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As the title asks, can the FW land raiders be taken as dedicated trans?

No as they arent in the codex under DT entry

MarkyMark wrote:
No as they arent in the codex under DT entry

See, i thought as much. But i read the rules for the basic FW land raider, with none of the FW rules, just a basic land raider and it doesnt say dedicated transport...

It wouldn't. Dedicated Transport isn't a rule of the vehicle as such, it's only found in the unit entry of the unit that can take them.

Land Raiders don't say Dedicated Transport in their rules, the units that can take them (for example Chaos Terminators) say it in their army list entry.

Yes, Terminator Squads may take a land-raider of any type as a dedicated transport. But only terminators can do this.

 Snappenthetwig wrote:
Yes, Terminator Squads may take a land-raider of any type as a dedicated transport. But only terminators can do this.

But only a LR from their codex can be a dedicated transport.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Snappenthetwig wrote:
Yes, Terminator Squads may take a land-raider of any type as a dedicated transport. But only terminators can do this.

But only a LR from their codex can be a dedicated transport.

That would include any legally added models. It says ANY type of land-raider. It states whats armies can take them

 Snappenthetwig wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 Snappenthetwig wrote:
Yes, Terminator Squads may take a land-raider of any type as a dedicated transport. But only terminators can do this.

But only a LR from their codex can be a dedicated transport.

That would include any legally added models. It says ANY type of land-raider. It states whats armies can take them

Only if you ignore the context of the Codex.

Any given codex, when they say 'ANY type of land-raider', are referring to the land raiders within said codex.

Wouldn't stand to reason the codex states ANY type of land-raider to cover future land-raiders variants made legal by GW?

 Snappenthetwig wrote:
Wouldn't stand to reason the codex states ANY type of land-raider to cover future land-raiders variants made legal by GW?

Only if they are errataed into the particular codex.

I can see the argument going both ways, but errataed by who? Games workshop or forgeworld?

Also what of the land raider proteus? Its an elite choice, not a heavy support like the other land raiders, but its still a land raider, so could it be taken as a dedicated transport?

Dragonzord wrote:
I can see the argument going both ways, but errataed by who? Games workshop or forgeworld?

Also what of the land raider proteus? Its an elite choice, not a heavy support like the other land raiders, but its still a land raider, so could it be taken as a dedicated transport?

Either, really, as they're both GW companies.

And no, a codex only ever references items to what is in the codex. They have not ever (that I know of) and will mostly likely never reference anything outside of them. It leaves WAY too much room for interpretation.

 Kevin949 wrote:

Dragonzord wrote:
I can see the argument going both ways, but errataed by who? Games workshop or forgeworld?

Also what of the land raider proteus? Its an elite choice, not a heavy support like the other land raiders, but its still a land raider, so could it be taken as a dedicated transport?

Either, really, as they're both GW companies.

And no, a codex only ever references items to what is in the codex. They have not ever (that I know of) and will mostly likely never reference anything outside of them. It leaves WAY too much room for interpretation.

thats my thoughts exactly... but again, in the FW errata for 6th i read, they dont mention anything about taking normal land raiders, or codex land raiders, as dedicated transports..

I have not bothered to read all the replies. If you are playing 30k some units have access to the land raider Phobos as a DT... it is pretty much your old Mary Sue land raider. I also believe a few units might have access to the Spartan which is a true metal beast .

Only certain armies get certain FW landraiders. the FW entry will list what armies can take the land raider. If you have an army that can take a FW land raider, AND that army has a unit that can take ANY Land Raider as dedicated transports, not just specific ones, then that unit could use the FW Land Raider as a dedicated transport.

Oh, and you opponent also has to allow you to use FW units in the first place.

 Snappenthetwig wrote:
Yes, Terminator Squads may take a land-raider of any type as a dedicated transport. But only terminators can do this.

Quick glance at the BA codex says any Land Raider and then cites a page number. There are 3 LRs on that page. None of them are from Forge World.

barnowl wrote:
Only certain armies get certain FW landraiders. the FW entry will list what armies can take the land raider. If you have an army that can take a FW land raider, AND that army has a unit that can take ANY Land Raider as dedicated transports, not just specific ones, then that unit could use the FW Land Raider as a dedicated transport.

