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There isn't a poll system on the Ice and Fire forum to make this sort of poll and I figured people probably watch Game of Thrones and play 40k; even if I think they're more likely to back Stannis. So I figured I'd make the poll.


I should probably add a few explanations. Theres always been a question over Jons parentage and I think theres been enough hints, foreshadowing, symbolism and mystery that its not inconceivable that he might be the son of Rhaegar n Lyanna Stark. In which case he could well become King with or without marrying Daenerys. Aegon, lots of doubts there but its not really relevent to express those here, he is still a contender. The Lannisters are added because, during ADWD it is mentioned by Barristan that the Mad King lusted after Joanna Lannister (Tywins wife) and may have "taken liberties" in the bedroom when they married. This implies that any of the Lannister children could be Targaryen bastards. If this were to be discovered or revealed then its not outside the realm of possibility that one of those people (esp Tyrion n Cersei) could try to take the Iron Throne in their own right.

Daenarys is the worst ruler in history. Seriously, every city he conquered, she fethed up royally by having no idea of what it means to be a ruler.

Just let Tyrion take the throne. Best character in the books, whores for everyone.

Who cares? Blood for the Blood God! Entertain me you fools!

 Sigvatr wrote:
Daenarys is the worst ruler in history. Seriously, every city he conquered, she fethed up royally by having no idea of what it means to be a ruler.

Just let Tyrion take the throne. Best character in the books, whores for everyone.

Yeah, I think Martin wanted to convey that as her trying to do the right thing by the people of Mereen and putting them before herself. So that sympathy for her and what she was doing would outweigh the stupidity of what she was doing. But, I think most people are of a similar mind as yourself that its too far in the series to be playing on similar themes as with Ned in the first book and it really ruined most readers attitude towards Daenerys.

Daenarys has always been caught between rocks and hard places, everyone is wanting to exploit any weakness,
I voted Jon since he's one of my favourite three (Tyrion and Arya (Before the whole run away thing) being the others) and has proven to be a fair commander being able to see the whole picture and the general concerns but misses out some of the small details but that's what advisors are for really

The Lannisters all inherited their Blonde hair from their Lannister heritage so I don't think there's a (recent) drop of Targaryean blood in their line

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
Daenarys has always been caught between rocks and hard places, everyone is wanting to exploit any weakness,
I voted Jon since he's one of my favourite three (Tyrion and Arya (Before the whole run away thing) being the others) and has proven to be a fair commander being able to see the whole picture and the general concerns but misses out some of the small details but that's what advisors are for really

The Lannisters all inherited their Blonde hair from their Lannister heritage so I don't think there's a (recent) drop of Targaryean blood in their line

The silver Targ hair seems to be recessive in the same way that anything with a drop of Baratheon in comes out with coal black hair. Hence why Jon looks pure Stark.

I may not see the whole picture, as I only watch the TV series, but I disliked Stannis Baratheon up until the attack on Kings Landing.

Dude put himself at the front of his boat, striking a George Washington crossing the Hudson pose while arrows rained down. Was the first dude to get to the wall, pushed a few soldiers away to climb up the wall first, killed his way around the wall, and had to be dragged away from the fight. I disliked him initially because of his cold and aloof manner, but when a dude gets into the thick of it like that, he got my respect.

Not sure if he'd make a good ruler, with his foreign god and red witch and her vagina ghost assassins, but he seems no more cruel then the other claimants to the throne. If he's a total douche in the books, I'll go with my runner up.

Runner up is Aegon Targaryen. From what I gleaned from wikis, he's being groomed to be a good ruler.

 NELS1031 wrote:
I may not see the whole picture, as I only watch the TV series, but I disliked Stannis Baratheon up until the attack on Kings Landing.

Dude put himself at the front of his boat, striking a George Washington crossing the Hudson pose while arrows rained down. Was the first dude to get to the wall, pushed a few soldiers away to climb up the wall first, killed his way around the wall, and had to be dragged away from the fight. I disliked him initially because of his cold and aloof manner, but when a dude gets into the thick of it like that, he got my respect.

Not sure if he'd make a good ruler, with his foreign god and red witch and her vagina ghost assassins, but he seems no more cruel then the other claimants to the throne. If he's a total douche in the books, I'll go with my runner up.

Runner up is Aegon Targaryen. From what I gleaned from wikis, he's being groomed to be a good ruler.

In the books Stannis stays back and commands his army from the rear. Storming the walls is something Robert would have done but the series went for a dramatic moment. In later books Stannis becomes a lot more sympathetic, the third series will probs convey this by the end.

