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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 04:51:52
Subject: anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
Indiana
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Seriously i understand right to free speech and all that but it feels like i can't enter a thread that looks interesting or have someone getting excited, without people going out of their way to complain about gw. You don't like a business practice, congratulations. The number of times i have started to enjoy a thread only for someone to derail it with snarky comments, number of times i have a full post ready to go and have to delete it because it is in response to something assinine not the actual topic. That afterwards all my desire to even work on the hobby for the day is gone because of all the negativity. Which is a shame because good contributions are also what gets me excited about working on my models.
I mean what does bitching to us do? If people on here spent half as much energy writing to gw then something might actually get done. It seems like they sense other people enjoying something and just have to degrade their opinions and insult them.
I like the g.i.Joe fliers, i like the Dino bots, and i like most of matt wards fluff. Here comes the insult train. I respect your opinion the least you can do is respect mine.
And for those of you going "well its just some jerk off on the internet why let it bother you", look into any research on the subject. I still see you as and try to treat people online as if they were in person. I don't use anonymity to be a jerk, there are real people i am communicating with.
Does anyone else feel this way, or is it just me?
Rant over
And yes i see the irony of bitching about all the bitching
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 05:00:03
Subject: anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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I completely agree with you. The only silver lining is I like to think that having this venue to vent lessons some of their vitriol at gaming tables, especially with new players.
I know if I was just starting out I'd seriously second guess my decision to sink hundreds of dollars into something that gets people that bitter.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 05:04:58
Subject: anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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Leth wrote:
And yes i see the irony of bitching about all the bitching
Damn, I was going to post just to get this mandatory comment in.
But I do agree. Then again, its not limited to 40K/ GW. Every gaming community I've ever spent time in will inevitably fill up with more complaints about the game than posts discussing the positive aspects.
40k is far from the best game I've ever played, but I love the models and back story too much to give up on it. Well that and I can always play a different rule set with the same models.
There are issues with the game, and issues with GW, but ultimately there's nothing we can do other than write awesome fan dexes to fill in where GW left off.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 05:17:21
Subject: anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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Heroic Senior Officer
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Yep, which is why I'm switching to Bolt Action.
Ok serious answer.
It's the internet.
People will bitch about literally everything on it.
Being anonymous makes people more likely to say things they wouldn't say in public.
Don't believe me? Try hanging out on 4chan sometime.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 05:29:26
Subject: Re:anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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Martial Arts Fiday
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Yes.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 05:29:31
Subject: anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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Making Stuff
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Seriously i understand right to free speech and all that but it feels like i can't enter a thread that looks interesting or have someone complain about a new release, without people going out of their way to praise gw. You like the way they do business, congratulations. The number of times i have started to enjoy a thread only for someone to derail it with fanboy comments, number of times i have a full post ready to go and have to delete it because it is in response to something assinine not the actual topic. That afterwards all my desire to even work on the hobby for the day is gone because of all the people who equate disliking GW with disliking the hobby. Which is a shame because good contributions are also what gets me excited about working on my models.
It works both ways. Different people are looking for different things from these discussions.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 05:44:15
Subject: Re:anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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Fighter Pilot
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It's an internet forum.
People literally come here to whine.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 05:46:59
Subject: Re:anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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Making Stuff
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That's an extremely simplistic view of it.
People come here to discuss their hobby. For some, that discussion may focus more on the negative than the positive... and for others, it's the other way around.
There are very few posters on Dakka who only ever have a negative contribution.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 05:55:12
Subject: Re:anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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Krazed Killa Kan
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Question, do you realize the extraordinary irony in that you are bitching about other people complaining about things.
The only reason you are complaining about this is because you go through the trouble to carefully read and analyze and take into careful consideration every post where someone is complaining on a forum, collect them into a mental stockpile, go through the menial task of taking a tally of said stockpile, and then go and whine about the audacity of said people to place such posts on a forum where you could perchance accidentally glaze your eyes over these acidic, painful words on a webforum.
