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I know opinions vary on BoW videos but they are informative for the most part - I always find them entertaining if nothing else - whether they might be a bit too pro whatever company there's still a lot of actual information in them - here's another one on terrain building (1 hour long)
It includes the ruined terrain sprue.
James also mentions the possiblity of an industrial terrain set with machinery.
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That zombie looks great, glad I went in for 80... so far. The solo play / large board rules with zombie hordes (basically 4th gens?) could be a lot of fun!
I realize the BoW - Mantic stuff is some form of advertainment, but I do enjoy them. Dreadball Academy sold me on Dreadball and I love it to bits now. Been enjoying their Deadzone stuff just as much and hope it continues, even if James heads off.
Still waiting to submit my DZ Wave 2 survey since we have so much time, may as well get more info before finalising.
You can 'finalize' your survey multiple times, in case you change your mind, find more money, lose more money, see something you like and want to add, see something you don't like and want to drop, etc.
I think I'm guilty of that one, at least for deadzone :p
Dreadball academy is about to sell me on DB too =/ It looks so fun with the ball bouncing all over the place and so on. May have to back Xtreme.
I realize we all figured this out a couple of months ago, but I'm late to the party so there. They definitely 100% do not give you enough connectors. The dollar value to add more isn't so much of an issue as the wait to get them in. I could get them cheap on the survey but wait forever, or buy them not-as-cheap now and either pay shipping or accrue yet more manticware to clutter my shelves and mitigate shipping costs. But until I get more, I don't see myself getting through more than 6-8 of my 12 battlezones, even using every strut/whatever/lamp post they sent me.
It's possible to make your connectors last by being pretty ruthless with them and using the lamp post / buttress type ones whenever you can when they're out of sight.
It's also possible to do get away with only doing 1 connector per side, or less sometimes. I try to go for managing a maximum distance possible between my connectors. - So one on the far right of the top side, for example. Then just another one on the bottom of the left side.
James did mention in that video that they've tweaked the set contents for the standard retail releases to have more connectors in them.
It would sure be nice if that 'tweak' was applied to stuff coming in the second wave.
Seriously.
I think every pledge that came with the base game should include an extra set or two as thanks. Especially those of us with all kinds of fun missing bits.
I've been looking at my dwindling supply of connectors, and I've got nowhere near as many battlezones as GrimDork does. Be nice if they'd included just a bit more.
Poorly lit photos of my ever- growing collection of completely unrelated models!
Yeah, definitely a mistake made somewhere, whether on purpose or not, I don't really care, just stinky.
I'm going for maximum durability for my stuff so I'm splurging on the connectors. I want to build as much terrain as I can but Intend to build some pretty tall structures and don't want to see them come crashing down. Wish there was something else I wanted from the mantic webstore, I really don't want to pay shipping for connectors but I just can't justify buying any more models at the moment :p
If you ask me, the connector sprue bundle deal was priced apologetically low on the survey. I think they're half the price you pay on the webstore? Still, I'd have preferred even to pay more per battlezone and have had them included in the initial shipment than this blerggahkfuzz...
I will say, and I consider the GW cities of death terrain to be pretty damn nice (especially before the price hike!) that I like battle systems more. If you disregard the general not-enoughness of them, the clip system is awesome. Even if you glue them, they're easier to work with than gluing all of those gw tiles by hand. The gw stuff isn't a bad product by any means, but I definitely like working with these more. And since I am clipping... I can disassemble my structures in the future, and try something new. To that regard, I have to admit that I consider the connectors to be expendable, and while I'll be able to salvage some, many will die in the process of a fully building tear-down or overhaul. I'm gonna get a bunch extra on the survey so I've got a stockpile for future me.
This is for a permanent solution though, correct? Or have you successfully broken the hot glue beads with no ill effect on the tiles?
Dear god.. You may have done it. That may well be the answer for semi-permanent buildings. Hell, you could even paint the hot glue bead like a welding seam...
So tell me, have you broken one apart to see if both tiles were fully salvageable? I may have to try that, this could be perfect. I love hot glue anyway.
Yeah, little square subunits you can side-by side or stack. Gonna experiment with those after I get a few of the bigger pieces I've been planning out of the way.
GrimDork wrote: Dreadball academy is about to sell me on DB too =/ It looks so fun with the ball bouncing all over the place and so on. May have to back Xtreme.
After the Deadzone KS I looked into other Mantic stuff and saw the Dreadball Academy which instantly sold me on it, was a great series.