Aegon, there are only a handful of scenes where he interacts with Tyrion. Basiclly, he throws a hissyfit during a game of chess and flips the table when Tyrion tells him that he'll be going to Dany a beggar and that she has a mind of her own. Aegon expects her to just bow, accept his claim, marry and hand her dragons over; the idea of her saying no doesn't occur to him. Oh, he then makes Tyrion pick up the chess pieces after Aegon flipped them. Its also possible that Tyrion manipulates him into invading Westeros rather than linking up with Dany. When Tyrion finds out later he thinks to himself "did he take the bait" and calls them "fools" later on. Hes a bit pampered and spoilt and entitled. Like early Theon. Tyrion even compares him to Joffery in his head. Oh, theres also a bit where he faces an undeadesque creature and just freezes with fear. Had tyrion not saved him he would have been killed. Compare that to Jon fighting wights or Dany facing down a dragon n that leaves some big questions about how brave he is relative to them. Even Big Sam, a self avowed coward, when under pressure did move and kill an Other.

And of course there's the whole wild card that is the Greyjoys, they could easily be the deciding factor in deciding how the throne goes, especially if dany either sides against the one with the horn or she stays out of it

SUPER SPOILER DON'T CLICK IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE FIFTH BOOK SERIOUSLY

 rubiksnoob wrote:
SUPER SPOILER DON'T CLICK IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE FIFTH BOOK SERIOUSLY

Spoiler:

I'm guessing the OP hasn't read the fifth book, seeing as he's got Jon Snow on the list.

Dany. Sure, she messed Mereen up, but you have to understand that she's still new to the whole ruler thing.

Next time she won't be as merciful.
And besides, Mereen is fething nuts. Insert political parallels here.

 rubiksnoob wrote:
SUPER SPOILER DON'T CLICK IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE FIFTH BOOK SERIOUSLY

Spoiler:

I'm guessing the OP hasn't read the fifth book, seeing as he's got Jon Snow on the list.

So far as Jon Snow,



So far as the OP, I'd say Dany since she's the rightful ruler of Westeros. I'd love to see Tyrion as her Hand.

As regards Jon Snow, I'm sure

But we'll see. I'd prefer your opinion, as that would make a better story. I like it better when you never really know.

Yes, we shall see.

Dany is the only one who can sit the Iron Throne and bring peace back to Westeros.

It's been implied that in a sense she's basically a reincarnation of Aegon the Conquerer, and Drogon is refered to as Balerion the Black Dread reborn.

As for how she's kind of regressed in ADWD's, almost all of that is because...


Keep in mind she was becoming a pretty strong character throughout the 2nd & 3rd books!



Tyrion will never be king. Like Varys he's one of the only characters who honestly doesn't want to sit the Iron Throne! He'd make an epic Hand of the Queen to dany though!

Actually, here's what I think might happen;

 Ouze wrote:
As regards Jon Snow, I'm sure

Spoiler:

he's as dead as Theon was, and Brienne was, and Davos was, and Aegon Targaryen was, and Asha Greyjoy was, and Mance Rayder was, and Catelyn Stark was, and probably The Hound was.

But we'll see. I'd prefer your opinion, as that would make a better story. I like it better when you never really know.

Experiment 626 wrote:
Dany is the only one who can sit the Iron Throne and bring peace back to Westeros.

It's been implied that in a sense she's basically a reincarnation of Aegon the Conquerer, and Drogon is refered to as Balerion the Black Dread reborn.

As for how she's kind of regressed in ADWD's, almost all of that is because...

Spoiler:

She dismissed Jorah in a moment of anger because she's so confused over her feelings for him.

Keep in mind she was becoming a pretty strong character throughout the 2nd & 3rd books!

Spoiler:

Jon Snow is almost without a doubt Azzi Azor reborn. He is the "the prince who was promised" as referenced in Dany's visions at the House of the Undying, and if you recall the true story of the Lightbringer as told to Davos in book 2, Jon has techinically sacrificed his 'wife' when he allowed Ygritt to die in the Wildling attack on Castle Black.

Tyrion will never be king. Like Varys he's one of the only characters who honestly doesn't want to sit the Iron Throne! He'd make an epic Hand of the Queen to dany though!

