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I really want to see concept art for the Capitol. I hate to say it but they are the primary faction I am backing for. I am going to keep the kickstarter backed but if by the last day Captiol is still not unlocked I am going to drop from Cartel to Necromutant and add on a couple things.

Capitol and Dark Legion are the two armies I am pulling out of this Kickstarter. Cartel Level is going to get me two massive armies if we hit 85k.

 Yodhrin wrote:
I'm waiting to see some actual renders of those big hulking cyborgs, as the potential for a unit of Praetorian Combat Servitors is what's temping me. EDIT: Armoured Chasseurs are the ones I mean. Also, I'd be more interested if there was a pledge level for a single box with addons unlocked that wasn't being padded with a t-shirt I'll probably never wear.

I think you can do that by choosing a minimal pledge level and then adding the "add ons". Needs confirmation though.

@ Yodhrin

Just trade the T-Shirt in for another troop box.

 Yodhrin wrote:
I'm waiting to see some actual renders of those big hulking cyborgs, as the potential for a unit of Praetorian Combat Servitors is what's temping me. EDIT: Armoured Chasseurs are the ones I mean. Also, I'd be more interested if there was a pledge level for a single box with addons unlocked that wasn't being padded with a t-shirt I'll probably never wear.

Trade the t-shirt in for credit and get something else. It gets you £11 toward a squad box. That's why they decided to enact the credit system.

Edit - Multi-scooped

Just crossed the 70k line. I'll be curious to see what in-plastic does for the number of figs in the starter kits.

now we need 10k more!!!!

Dig deep folks!!!

3D render of the machinators is up. I like them!

Dat minigun. I think I'm in love!

Whao. The Machinators look great. Thow I don't get why the guy in the middle is doing a pirouette?


Also why is the guy in the right trying to hold his gun by the spinning barrels? Actully on the topic of the mini-gun it seems kinda small, it also realy need a ammo feed/backback to make it more convinceing.


The Machinators them selves look AWSOME thow. It's just some bizzar posesing and tweeking the mini-gun that holds them back.

I think the guy in the middle is jumping down from somewhere and is just about to land and if those guys are 40mm models then the MG isn't small at all. It's just the same size the chasseurs will be using. But yes, it's ob that he has his fingers on the spinning barrels. Anyway, these are the first renders. There will be improvement. Just look at the arms. They aren't holding their weapons like the undead legionnaires or hussars anymore.

I'm guessing the one model in particular with have his hand moved soon!

Once again, some very nice renders, BUT I agree that holding the minigun like a rifle is kinda.... not so good. Should be a relatively simple fix to have him hold it properly as in Lockark's picture.

Other than that small quibble, I think they're great.

rhavien wrote:
I think the guy in the middle is jumping down from somewhere and is just about to land

That is still a very bizzar pose for something that looks like it should be a walking tank with all that armour on.

rhavien wrote:
if those guys are 40mm models then the MG isn't small at all. It's just the same size the chasseurs will be using. But yes, it's ob that he has his fingers on the spinning barrels. Anyway, these are the first renders. There will be improvement. Just look at the arms. They aren't holding their weapons like the undead legionnaires or hussars anymore.

I wasn't saying the mini-gun was to small. I said that it needs beefed up. For one the carry handle is too thin, also the barrles could be abit bigger/less thin. That would give it a more aggressive look. It's the right "size", but I think it should look alittle more "chunky" like the other guns.

Also like I said. The additon of a backpack/beltfeed would also help make it look "cooler", and add to "beefing" up the minigun.

The machinators got great potential but they are not quite there yet. I'd like the head to look more grim for starters, and the minigun does need some more love, a belt and a ammo-container on the back would look cool! And about the poses, I do believe they should look more like "I'm gonna take a stroll down this no-mans-land and I dare you to stop me!"... Looks great over all though!

I am happy the way Machinators turned up apart from their shoulderpads (they should be smaller and closer to their art) and the heads. I just hope that the Armoured Chasseurs are more faithful to their concept art.

