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Both of those look very promising. I KNEW they existed!!!

Both of those looked promising until Southern Fury turned out to be a 25mm scaled game.

State of War explicitly stated no artillery. Which seems stupid. Why would you leave out the most potent weapons of the day?

DaBestestKlan wrote:
Both of those looked promising until Southern Fury turned out to be a 25mm scaled game.

As opposed to... 28mm? You do know that they're the same scale, right?

State of War explicitly stated no artillery. Which seems stupid. Why would you leave out the most potent weapons of the day?

Because it's generally a weapon used for long ranged bombardment, and not for conflicts between companies? And if that's the only thing stopping you, make up your own rules.

DaBestestKlan wrote:
Both of those looked promising until Southern Fury turned out to be a 25mm scaled game.

State of War explicitly stated no artillery. Which seems stupid. Why would you leave out the most potent weapons of the day?

Yes. 25mm / 28mm doesn't make any practical difference. Don't worry about it.

As for artillery, perhaps it is not suitable for a skirmish level game, however if you want to include it you could write up some rules. Field artillery was generally 10 to 12 pounder at that time.

A lot of historical miniatures are 25mm anyway, I wouldn't limit yourself based on a ruleset being meant for 25/28mm. Most historical gamers use them interchangeably.

And yeah, artillery doesn't make all that much sense for a skirmish game, but it would be easy to make your own rules or even pull some artillery rules from another ruleset.

The idea that the battle of Fredericksberg - 114,000 Union troops vs 72,500 Confederates - can be fought in a large living room on a 1 to 1 scale is pure comedy gold.

As is the criticism of 15mm because of the limited conversion possibilities.

It is tempting to sermonise on the way in which GW has warped the mind of sections of the gaming world, but instead I will suggest Sharpe Practice, Muskets and Tomahawks, or a similar skirmish set of rules that focus on heroic narratives - or indeed just using 40k rules with ACW figures.

You might want to look into "Sixty One to Sixty Five" rules available in the ACW section from Wargame vault.

These are company level and 1:1 scaling with 40-100 figures a side.

Me I prefer the grand scale of "zouave" or "principles of war" using my 2mm figures (slowly being replaced by Oddzial Osmy's 3mm). A six by four table becomes a real battlefield...

Awesome thread, I'm looking for something similar. Big P, what miniatures are you using for both figures and the terrain. Your game looks spectacular!!!

It is folly to compare 40k or WHFB to a Historical wargaming ruleset.

Well apart from Warhammer Ancients...

And, you know, all those other Warhammer Historicals games...

King Thor wrote:
Awesome thread, I'm looking for something similar. Big P, what miniatures are you using for both figures and the terrain. Your game looks spectacular!!!

I use Redoubt, Foundry, Renegade and Perry figures.

The houses are mainly Hovels and the Renendra plastic house.