Actually, here's what I think might happen;

Spoiler:

Tyrion & Jorah become Dany's other two dragonriders!
Viserion has golden scales, and Tyrion is a true Lannister who's sigil of course is a golden lion. Rheagal on the other hand has green scales and the sigil of House Mormont is a bear black on green

You're preaching to the choir if that was directed at me. Dany is my fav character and I'd love if she did manage to take the Iron Throne. I was only expressing a common opinion, held by others, that she screwed up so massively in ADWD that she became an irredemable character and utterly unfit to rule.

The last point on tyrion n Jorah would be ungodly if that happened and I hoped that would happen in the next book myself. The way power reversals tend to come about in this series it wouldn't be impossible. Although I would add that if it did happen....

Experiment 626 wrote:
Dany is the only one who can sit the Iron Throne and bring peace back to Westeros.

It's been implied that in a sense she's basically a reincarnation of Aegon the Conquerer, and Drogon is refered to as Balerion the Black Dread reborn.

As for how she's kind of regressed in ADWD's, almost all of that is because...

Spoiler:

She dismissed Jorah in a moment of anger because she's so confused over her feelings for him.

Keep in mind she was becoming a pretty strong character throughout the 2nd & 3rd books!

Spoiler:

Jon Snow is almost without a doubt Azzi Azor reborn. He is the "the prince who was promised" as referenced in Dany's visions at the House of the Undying, and if you recall the true story of the Lightbringer as told to Davos in book 2, Jon has techinically sacrificed his 'wife' when he allowed Ygritt to die in the Wildling attack on Castle Black.

Tyrion will never be king. Like Varys he's one of the only characters who honestly doesn't want to sit the Iron Throne! He'd make an epic Hand of the Queen to dany though!

Actually, here's what I think might happen;

Spoiler:

Tyrion & Jorah become Dany's other two dragonriders!
Viserion has golden scales, and Tyrion is a true Lannister who's sigil of course is a golden lion. Rheagal on the other hand has green scales and the sigil of House Mormont is a bear black on green

Isnt bran learning to warg-erise the dragons from the weirwood dude? So technically he will be at least one of the dragonriders.

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
As regards Jon Snow, I'm sure

Spoiler:

he's as dead as Theon was, and Brienne was, and Davos was, and Aegon Targaryen was, and Asha Greyjoy was, and Mance Rayder was, and Catelyn Stark was, and probably The Hound was.

But we'll see. I'd prefer your opinion, as that would make a better story. I like it better when you never really know.

Spoiler:

The fact that technically Catelyn Stark is still wandering around doesn't help that argument (Damn you Thoros of Myrr)

My thoughts exactly.

I voted for Stannis, but I think he'd be much as a hand of the king. He's has the intelligence and rigid code to run a country, but not the personality to lead it.

 Perkustin wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:
Dany is the only one who can sit the Iron Throne and bring peace back to Westeros.

It's been implied that in a sense she's basically a reincarnation of Aegon the Conquerer, and Drogon is refered to as Balerion the Black Dread reborn.

As for how she's kind of regressed in ADWD's, almost all of that is because...

Spoiler:

She dismissed Jorah in a moment of anger because she's so confused over her feelings for him.

Keep in mind she was becoming a pretty strong character throughout the 2nd & 3rd books!

Spoiler:

Jon Snow is almost without a doubt Azzi Azor reborn. He is the "the prince who was promised" as referenced in Dany's visions at the House of the Undying, and if you recall the true story of the Lightbringer as told to Davos in book 2, Jon has techinically sacrificed his 'wife' when he allowed Ygritt to die in the Wildling attack on Castle Black.

Tyrion will never be king. Like Varys he's one of the only characters who honestly doesn't want to sit the Iron Throne! He'd make an epic Hand of the Queen to dany though!

Actually, here's what I think might happen;

Spoiler:

Tyrion & Jorah become Dany's other two dragonriders!
Viserion has golden scales, and Tyrion is a true Lannister who's sigil of course is a golden lion. Rheagal on the other hand has green scales and the sigil of House Mormont is a bear black on green

Isnt bran learning to warg-erise the dragons from the weirwood dude? So technically he will be at least one of the dragonriders.

@Totalwar1402: Dany is far from irredemable, she's simply surrounded at the moment by a bunch of vipers and turncoats who're all looking to use her for their own ends. The only truely 'loyal' companions she has right now are Whitebeard, Belwas & the Unsullied, but none of them can help her 'play the game'.
She's also too guilt-ridden atm due to how she treated Jorah and she's stuck wishing he was back/that she could somehow find him.

There's still the third & final betrayal as well to be revealed...

