic you posted all that bad as mouldlines go. As I said before, most if not all of my Sedition Wars human figures have flash that bad or worse. At least with Deadzone you don;t have many figures to clean to have a field-able force. Just model-wise, I wish I had all the money back from SedWars to spend on Deadzone figures instead.

Perhaps the words you're looking for are bad and worse, then? Blaine is bad. Many of us have decades of experience that says so.

Over the past couple of nights, I've gone back to assembling my dreadball season 3 models, since my deadzone is pretty much done.

To be honest, the only ones that have been a bit pants was a couple of the light grey restic models. The rest have gone together pretty perfectly. And I'm certain my Blaine had no issues like that.

I was starting to feel a bit negative towards Mantic with the whole general pantsness that digital books have been, plus a couple of deadzone models with awful lines (components of my plague boosters).

But honestly, tonight, and looking back at the sheer volume of my deadzone minis. Things have been pretty much fine. - I haven't even stabbed myself once!

To be honest, I've had more trouble cleaning up my Dropzone Commander resin minis in the last week or so.

The Deadzone mechs are considerably larger than the Dreadball ones, right?

I swear I read that but its too hard to find stuff like that on my phone for me to confirm..

I hate to say it, but the Asterians as shown in the video are not doing it for me. My general impression is that their features have perhaps been exaggerated a little, but whether the design has been changed or not, the net impact these figures have on me is boredom. Mantic's Forge Fathers look better than GW's Squats ever did, but that isn't the case here. The Asterian cyphers aren't as well-designed or elegant or inventive or original as their parents the Eldar were, nor is their aesthetic different enough to be interesting in its own right. They're far from terrible, but they are dull.

I may change my mind if the Asterians go through significant revision (I'm not counting on it), but as of now I'm switching my free faction over to the Forge Fathers (which so far look great).

Those feet on the Asterians look kindof... imposing. I definitely would not like to stand at the urinal next to one of those guys.

I was under the impression that the Asterian force was 99% remote controlled robots.

 Azazelx wrote:

 AegisGrimm wrote:
A little behind.............

The Blaine picture was just off the google and was the first pic I found. Yikes, shouldn't have chosen that one.

As for mold lines, I've done my whole strike team except for Wrath and none of them were difficult to clean. Some of them had more lines than others, but a sharp X-acto knife was more than enough to handle them.

I think the whole 'oh no mold lines' thing is a bit over done. I spent about as much time cleaning mold lines off of individual restic minis as I did cleaning mold lines off my Firestorm Redoubt and Vengeance Weapons Batteries (both Plastic kits).

I actually wouldn't call the pic you posted all that bad as mouldlines go. As I said before, most if not all of my Sedition Wars human figures have flash that bad or worse. At least with Deadzone you don;t have many figures to clean to have a field-able force. Just model-wise, I wish I had all the money back from SedWars to spend on Deadzone figures instead.

Perhaps the words you're looking for are bad and worse, then? Blaine is bad. Many of us have decades of experience that says so.

Oh, believe me, I have 20 years in the hobby. I would rather clean metal models than (at least some) of the restic I have had in my hands so far.


As for the mechs, I can't get behind it being a "bait and switch" just so Mantic can make money. I think it was more of a wording issue, because while "restic" or "resin plastic" is a commonly held unique medium, it's still a kind of resin- just not what we associate with the term. At least by using the Iron Ancestor as a gauge, the DZ one is no more expensive than the one for Warpath, if you go by true retail off Mantic's site rather than internet discount.

They are purely optional, and I would gladly pay $20 retail as opposed to a discounted $16.99 for an advance copy of a figure (because who knows when they will be released outside of the KS). It's three dollars, people. That's less than the shipping on an existing $16.99 Iron Ancestor from The Warstore, even with Neal's awesome shipping rates.

Plus the conversion kit. I realize this one doesn't have two guns, but a new weapon arm and backpack seems roughly equivalent to the DoomStorm, and that kit costs more than the standard IA.

