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 timetowaste85 wrote:
I wish they gave us a stat card image for Howlett. He'll likely be replacing my Iron Man Energy Gauntlet sergeant, and I'd like to know how his stats play.

I have a sneak peak of most of the cards:

5+ Shoot, 4+ Fight, 3+ Survive, 2 Armor, 2-1 Command
Tough, Brawler, Rampage (doesn't have Discipline for some reason)
AP2 Melee, regular Pistol, Jump Pack

Other than the fact that I think he should be very tough (seriously, it's wolverine!!), I'm happy with that. Point cost? I didn't see that in the listing. I'm hoping for 15, up to 20 is acceptable in my force.

Sarge is 15 he has to be at least 20 to get brawler +1 to survive and fight, and maybe arguably rampage. I'm not sure about v.tough, 3+ survive is pretty spectacular as it is.

This image of the Iron Ancestor with the Deadzone resin bits was posted on Deadzone the podcast. I hadn't seen it before, but in truth, I didn't bother to scroll back through all the posts here, so I could be wrong. In which case, .

That's a right monster!! Awesome

That's nice, almost wish i had gotten one, but i like my doomstorms well enough. And that one from dbx should be cool too. Nice color scheme on it.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Quick heads up - There will be some small price increases for Euro and USD prices *only* on August 1st.
Exchange rates are the problem, the dollar has collapsed in value vs the pound so it all needs reviewing due to the bulk of Mantic's running costs being in GBP.
I'm personally hoping this means I can get a Mantic KS in GBP for once rather than having to pay currency exchange fees.

I'm assuming that all of their manufacturing costs much be paid in US$, since there's no realistic reason otherwise why ROW can't pay in pounds instead of dollars. Their UKP>USD exchange rate was always a bit sketchy anyway, this will just make it worse and further ensure I don't ever buy anything direct (aside from KS items).

I can't see them ever shutting out all of those sweet, sweet dollars in order to run a KS in pounds. Especially since China loves dollars.

^ Other than the tooling costs there are still wages, rent and taxes etc. that all need paying in GBP. So, unless they're directly funding something new its GBP they need to expand their local operations and infrastructure (probably the best thing they could do at this point in time).

Interview with Ronnie after a sexy candlelit dinner and a bottle of wine:

So the most important thing I got from that was a dual rulebook release for warpath including a skirmishier sized game for 40 something models, and a mass combat with lots and lots. Cool.

Yep, 2 separate rulebooks and army lists for Warpath. Should hopefully ship as a bonus freebie with DZ wave 2 if we're lucky.

Individual casualty removal and skirmish mechanics for the 40k-sized game. A polished version of Warpath 2.0 which is likely to fix up the current rules to remove some of the annoying things about it (the weird activation, 7+ to hit for most shooting etc.).

Element-based (5 models = 1 game unit) rules for the mass battle game which will allow for gigantic battles to be played very quickly. Movement trays here most likely.

All models compatible with both versions of the game. Play whichever one you want.

Could probably even play the mass battle version with a different scale of models, as some people have already done with KoW (it works great with any sub-28mm scale of models you throw at it, with an optional inches to cm conversion).

Its a good approach since it puts the two different versions of the game out there and lets the players decide which one is the most popular (rather than people with opinions on the internet, or Mantic's own playtesters).

The previous plan was to have large point value games of Deadzone cover the "large skirmish game" territory, but I think anyone who has played that game knows that it just isn't suited to anything over 20 models at most.

I've seen a 6mm 40k conversion game, i bet KoW works even better, sounds kind of fun, a wee travel sized game to take with you places.


I just hope if they produce the movement trays for the mass battle game themselves... they do something cool and scifi friendly, like a clear plastic X with base slots at all of the corners and in the middle, with maybe a couple of different formation types that may or may not matter. Hmm.... i wonder if they leave the integrated bases and would expect you to mount them into the movement trays.... should be interesting times ahead in any case.

 GrimDork wrote:
So the most important thing I got from that was a dual rulebook release for warpath including a skirmishier sized game for 40 something models, and a mass combat with lots and lots. Cool.

It now sounds obvious, but this is actually a damn clever solution to keep people happy and interested. Offer both versions of the rules and support both, and you've actually managed to please all of the people, all of the time

Interesting, I like what I am hearing so far

I am really interested into what they are going to produce for the next IP and the KoW Skirmish game, they sound like fun already

 Paradigm wrote:
It now sounds obvious, but this is actually a damn clever solution to keep people happy and interested. Offer both versions of the rules and support both, and you've actually managed to please all of the people, all of the time

Except where people want to use the 'multibasing' aspect of the large game to create dioramas and can't then easily remove individual figures, meaning they have to buy the same figures twice if they want to play both versions.

