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Anyone curious about what Ronnie had to say about Dreadball Extreme can take a look over at my blog.

http://compel-gaming.blogspot.co.uk/2014/02/dreadball-extreme-q-on-facebook.html

 .Mikes. wrote:

 Daedleh wrote:

 .Mikes. wrote:
Can we expect revised rules/new rulebook in KoW2.0? I'm thinking primarily about revising ranged combat, but a fresh hardback rulebook including the Basilean Legacy and Heroes and Legends would be welcome.

A fresh hardback containing the new books is likely. FAQ and clarifications will be included. There may be a mini softback containing just rules and army lists.

There will be no rule amendments until KoW 2nd edition in ~2 years. A list of suggested minor amendments were submitted to Mantic by the top tournament players and their playtest team but these were vetoed.

Fair enough, thanks for the update.... although I can't help but think those doing the vetoing are dwarf players....

EDIT:

Actually, while I'm at it could I get a quick rundown of what KoW mk2 KS will include?

The changes actually helped Dwarfs, a lot. While cannons shot up in cost, almost every single other Dwarf unit dropped. Infantry heavy armies were viable, especially those that relied on Ironwatch for ranged attacks with some light cannon support. Rangers started seeing more use, as did the Organ Gun and flame belcher. On the whole the Dwarf army felt much more like a coherent list with lots of viable builds rather than nothing but cannons, or units to unlock cannons.

We don't know what the 2nd KoW KS will include exactly. It's likely to start with the Abyssals (complete with brand new army list), Forces of Nature and then hopefully switching hybrid models such as the Abyssal Dwarfs into hard plastic.

 .Mikes. wrote:

privateer4hire wrote:

Can't answer rules change but interested in what you think should change in ranged combat.

Short version: It sucks.

Long version: It's not worth it.

I am talking unit ranged combat here rather than artillery, but there are dozens of threads on the main forum about how the way unit ranged combat is nerfed to the point it's barely worth taking the units, which especially for the elf army is silly. Those threads go into it in more details than I could.

Huh, I disagree completely, ranged combat is awesome. Softens up the enemy units to the point where an average roll on the 2d6 bell curve will break them in one round of combat. Seems about accurate to me.

 .Mikes. wrote:

privateer4hire wrote:

Can't answer rules change but interested in what you think should change in ranged combat.

Short version: It sucks.

Long version: It's not worth it.

I am talking unit ranged combat here rather than artillery, but there are dozens of threads on the main forum about how the way unit ranged combat is nerfed to the point it's barely worth taking the units, which especially for the elf army is silly. Those threads go into it in more details than I could.

Thanks. I've never faced that as a problem but mileage varies.

"We did not use hard plastic or restic because there is little variety in weapons and arms"

That's a wasted opportunity. It would be so easy to make a sprue where half the arms were empty or holding the ball, and half were holding pistols and melee weapons. They could have gotten the Necromunda fans and Blood Bowl fans at the same time.

mmm.... lateral thinking.

You might even be able to fit in a torso with the handless left arm attached, that can be used either for a "firing from the hip" pose or a "protecting the ball with both hands" pose.

Have we seen any sprue of the peacekeepers yet?

That is a negative Sir, no Peacekeeper sprue yet. I kindof like the window of a good few months before they start shipping the 2nd wave. It allows backers to hopefully see everything and also gives Mantic more time to get their ship in order.

Just got around to looking at my fortification sprue. I wasn't necessarily going to order more terrain on the survey.. and it's possible I may still wait for retail.. but dang. That's a cool box. Half a dozen up-armor panels you can use to enbeefen any of your existing structures (and they seem to on/off fairly easy too), same number of reinforced corner posts and middle-of-wall-post-whatever-you-call-those-things... for when you really want to make something look like a bunker. Several uparmored standard building tiles, for moderately fortified structures (wouldn't bother covering those with the up-armor panels, seems a waste), and some sexy diamond pattern nonslip walkways. Think you get six of those too. You get a bunch of those defense line bits too, the chunky half tiles with vision/gun slits. The only thing I don't really like is that you get the ginormous laser cannon with each. It's so big, you might even have to call it a space laser cannon (or space lasinator for the kids). I don't need more of those... unless I convert some Imperial vehicles into warpath tanks... but I'll probably like the warpath tanks better.

I have found the plague to be a bear to clean, but I think that's true of most spikey/organic shapes. I like the 3rd gens more than I thought I would, they've got more little bits of detail like ammo belts and such than I realized... though most of their guns are really detail soft. Still not getting the 3g hate though, looking at them near the 2nd and 1st gen, they all have vaguely the same body type.. the big guys just have more bone. I like that the spiky spine ridge is carried across all three generations, as is the "right angle neck", and even the supertorso (1st and 2nd gens both have it, you just don't mind as much because of the bone and cooler look).

*Ahem, sorry to blather on, glad to stuff all of that into a spoiler if it's a bit much. Just surprised how much I liked the fortification sprue (probably my favorite at this point, non considering vanilla, given you can only use so many landing pads..).

Are there plans for a Deadzone 2.0 KS?