Here's a tip, first thing:
A) you don't have to read anything on a webforum
B) you don't have to be on the internet
C) if you're tired of constant bitching, log out for a few days, maybe no one will even miss you
D) you can use the Ignore feature for users that you dislike
E) you could even read, but take less seriously the posts that you happen to disagree with so that you don't burst a blood vessel every time one of them comes into contact with your eyeballs
F) the OP is a waste of space and a complete waste of mental processing cycles
This is all aside from the fact of whether any of these people actually have any legitimate grievance or the fact that you're seeing a common complaint over and over again maybe indicating some general consensus.
What a ridiculous thread. Mods?
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Fang, son of Great Fang, the traitor we seek, The laws of the brethren say this: That only the king sees the crown of the gods, And he, the usurper, must die.
Mother earth is pregnant for the third time, for y'all have knocked her up. I have tasted the maggots in the mind of the universe, but I was not offended. For I knew I had to rise above it all, or drown in my own gak. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 05:55:54
Subject: anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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Lead-Footed Trukkboy Driver
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You have to look on the bright side of it. If someone is willing to bitch about it, they are more interested in it than they are in anything else. Its not like GW doesn't have competition, or heck even better game systems out there for people to play, but everyone loves to complain about what they love to play. This means they are still willing to play it.
I honestly feel that its all the bitching about it that keeps people in it sometimes....Its what creates the buzz. a few years ago you never heard much about PP, stuff, but now all you hear is how Widomaker deathstars are so OP, now its getting more and more popular. You hear so much about x unit sucking so bad when Y unit is so much better so everyone goes and gets Y unit.....makes you wonder. I think GW is getting pretty smart about how people feel about the game in specific ways, the internet meta didn't affect the game back in its "glory days" as people call it, where people bought units based on their own mind, now they pay too much attention to what other people tell them. Controlling market purchases through its own customerbase is becoming more and more easier these days.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 06:12:23
Subject: Re:anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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Krazed Killa Kan
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In my opinion, from an activists perspective, when people are telling you about alternate game systems or trying to lead you towards products that are more deserving of your attention, you ought to pay attention to it.
Remember when competition and price wars were a good thing?
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Fang, son of Great Fang, the traitor we seek, The laws of the brethren say this: That only the king sees the crown of the gods, And he, the usurper, must die.
Mother earth is pregnant for the third time, for y'all have knocked her up. I have tasted the maggots in the mind of the universe, but I was not offended. For I knew I had to rise above it all, or drown in my own gak. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 06:56:21
Subject: anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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Lead-Footed Trukkboy Driver
Oklahoma
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yeah the problem i see is that we can't play the people on the net. you got vassal, but thats not models on the table. I tried that with Warmachine a while back, but there isn't much support for it locally as people feel invested into 40k, so they resort to complaining about it.
I only found one fellow player to play warmachine but the rest of the local community wasn't keen on it. Some liked doing malifaux, but it never took off much either. Nothing game wise has as much support as Fantasy/40k crowd does, therefore more people are inclined to buy it.
if everyone plays checkers and you play chess, your pretty much stuck, but if you switch to checkers at least you got people to play with. so you can complain about how much you dislike checkers compared to chess, but it's not always going to change the local crowds feelings on what they like to play.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 07:14:20
Subject: anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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It is a little silly that a bunch of threads are hate threads. Its really silly that alot of the threads turn into hate threads because people dont like the ops view.
But, thats the internet.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 07:16:21
Subject: anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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I'll agree with the OP and in fact that is one of the reasons we keep our show (The independent Characters) "positive". Any criticism we level is aimed at being constructive.
All you can really do though is keep on keepin on. The negativeness of forums such as this will not go away. Just enjoy what you like and forget about the rest. Haters gonna hate as they say.
Of course I'm often accused of being a 40k fan boy so what does my opinion matter?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 07:28:26
Subject: anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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Big Mek in Kustom Dragster with Soopa-Gun
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people complain for the sake of complaining because they either 1) like making a scene for no reason because theyre involved or 2) they like to piss people off by complaining about stupid things.