 Ronin_eX wrote:

 Yodhrin wrote:
I'm waiting to see some actual renders of those big hulking cyborgs, as the potential for a unit of Praetorian Combat Servitors is what's temping me. EDIT: Armoured Chasseurs are the ones I mean. Also, I'd be more interested if there was a pledge level for a single box with addons unlocked that wasn't being padded with a t-shirt I'll probably never wear.

Trade the t-shirt in for credit and get something else. It gets you £11 toward a squad box. That's why they decided to enact the credit system.

Edit - Multi-scooped

Ahhh OK thanks Ronin & co, I didn't even check the addons section as I'd just assumed that the swaps only applied to models. I may just go in regardless of how the Armoured Chasseurs turn out then, since I can always grab a couple of boxes of the regular Chasseurs who will make a brilliant basis for Servitors that don't look like mechanised hunchbacks with gigantism.

Also, I take it the various "[-£1 from RRP]" Giveaway bonuses only actually apply to the unit which is unlocked by the corresponding Stretch Goal, yes?

Yup, that is the case. They account for the initial £1 off of the KS stuff. Since everything will retail for £X.99 when it comes out. They probably didn't need to pop it on every stretch with new models though, I think that it confused a lot of people initially.

The KS continues growing merrily along, can we have a second Mishima Doomtrooper now .

(Actually I'm more interested in the vehicles and what's next fort the Brotherhood.)

M.

 Miguelsan wrote:
The KS continues growing merrily along, can we have a second Mishima Doomtrooper now .

(Actually I'm more interested in the vehicles and what's next fort the Brotherhood.)

M.

Indeed, we will be getting another vehicle announcement some time this week (come on Cybertronic! Daddy needs a new pair of droids!). And there are still all of the extra previews for the new units they are still working on. I think they'll manage through the slow period just fine and once this thing hits 30 days to go, the people that were waiting to shave a month off will probably hop on. Looking at what I'm getting so far at Dark Legion level, I'm quite happy. I will be loading up on more stuff this month, though. Those Machinators renders have sold me for the most part and if the Armoured Chasseur are more of the same I may have to grab them as well.

I'm liking everything I see so far, with a couple of minor issues. Why are the Cybertronic models so "bumpy"? All the Bonner art shows Cybertronic stuff as sleek and smooth. The immortal seems to be the only one that follows that pattern. Also, Machinators are close combat troops- where are the heat swords and shields?

Now another question- I see on the Kickstarter that there's an expected delivery date of June for some of these models. Does that mean we'll see stuff at GenCon or Origins? If so, I can guarantee that a bunch of my money will go to buying a bunch of Brotherhood stuff.

Bonner's art may show that, but Bonner was not the only artist that drew Cybertronic (or any other faction for that matter). Most of the interior, black and white art for Cybertronic shows them as a lot more gritty and industrial. This stuff goes along with the way Peter Bergting and others tended to draw them. Bonner was just one dude, a lot of people provided the art that makes Mutant Chronicles/Warzone (and Bonner gave Vince comically tiny legs... so small they had to come up with a background reason for it!). Like most factions, the aesthetics can be traced back to more than just a single artist. I for one always preferred the way Bergting drew Cyber, seemed more Cyberpunk to me.

As for the armament, between Mirror Men and Reavers I don't think Cybertronic needs further close combat specialists. I'm glad the Machinators seem to have gotten a role upgrade so they wont be overlapping with other units so much. They still appear to be armed for CQB and close support but insofar as they are heavily armed.

I agree while I like the Bonner art, I also like the other art as well. The MC world was drawn by many different artists and has a nifty style when you put it all together.

That said there is plenty of room for modernization of many of those icon styles. So lets cut Prodos a little slack as they revive Warzone from the dead.