You're confusing what SHOULD be the rules with what actually are the rules. Tell me where it says that you can substitute a FW land Raider for one in the Space Marine (or other) codex. This is a permissive rules set. It tells you what you can do. No where does it say you can do that.

 Snappenthetwig wrote:
Wouldn't stand to reason the codex states ANY type of land-raider to cover future land-raiders variants made legal by GW?

So you want a Chaos Space Marine Land Raider for your true-blue Space Marine terminators?

You are, after all, claiming that ANY entitles you to choose ANY land raider...

Heh. Yeah, I'll take a 220 point Chaos Land Raider for my Terminators. I don't want to pay the extra 30 points for Power of the Machine Spirit!

Or, I'll take a psychic Grey Knight Landraider, please!

Wait, so you're saying that my squads of terminators can't all take Land Raider Achilles' as transports. bummer.

Here is how it works. The pertinent Forge World book will list which armies have access... You are not going to find this in the codices. Remember that your opponent must give you permission to use Forge World.

 Baldsmug wrote:
Wait, so you're saying that my squads of terminators can't all take Land Raider Achilles' as transports. bummer.

As dedicated transports? No.

As a Heavy Support selection (if it lists your codex as an option), sure.

What's the transport capacity of the Achilles anyway? I thought it was something silly like 6 models, or am I confusing it with another Land Raider pattern?

I believe it is 6 indeed.

 kronk wrote:

 Baldsmug wrote:
Wait, so you're saying that my squads of terminators can't all take Land Raider Achilles' as transports. bummer.

As dedicated transports? No.

As a Heavy Support selection (if it lists your codex as an option), sure.

What's the transport capacity of the Achilles anyway? I thought it was something silly like 6 models, or am I confusing it with another Land Raider pattern?

it is six models and i was being facetious. lol.

 Dozer Blades wrote:
. Remember that your opponent must give you permission to use Forge World.

Remember it is BEST that you talk to your opponent about it. The above is a literally wrong reading of the applicable rules

Unless I am mistaken, FW models include a section detailing the part of the FOC they are in.

Under the LR entry, you have written "This blabla LR is a Heavy support choice for this and that army".

I suppose you would find "This LR is a heavy support choice for that army and a dedicated transport for this and that squad".

RAW, I'd say you cannot use FW as dedicated transport.

As everyone says, rule n°1 : talk to your opponent.

BA's cannot take the achilles (which I own and love...) so of course they would be able to get around that by taking it as a DT.

 Seb wrote:
Unless I am mistaken, FW models include a section detailing the part of the FOC they are in.

Under the LR entry, you have written "This blabla LR is a Heavy support choice for this and that army".

I suppose you would find "This LR is a heavy support choice for that army and a dedicated transport for this and that squad".

RAW, I'd say you cannot use FW as dedicated transport.

As everyone says, rule n°1 : talk to your opponent.

Actually in my codex (space wolves) it doesnt say under the land raider section that its a dedicated transport for such and such squad. It says exactly what the forgeworld rules say, its stats, weapons and that its heavy support etc.

It does say under the entry for the only unit that can take LR as dedicated transport that it may take ANY land raider as a dedicated transport. But you'd just assume thats from the codex only.

But again, if FW and GW are the same company, that make the same modelx, then i dont see how its from the codex only if it says on the FW website that it counts as an elite/heavy choice for the army

As i said, it really can be argued both ways.


Edit: oh my god! I just figured out if you double click a post you made, it takes you to edit it! WHAT IS THIS WIZARDRY

barnowl wrote:
Only certain armies get certain FW landraiders. the FW entry will list what armies can take the land raider. If you have an army that can take a FW land raider, AND that army has a unit that can take ANY Land Raider as dedicated transports, not just specific ones, then that unit could use the FW Land Raider as a dedicated transport.

Oh, and you opponent also has to allow you to use FW units in the first place.

Agreed.

Which means Deathwing can take them I believe

The "ask first" cult of this thread need to realise that FW rules are to be considered an addon to Warhammer 40k. Basically what you ask your opponent is "are we playing vanilla 40k or 40k with FW?"