Once she gets over her teen-crush and realised what a snake he is, we'll see the Dany that oh so enjoyably punished Miri-Maz-Dur again!

If Tyrion & Jorah turn out to be her other two dragonriders, she doesn't nessessarily *have* to marry them. She's not too fond of certain 'family traditions' afterall!
And something else to keep in mind, in book 3, when Jorah repeated 'dracarys', Rheagal gave him a funny look and then proceeded to singe his eyebrows! (and thus far, the dragons don't listen to anyone but Dany...)

 Monster Rain wrote:

 Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
As regards Jon Snow, I'm sure

Spoiler:

he's as dead as Theon was, and Brienne was, and Davos was, and Aegon Targaryen was, and Asha Greyjoy was, and Mance Rayder was, and Catelyn Stark was, and probably The Hound was.

But we'll see. I'd prefer your opinion, as that would make a better story. I like it better when you never really know.

Spoiler:

The fact that technically Catelyn Stark is still wandering around doesn't help that argument (Damn you Thoros of Myrr)

My thoughts exactly.

Spoiler:

Also, someone mentioned the hound earlier. He's not dead.

Tyrions chess game with Aegon is foreshadowing of a different kind. He isnt an idiot like Viserys was, and has been well schooled. He is also strong an intelligent but despite a humble life and a septa to guide him he has become extremely arrogant.
He used his dragon piece in the game rashly and lost it.

I think he is going to die trying to scale the walls of Stormkeep. This will piss off Varys enormously, as all his scemes right up to the murder of have been for his benefit.

Jorah and Tyrion will both get to Daenarys, but remain in the support.

Jon snow will likely evenyually claim one dragon and the third will be taken by the horn. This will lead to a split in dragon power and an eventual bossfight.

I'm not putting any more spoiler tags up, There's a spoiler warning in the OP, and if you read this far, you're getting what you want.

Two of you guys quoted my list of dead earlier and wholly missed the point by pointing out Catelyn wasn't dead. Yes, that was my point. None of them are. Every single one of those characters was, at some point, "dead" and then turned out not to be. I said "and probably "the Hound" in direct reference to the monk angle. For every character actually killed in GoT, 2 more un-died, and there's literally no way that a character like Jon Snow will permanently die. And there's scant evidence he even died to begin with, anyway.

Actually many major characters have died and not come back.

Tywin, Renly, Joffrey, Robb, Kivan, Cdr Mormont, Balon, etc etc I don't expect they are coming back.

Dead Cat doesn't count because she is IMHO undead rather than resurrected.
Brienne never died and it was at least part obvious that she might cling to life and shout 'sword'.
The Hound is a surprise, but GRRM can use all the cliches once each fairly. The Hound is his remorseful warrior joins a monastery character.
Jon is going to be the 100% raised from dead back to new life guy.
Theon would be better off dead.

If someone sits on the Iron Throne I will be upset by the impotence of the apocalypse.

 Orlanth wrote:


Tyrions chess game with Aegon is foreshadowing of a different kind. He isnt an idiot like Viserys was, and has been well schooled. He is also strong an intelligent but despite a humble life and a septa to guide him he has become extremely arrogant.
He used his dragon piece in the game rashly and lost it.

I think he is going to die trying to scale the walls of Stormkeep. This will piss off Varys enormously, as all his scemes right up to the murder of

Spoiler:

Kivan Lannister

have been for his benefit.

Young Aegon is Varys' back-up though. His first choice was Dany, hence why when he sends Jorah his royal pardon he included a rather subtle hint about the assassination attempt and that Jorah needed to stay close to Dany.
He's been forced to put Young Aegon into the spotlight because he's lost track of Dany.

Dany is the true Dragon afterall, and Aegon will no doubt meet a rather messy end!

 Orlanth wrote:
Jorah and Tyrion will both get to Daenarys, but remain in the support.

Jon snow will likely evenyually claim one dragon and the third will be taken by the horn. This will lead to a split in dragon power and an eventual bossfight.

The Champion of Light doesn't get a dragon, he gets the sword Lightbringer instead.

Besides, Dany needs her dragonriders sorted out before she gets to Westeros. "The Dragon has three heads." She must choose two others to become riders. (or rather, I think the dragons themselves will choose their riders)
Jorah is devotedly loyal to Dany, whereas Tyrion can represent the bridging of relations between House Lannister & Targaryan.

And no way will one of Dany's dragons go the Others! They have more than enough bad@$$ery already, considering the worst of them have yet to rear their ugly heads...