I'll have to see what this guy looks like before I put in an order for him. I'm somewhat likely to stick with my big mechs unless the striders are 50% bigger. Even if they're 16-20% larger it really isn't enough, I'll be weaponizing the two mechs I already have.

Getting anxious to hear about the hard plastic, I would much love to get some not-terminators and completely obsolete that last bastion of my interest in my space marine collection.

Oh, and just a comment about the mantic digital stuff...

I got the Dreadball Compendium. It works great in my browser, and is actually really really cool with the way everything links together and easy access to rules, but the kindle version has a lot of issues... I'm not using an actual kindle, though, merely the kindle app on my android phone.

I'll check the epub version next, see if thats ok.

Cool thanks for the report! So it is the case that you can click rules when mentioned in the text to get the definition? Is it a pop up or a page flip? Definitely interested in getting the kings of war book (surely its slotted for sooner or later) in this manner.

Thanks for that, Saxon, those look amazing. Really pleased with them.

I'd imagine the commander on the rubble base will be restic, as will the jetbike... the rest look like they could easily be hard plastic though.

I'll rip some images out of the video for convenience, the video is pretty cool though, it's like watching the credits on a 90's video game:

 GrimDork wrote:
Two weeks? We take off almost three months.


Of course... we do landscaping... and nobody seems to call when there's snow on the ground. So maybe not the same thing

While we're on the topic of Mantic Digital, has anyone read the Blood stone of uhh... whatsit, or checked out the art book for KoW? Either of them worth getting?

Haven't read the Bloodstone thing, because I have little to no interest in fanfic or pulp fantasy fiction. The Art book isn't worthwhile though.


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 scarletsquig wrote:
Warpath will be Mantic's "Reaper Bones" level KS if they do it right.
There is a huge amount of demand for high quality, low priced sci-fi miniatures that just isn't being met currently.

With individuals' personal aesthetic preferences as the only "x-factor", Dreamforge's Eisenkern beat anything Mantic has done on a technical level (and is likely to do for some time at best) while being very reasonably priced. It just depends on if the end user like/can handle the Neo-WW2-Wehrmacht look and feel of them.


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 timetowaste85 wrote:

 agnosto wrote:
You have it all wrong; they're not averse to changing things at the last minute when it saves them money. This wouldn't so they won't.

Right-like the KoW screwup with ogre prices where they offered to give more free if you emailed them. Or when they didn't have hard plastic enforcers ready to send out for deadzone, so they gave extra restic enforcers so people didn't have to wait-people are still getting extra enforcers when the correct ones come. There is another example that's eluding me at the moment...but they have. Multiple times.

Those examples are called damage control.

^ I prefer hard sci-fi and dislike "fantasy/historical in space", from that perspective the asterians are far more interesting to me than nazis/ russians/ americans in space (has already been done to death by so many different companies)... it just feels right that the most advanced faction in the game would use AI drones for the bulk of their combat forces.

If those Asterians are in fact hard plastic, and not restic in tons of separate thin and fiddly horribly warped pieces with double mould lines.. the I will be very happy indeed.

I'm at the point where I would seriously just be okay with mantic raising its prices on hard plastic to the same as its restic minis, if that's what it takes to get them tooled properly. £20 for 20 would be totally fine with me for multipart kits with lots of components, options and brilliant detail.

 agnosto wrote:

Still waiting on my free ogres or even for the shooters I paid for. They sent me the melee ogres I paid for but no extras and none of the shooters I paid for. Email back and forth, blah blah blah... nothing. .but that was, what? 3 Kickstarters ago? Who's to expect them to take care if that now? That's not even mentioning the missing freebies (riders with no horses ).

Bah. Sure give me "free" stuff instead of what I paid for.

Basically you need to ring them. That's the only way I managed to get the clusterfeth of messups in my KoW KS order fixed. And it took more than 1 phone call over more than 1 week, too. It sucks, but it's the way I got them to fix it after getting dicked around for weeks at a time via email. There's your solution. Don't expect them to fix it by themselves at this point.