 Ronin_eX wrote:
Bonner's art may show that, but Bonner was not the only artist that drew Cybertronic (or any other faction for that matter). Most of the interior, black and white art for Cybertronic shows them as a lot more gritty and industrial. This stuff goes along with the way Peter Bergting and others tended to draw them. Bonner was just one dude, a lot of people provided the art that makes Mutant Chronicles/Warzone (and Bonner gave Vince comically tiny legs... so small they had to come up with a background reason for it!). Like most factions, the aesthetics can be traced back to more than just a single artist. I for one always preferred the way Bergting drew Cyber, seemed more Cyberpunk to me.

As for the armament, between Mirror Men and Reavers I don't think Cybertronic needs further close combat specialists. I'm glad the Machinators seem to have gotten a role upgrade so they wont be overlapping with other units so much. They still appear to be armed for CQB and close support but insofar as they are heavily armed.

While this is somewhat true even the black and white art (which hardly gets any attention here ) found in the old rpg-books, or the non-bonner colored art from the WZ-books, at large followed along the same lines as the Bonner art. Sure most non-bonner art had a more "gritty and industrial" feel and the cybertronic did come across as more cyberpunk (more cyberpunk to the people I say!). But Bonner or not I'd say the look was largely consistent, the difference wasn't that big between the artists works (apart from how the cityscape were designed).

My opinion is that they should have followed faithfully their concept sketches for the Machinators. As it is now, their heads and shoulderpads are nothing like in the art and look much more odd on the renders. These two parts need definitely some tweaking.

 praetor24 wrote:
My opinion is that they should have followed faithfully their concept sketches for the Machinators. As it is now, their heads and shoulderpads are nothing like in the art and look much more odd on the renders. These two parts need definitely some tweaking.

I kind of agree, but I did not fancy their heads at the concept stage either, it looked and looks a bit "stupid". I don't know if they try to imitate Vince's stupid smile (which is fluffy I guess) but I'd like something more sinister. I agree on the sholder pads though, the current ones could be given to the Chasseurs instead (they need more clothes) .

 c0un7_z3r0 wrote:

 praetor24 wrote:
My opinion is that they should have followed faithfully their concept sketches for the Machinators. As it is now, their heads and shoulderpads are nothing like in the art and look much more odd on the renders. These two parts need definitely some tweaking.

I kind of agree, but I did not fancy their heads at the concept stage either, it looked and looks a bit "stupid". I don't know if they try to imitate Vince's stupid smile (which is fluffy I guess) but I'd like something more sinister. I agree on the sholder pads though, the current ones could be given to the Chasseurs instead (they need more clothes) .

Well, I hope that Prodos will notice our comments, because lately their KS comments page has been flooded with fanboys.

 praetor24 wrote:
Well, I hope that Prodos will notice our comments, because lately their KS comments page has been flooded with fanboys.

Yeah the KS page is a wee bit fanboyish, but ever since they locked their FB-site in an attempt to steer people into their official forum, I've had a feeling that the dynamic of the feedback have got a bit off thb. The beta-part of the forum works fine I guess but to split the miniature-feedback onto the different faction-sections seems a bit odd. I'm really into this project but to go back and forth between all sections is just to much of a hassle for me... There should be one section for design-feedback only where all the art gets presented where you can go and give your feedback. On top of that, prodos doesn't seem to be very present on the forum either (strangely enough, sure they have been great at responding to feedback this far but I hope they will continue doing that and that we haven't seen the end of that).

 Sidstyler wrote:
She doesn't really need to be showing skin, when basically her whole ass, crack and all, is prominently on display regardless.

And yeah, I'm sure a lot of people are going to be painting that suit blue...lol

I also don't like that. besides, someone said that for once a female character does not wear combat heels, well, just take a closer look at the render, see where her heel is? She is wearing combat platforms, not much different from heels, still damn uncomfortable for a warrior and rather cheap in general

75.000 Stretchgoal.

£6 each packet? Are we kidding? This is more expensive than Forgeworld's kits. These kits should be free, especially now that they reached the plastics' goal.

And what about the added value that we would have gotten when we reached the plastics' goal? I mean we go from a superior material (resin) to an inferior (plastic) what for?