But in general it is probably is the best solution.

 Vermonter wrote:
This image of the Iron Ancestor with the Deadzone resin bits was posted on Deadzone the podcast. I hadn't seen it before, but in truth, I didn't bother to scroll back through all the posts here, so I could be wrong. In which case, .

I'll admit it - the Iron Ancestor/not-Squats are what have me most excited here.

Well, other than the awesome terrain of course!

 Riquende wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
It now sounds obvious, but this is actually a damn clever solution to keep people happy and interested. Offer both versions of the rules and support both, and you've actually managed to please all of the people, all of the time

Except where people want to use the 'multibasing' aspect of the large game to create dioramas and can't then easily remove individual figures, meaning they have to buy the same figures twice if they want to play both versions.

But in general it is probably is the best solution.

Unless they enforce a very strict basing mechanic (unlikely given how loose KOW is in that regard) it shouldn't be too hard to make removable single-model figures as part of multibases. People have been making dioramas with removable minis for gaming for years.

 Paradigm wrote:

 Riquende wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
It now sounds obvious, but this is actually a damn clever solution to keep people happy and interested. Offer both versions of the rules and support both, and you've actually managed to please all of the people, all of the time

Except where people want to use the 'multibasing' aspect of the large game to create dioramas and can't then easily remove individual figures, meaning they have to buy the same figures twice if they want to play both versions.

But in general it is probably is the best solution.

Unless they enforce a very strict basing mechanic (unlikely given how loose KOW is in that regard) it shouldn't be too hard to make removable single-model figures as part of multibases. People have been making dioramas with removable minis for gaming for years.

Personally when I hear that they will make movement trays for Sci-fi mass battle games I think we will see something along the lines of the War of the Ring movement trays except in different shapes of course..

In many ways the 2 sets of rules is the way 40k should have handled their latest giant vehicles binge rather than going crazy and having titans in 1000 point games.

GW is a bit too sluggish to support 2 sets of rules tailored to different game sizes though, whereas Mantic just plain writes the army lists, puts them out immediately for free and then updates as needed. No need for them to be bound into printing a hardback book every time they want to put out a small rules update.

 scarletsquig wrote:
In many ways the 2 sets of rules is the way 40k should have handled their latest giant vehicles binge rather than going crazy and having titans in 1000 point games.

VERY good point there!

A 'skirmish' level 40K game would have been a good idea - and still is.

I still hope GW smartens up and releases one.

Until then - Mantic, I guess?

Probably more likely, and may more successful, once they've got more of the line in 'hard plastic'.

100% hard plastic Warpath KS coming later this year as far as I know. Maybe early 2015. Whenever they're ready.

Highly likely we'll see a 100% hard plastic Enforcer army box released pre-KS too, once the DZ stuff is out there will be the following units for it in hard plastic:

Strike Team
Assault Team
Suppression Team
Shooty Peacekeepers
Assault Peacekeepers
Defender Peacekeepers

And also these in hard plastic with restic arms, or as restic minis:

Enforcer Defenders
Pathfinders
Medic.
Sniper.
Engineer.
Commanders (including 2 special characters)
Striders.

It's looking very much like a complete army with a range of support and character options. Plague and Forgefathers will be very doable as armies too.

One interesting thing is that Nexus Psi has a section showing a 3d design and lots of background for the Wyvern light dropship used by the Enforcers.

So, might see that being made in the Kickstarter, it seems that Enforcers use aircraft rather than ground vehicles to go in, kill stuff and get out, possibly something closer to a 40k valykrie/stormtooper force rather than the more ground-based space marines. Everything has jump packs.

I hope you're right on it being 100% Plastic, I dislike the restic in Deadzone..

I really want to see how the existing races expand and also new races such as the Zzo'r and those crystal ailens who are enemies with the FF..

Plus I really want to see Rebs as a faction in Warpath..

really loving the idea of a 40 man deadzone game. I run 40k with a custom rule set for 35 guys and individual casualties.


would love for an offical system.

Did you mean peacekeepers in your first chunk of units, SS?

I agree with another point... the way they're doing enforcers with full function jump packs.. it would be silly to give them tanks that could barely keep up, drop ships make loads more sense for sure.