 GrimDork wrote:
Still not getting the 3g hate though...

Space zombies have only one thing going for them, and that's body horror. If the Plague looked like something out of The Thing or Dead Space (don't click if squeamish), it would be easier to overlook the fact that they make no sense.

Probably not until it's time for a boxed expansion.

Someday? Nothing has been mentioned although during the KS it was mentioned that Z'zor and Veer'Myn would make better antagonists for a Deadzone expansion than additions to the original core game. I'm sure we'll see something eventually, either KS or retail. Given that they're doing a Dreadball Xtreme kickstarter, plans to do Kings of war 2.0 kickstarter, and so on... Surely. But probably after the Warpath Kickstarter? Maybe 2016 or later 2015? Scarlet Squig has a better grasp of their game plan than I do, but it's probably a ways off.

I mean... I'm sure it's going to happen eventually. The only reasons it wouldn't is if the company implodes, or they decide to drop kickstarters and work the whole DZ 2.0 thing in-house. In the case of the non kickstarted release... given what we know they already plan to do.. it would probably be several years later in that case. Probably sticking to kickstarter though, despite issues it seems to be working for them.

Thank you gentlemen.

Quick update after Mantic made a forum post:

- No Warpath KS this year.
- No KoW 2.0 KS for another 6 months.

I know some people will be quite happy to hear that, but I actually hold the opposite opinion and am eager to see more KoW/Warpath stuff.

I'm eager to see more of both also, but I'm glad they're spacing themselves out a bit more with the Kickstarters.

Might be a new licensed IP KS before then, you never know, they have hinted that another one is on the cards.

Yeah, and we're still working away at that on the main forums. I'm still holding out for Bolt Action 'Allo 'Allo.

I'm not even going to attempt to guess it, Mars Attacks was so unexpected that I wouldn't be surprised to see a spots the space marine wargame.

I am personally glad they'll be spacing themselves out, as I think this is the biggest single thing I've seen people repeatedly on-edge about in regards to Mantic Kickstarters.

Plus, that way more paychecks can be saved for the kickstarters as well!

Yes, please take time. They need to do KoW Abyssal Ks and Warpath KS correctly - as in, high quality multipart hard plastic sprues.

I'm all for improvements to KoW as long as they keep it simplistic and tactically viable. If it turns into WHFB 8th with cheaper figures it won't be that good. It needs to remain lean and easy to learn/hard to master and make it so you win via strategy.

Definitely looking forward to a Warpath KS though to improve that into a viable 40k alternative.

That's pretty much what both Alessio and Ronnie seem to be all about in rulesets, so I wouldn't worry about those rules ever losing their leanness

WayneTheGame wrote:
I'm all for improvements to KoW as long as they keep it simplistic and tactically viable. If it turns into WHFB 8th with cheaper figures it won't be that good. It needs to remain lean and easy to learn/hard to master and make it so you win via strategy.

Definitely looking forward to a Warpath KS though to improve that into a viable 40k alternative.

Kings of War needs no major rules changes. It needs more nice high quality HIPS plastic kits to get people who are interested in models foremost to give it a second glance.

Well I hate waiting for stuff, but my wallet will be glad. So does that mean we might see the DKH4 kickstarter this year then? I forget what the order was, that may have been after the others.

It would be kind of weird to have more than 2-3 months go by with mantic running or sponsoring a kickstarter though

Oh well, it'll be the more I can spend next year or whenever.

Here's the SW DZ board, painted up:

That is hideous. The mint green and egg yolk yellow were really bad colour choices, and the random detail draws attention to the fact that it's just one 1' square copy-pasted four times.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Here's the SW DZ board, painted up:

The text from the update:

TableScapes Kickstarter wrote:
Deadzone ™ - PAINT IN PROGRESS
I only have a small window in which I can do airbrushing every day, and so I've been knocking out the initial paint work on these tiles as quickly as I can. I still need to come back and finish them all, of course, but I don't want to leave you waiting while I wrap things up. And so... Deadzone.

Makes me think its a WIP paintjob.

I have a few ideas for mine to get around the repetition.. for starters everything in the same colour (bright sandstone) will tie things together nicely... and then after that I'll be painting (and possibly modelling) in a road on each tile that starts in one corner and finishes in the other, taking a slightly different route on each one. It should allow the roads to link up nicely while avoiding them being all simple straights that aren't very interesting for LoS.

EDIT: Found some details of Mars Attacks' launch date and retail pricing, it's going to launch in October:

MGE MA01-1 Mars Attacks: The Miniatures Game ~ OCT PreOrder $74.99
MGE MA11-1 Mars Attacks: Attack From Space (4) ~ OCT PreOrder $24.99
MGE MA21-1 Mars Attacks: Martian Grunts (10) ~ OCT PreOrder $24.99
MGE MA22-1 Mars Attacks: US Soldiers (10) ~ OCT PreOrder $24.99

Looks like £50 for the base game, I got it for £10 with an extra 28 minis in the KS and spent most of the credit on DZ terrain. Pretty happy about that, my interest in the IP is limited, but for the prices they were offering in the KS, it was a no-brainer.