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smee wrote:
Yeah really the best AA that Dark angels have is flakk missiles. I personally run 4 across a devastator squad, leaving lascannons to my tactical squads, which give me anti tank with a nice S9 AP2.

No, it isn't. The best AA that Dark Angels have is a scoring Scout Squad with Camo Cloaks and an ADL w/ Quadgun. It's cheaper than Flakk Missiles, it's scoring, and it's a better unit.

They have 3+ cover saves and the Quadgun does more damage to fliers than 4 Flakk Missiles, even with the Signum.

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Also, you really don't want to take devastators against a helldrake because they are just a big target... the quad gun is pretty ineffective against the drake as well... but at least you get to take a shot before the drake does anything and you die.

I would recommend a godhammer-pattern land raider, and more terminators. Maybe a quad gun as well, but these units are invulnerable to the drake and can also shoot back and hurt it.

I'm building a drake myself, but not using the cheesy flamer loadout... because i expect people will learn to adapt against it. I actually think that with the new rules, it's not a bad dogfighter because it can pass over an enemy flyer and then shoot it in the rear with no repercussions.

Why has no one suggested a techmarine with infravisor behind the ADL w/quadgun?

You get one for 50 that doesn't take up a FoC slot as DA whenever you take an HQ.

Bam T7 W2 2+ armor for 150p total that also ignores night fight.

Barrywise wrote:
it was good before the FAQ and I have no problem with CSM, they have a very balanced codex so stop your bitching or just stop playing CSM

Mmm, check out this bad boy.

Units behind an ADL don't get T7...

Plus, a unit of scouts with camo cloaks costs the same as a Techmarine, shoots at the same ballistic skill as a Techmarine, has 5 wounds compared to 2, 4 of which are ablative, and has a 3+ cover save compared to the Techmarine which would get a 4+ cover save.

And it's a scoring troop choice for holding a backfield objective.

I like the sound of the non-infantry options in this scenario since they don't have to worry about getting blazed by the Heldrake.

How about an all lascannon Predator? Much cheaper than the Land Raider with similar damage output. Extremely reliable unit.

Macabre wrote:
I like the sound of the non-infantry options in this scenario since they don't have to worry about getting blazed by the Heldrake.

How about an all lascannon Predator? Much cheaper than the Land Raider with similar damage output. Extremely reliable unit.

another bonus for taking a Hades helldrake, I can just fly over a tank vector striking it and then shoot it in the rear before it gets to fire a shot, still, no where near as vulnerable as MEQ's on the ground but... land raiders are the one thing that are well protected against flyers and protect troops from them at the same time, but you need to have a strategy to protect them from other stuff.

the land raider gives you a decent 'ignore the flyers' strat... while shooting flyers with a lascannon pred can easily be a waste. Especially if you have access to vendetta...

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Psychohavoc wrote:
6th Edition rule book pg 415. The entry for Missile Launcher has Flakk missiles in the weapon profile.

It also states in the text for the Missile Launcher that they only come with Frag and Krak as standard. Nobody but DA and CSM have access to Flakk missiles.

Psychohavoc wrote:
6th Edition rule book pg 415. The entry for Missile Launcher has Flakk missiles in the weapon profile. Don't complain about there being no errata for the Space marine Codex, when they do you may have to pay the extra 10 pts the Dark angel players do.

Flawed logic is flawed.

Codex supersedes Rulebook, and Codex Missile Launchers have no Flakk profile.

Good try, though chief.

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 CaptainGrey wrote:

Psychohavoc wrote:
6th Edition rule book pg 415. The entry for Missile Launcher has Flakk missiles in the weapon profile. Don't complain about there being no errata for the Space marine Codex, when they do you may have to pay the extra 10 pts the Dark angel players do.

Flawed logic is flawed.

Codex supersedes Rulebook, and Codex Missile Launchers have no Flakk profile.

Good try, though chief.

Flawed logic is flawed. Codex doesn't say it DOESN'T have Flakk Missiles, the reason it doesn't is because the BRB says so. Omission means nothing when you've got permission from somewhere else.


Good try though, chief.

Just to mention another possibilities to folks. Having to face regularily a necron player who's building -nearly- a flying circus, I splurged and got myself the Forge World Aeronautica book.

It's good.

It's got flyers apoc and regular for most armies, and quite a few fun anti-air options. Just for space marines the book offers two or three storm-type flyers and the caestus assault ram. (Av 13 flyer? Can ram? Now that's a real flying brick)
On the anti-air front you get statsheets for for contemptor dreadnought (which gains skyfire and interceptor if immobile), a land raider with an anti-air missile launcher, a whirlwind with anti-air missiles... And the hyperios defense platforms. Cheap, immobile automated twin-linked S8 missiles launchers with skyfire and interceptor. Comes in a unit of up to 4.
And I scratch-built a few of those hyperios for a friend, fun build...

Two words my friends: Good book.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 CaptainGrey wrote:

Psychohavoc wrote:
6th Edition rule book pg 415. The entry for Missile Launcher has Flakk missiles in the weapon profile. Don't complain about there being no errata for the Space marine Codex, when they do you may have to pay the extra 10 pts the Dark angel players do.

Flawed logic is flawed.

Codex supersedes Rulebook, and Codex Missile Launchers have no Flakk profile.

Good try, though chief.

Flawed logic is flawed. Codex doesn't say it DOESN'T have Flakk Missiles, the reason it doesn't is because the BRB says so. Omission means nothing when you've got permission from somewhere else.


Good try though, chief.

-Agrees with me
-Uses different reasoning
-Gives catty, sarcastic attitude.

Nice. Remarkably grown up of you.

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 Che-Vito wrote:


Like I advised you via PM, the attitude is one that you've began almost all of your posts with. It's not the way the civil discussion works, being on the internet does not create an exception for that.
Naturally, people respond in a less than civil manner.

Well thought out, calmly stated advice will not get you antagonistic responses on this forum (as a general rule.)

This guy right here.

Lemme' know how saying "Flawed logic is flawed" is attitude?

(Hint: it's not. It's merely an internet-esque version of the equivalent statement 'your logic is flawed'.)

I don't seek a lecture from you (though I do not hold it against you, it seemed sincere), nor do I seek to be mocked by Mr. Walrus.

I merely am pointing out a rule misinterpretation. If either of you find my other post's dialect and word-choice unfavorable, you might want to be more accepting to the way other people speak.