It would sure be nice if that 'tweak' was applied to stuff coming in the second wave.
Seriously.
I think every pledge that came with the base game should include an extra set or two as thanks. Especially those of us with all kinds of fun missing bits.
I've been looking at my dwindling supply of connectors, and I've got nowhere near as many battlezones as GrimDork does. Be nice if they'd included just a bit more.
I agree 100%.
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the reason we all didn't have enough connectors in the KS was because they gave us extra free wall sprues, right?
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No. I don't think we even got that many free walls extra, and in any case, connectors supplied currently cover about half a battlezone, rather than a whole one. That's not explained by a few extra wall panels even if it would play a small part.
GrimDork wrote: Yeah, little square subunits you can side-by side or stack. Gonna experiment with those after I get a few of the bigger pieces I've been planning out of the way.
I made a bunch of modular cubes but connectors were a definite issue.
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Bolognesus wrote: No. I don't think we even got that many free walls extra, and in any case, connectors supplied currently cover about half a battlezone, rather than a whole one. That's not explained by a few extra wall panels even if it would play a small part.
Ah, I just went and looked at my pledge on the Kickstarter, the $150 one, comes with 11 extra scenery sprues.
edit - just quick browsed through the stretch goals and I saw at least three that added more scenery sprues for free but no mention of extra free connector sprues
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Azazelx wrote: So.. MA will be shipping in one wave, and before DZ Wave 2? Is that correct?
They take our money for the second DZ survey as late as possible at end of May, and MA is meant to ship in August, is the closest I can find without trawling through the comments. I did think that MA was coming after DZ wave 2 though for some reason.
Bolognesus wrote: No. I don't think we even got that many free walls extra, and in any case, connectors supplied currently cover about half a battlezone, rather than a whole one. That's not explained by a few extra wall panels even if it would play a small part.
Ah, I just went and looked at my pledge on the Kickstarter, the $150 one, comes with 11 extra scenery sprues.
edit - just quick browsed through the stretch goals and I saw at least three that added more scenery sprues for free but no mention of extra free connector sprues
The added scenery sprues (to the 150 pledge that is) effectively added a second battlezone; they then dropped in connectors for said second battlezone.
You got the exact number of wall tiles that would have been on the original sprues, plus, I believe, an extra or two here and there (but nothing major) - they just divided them over more, but smaller, sprues.
Bolognesus wrote: No. I don't think we even got that many free walls extra, and in any case, connectors supplied currently cover about half a battlezone, rather than a whole one. That's not explained by a few extra wall panels even if it would play a small part.
Ah, I just went and looked at my pledge on the Kickstarter, the $150 one, comes with 11 extra scenery sprues.
edit - just quick browsed through the stretch goals and I saw at least three that added more scenery sprues for free but no mention of extra free connector sprues
The added scenery sprues (to the 150 pledge that is) effectively added a second battlezone; they then dropped in connectors for said second battlezone.
You got the exact number of wall tiles that would have been on the original sprues, plus, I believe, an extra or two here and there (but nothing major) - they just divided them over more, but smaller, sprues.
Did they? I didn't see an extra connectors stretch goal. But I'm not sure, honestly, with Deadzone I saw the initial offering and then I just pledged the 140 early bird and then kind of ignored most of the campaign until the survey. I just recall the initial pledge level didn't have nearly as much terrain, so in my mind extra wall/floor sprues got added due to stretch goals ( I'm still blown away by the sheer amount of stuff I got) But if everyone else is having not-enough-connector-sprue-problems then I should add some to my second survey since I haven't yet assembled all of my terrain.
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Two battlezones, one connector sprue each in the pledge. This is the same ratio at which they were selling them in the december release battlezones (flgs got four for infinity, we're still collectively annoyed) and afaik on the first survey.
Really, they just figured connector sprues weren't exactly sexy enough for a stretch and just included what they'd figured was 'enough'.
Bolognesus wrote: Two battlezones, one connector sprue each in the pledge. This is the same ratio at which they were selling them in the december release battlezones (flgs got four for infinity, we're still collectively annoyed) and afaik on the first survey.
Really, they just figured connector sprues weren't exactly sexy enough for a stretch and just included what they'd figured was 'enough'.
I think it's more that they assumed people would be using the straight connectors more and not as many corner connectors (i.e. larger or longer buildings). I threw most of my long connectors away.
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Gotcha, then I will definitely order some more connectors and only assemble the stuff I can for now.
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