Are you sure they're planning for 100% hard plastic and not just for the troopers with some restic specialists? Obviously hard plastic is what they ought to do, just curious if it's been said.

^ I do, good spot!

I can't rule out the odd restic character or upgrade set, but all signs point to them seriously gearing up the sprue production now that they've gotten excellent results from the sprues produced for deadzone. 100% was what I heard and that's the current rumour status.

100% hard plastic was Mantics aim last time I heard. Deadzone has given us restic characters for each of the main races, apart from the Corp so the feeling is that there won't need to be many heroes tooled in the kickstarter, just infantry and tanks. Interestingly, the Forgeguard sprue has a hero on it so what few heroes are made might be hard plastic.

I think the space marine captain box is fairly popular, hard plastic hero with bits enough for 2-3 of them or something like that. The first thing i request, once the kickstarter is running, and the main thing i won't shut up about until they threaten to kick me out.... is a hard plastic weapon/accessory sprue. I've got the eisenkern stormtrooper accessory sprue set, and it's lovely, but a more scifi-friendly set would be amazing.

Mantic kickstarter prices for hard plastic tanks... squeeee.

Oh god, a hard plastic weapon upgrade sprue would be nuts...I'd buy about four of them (to start: there'd be a helluva lot more later).

You and me both, though I don't have my hopes up... i'm still definitely going to bring it up constantly

I mean, every faction could probably use one, but especially the mainstreamiest factions whose gear may see use with other minis.

The Enforcer faction especially: hard plastic weapon sprue that includes energy blade trios and giant riot shields? Hmmm, what game-players would buy those by the truckloads....Mantic could make a veritable fortune off of those, if they play their cards right. Here's a tip, guys: make the left arms come without hands and have the hands attached to the shield:weapons, and have the shoulder pads separate too: you'll make a killing.

 scarletsquig wrote:
^ Other than the tooling costs there are still wages, rent and taxes etc. that all need paying in GBP. So, unless they're directly funding something new its GBP they need to expand their local operations and infrastructure (probably the best thing they could do at this point in time).

I agree with you that those costs are paid in GBP. But you know as well as I do that Americans don't like to spend "funny money", and that a GBP Kickstarter from Mantic would bring in far, far less.

Remember - I'm the one bitching that I can't buy stuff from their webstore in GBP. If they're not willing to let ROW pay in a choice of currencies (like so many other European stores do) then they're not going to run a KS in pounds.

Interview with Ronnie after a sexy candlelit dinner and a bottle of wine:

I'll save that for tonight...

 scarletsquig wrote:
Yep, 2 separate rulebooks and army lists for Warpath. Should hopefully ship as a bonus freebie with DZ wave 2 if we're lucky.
Individual casualty removal and skirmish mechanics for the 40k-sized game. A polished version of Warpath 2.0 which is likely to fix up the current rules to remove some of the annoying things about it (the weird activation, 7+ to hit for most shooting etc.).
Element-based (5 models = 1 game unit) rules for the mass battle game which will allow for gigantic battles to be played very quickly. Movement trays here most likely.
All models compatible with both versions of the game. Play whichever one you want.

Its a good approach since it puts the two different versions of the game out there and lets the players decide which one is the most popular (rather than people with opinions on the internet, or Mantic's own playtesters).

That does seem like a good idea. So... why not give the two versions separate names then to avoid confusion? I guess there's still time for that - but having them with the same name would be a bad idea...


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 Riquende wrote:

 Paradigm wrote:
It now sounds obvious, but this is actually a damn clever solution to keep people happy and interested. Offer both versions of the rules and support both, and you've actually managed to please all of the people, all of the time

Except where people want to use the 'multibasing' aspect of the large game to create dioramas and can't then easily remove individual figures, meaning they have to buy the same figures twice if they want to play both versions.

But in general it is probably is the best solution.

Well, that's a really specific complaint - and not one that could ever be solved if people are that intent on making multibased dioramas. Then again, it's just as true for KoW or any other games that allow multibasing where people may want to use the figures elsewhere as well. It's why my "20-25mm square" KoW figures are instead individually based on 25mm rounds (the rounds are just a strong, personal choice) and then blu-taced onto regiment bases. Lets me use them in KoW as well as anything else from LotR SBG to Advanced HeroQuest to SBH to Pathfinder (except Warhammer, but I don't care about WHFB anymore).