Ever looked at the League of Legends community? dear god...im glad i left that dump before it got as bad as it is now. They will literally complain for the sole purpose of opening their mouth, nothing else. I think this community is quite calm compared to LoL or other ones ive been in...eesh...lol
People are just way faster at seeing the negative before positive. Most of the time the positive is straight up overlooked because its SUPPOSED to be that way, so noone notices. It happens IRL too. My workshop can go almost a year without a single writeup, incident, or whatever and then we get a single minor infraction and all hell breaks loose. Noone notices we went that long without even a minor issue, which is damn hard when Quality Assurance is being picky and digging around all the time. They just see the fail and immediately think we're garbage.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 07:30:32
Subject: anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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Annoying Groin Biter
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Generally, people will bitch more than praise and I'd advise you become immune in some way. (For your own health)
Also, GW doesn't appear to welcome public opinion with open arms. Show me their link to consumer suggestion E-mail or POX. There's also little to no apparent coordination or effort in effective game balance with the ever famous abhorrent slug line, "We're a model maker over a game company" despite the actual word game being in their name (first word, no less).
While I don't care much about fluff, though I enjoy Phil Kelly's, Matt Ward's codices are the least balanced. Plain and simple, point for point. Hence, the hate wagon rolls on his momentum.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 07:56:40
Subject: anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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The Stab wrote:Generally, people will bitch more than praise and I'd advise you become immune in some way. (For your own health)
Also, GW doesn't appear to welcome public opinion with open arms. Show me their link to consumer suggestion E-mail or POX. There's also little to no apparent coordination or effort in effective game balance with the ever famous abhorrent slug line, "We're a model maker over a game company" despite the actual word game being in their name (first word, no less).
While I don't care much about fluff, though I enjoy Phil Kelly's, Matt Ward's codices are the least balanced. Plain and simple, point for point. Hence, the hate wagon rolls on his momentum.
Matt wards is actually the most consistent of the authors however in his work. In that having him will have interesting rules, and will at least be Mid-Tier ( BA, C: SM), GK is balanced in 6th now even with a few hiccups, Necrons are only strong due to there not being many counters to flyers. Most of his works are usually consistent enough that you can take most options in a slot. Though like Kelly he has some issues with pricing for some things. He also should never be allowed near fantasy ever again due to DoC. He's also the worst fluff writer.
Cruddace is the worst codex author there is at balance, either going to far up, ( IG) or to far down ( SoB, Tyranids). Also having abhorrent pricing on his wargear and otherwise. He's actually made good codex in fantasy, which is surprising considering the stuff he's pulled out in 40k. Guess he's just better suited for it.
Kelly is there with ward, but he's got his share of crap as much of his lists are dictated by "Must Takes" that obviously beat out everything in the slot. High Powered spam lists (Eldar in 4th with skimmerspam that nearly broke all lists, Space wolves), Dark Eldar got hit by 6th, but was an alright codex in 5th, Chaos is a rushed White Dwarf update, and Orks is pretty much his best codex.
Vetock is newer to 40k, but his works in fantasy were sound (OK, OnG) and his first codex in 40k is a very wonderful update to Dark Angels, but we will see how good and consistent he is with his second 40k codex.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 08:18:00
Subject: anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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Annoyed Blood Angel Devastator
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Leth wrote:Seriously i understand right to free speech and all that but it feels like i can't enter a thread that looks interesting or have someone getting excited, without people going out of their way to complain about gw. You don't like a business practice, congratulations. The number of times i have started to enjoy a thread only for someone to derail it with snarky comments, number of times i have a full post ready to go and have to delete it because it is in response to something assinine not the actual topic. That afterwards all my desire to even work on the hobby for the day is gone because of all the negativity. Which is a shame because good contributions are also what gets me excited about working on my models.
I mean what does bitching to us do? If people on here spent half as much energy writing to gw then something might actually get done. It seems like they sense other people enjoying something and just have to degrade their opinions and insult them.
I like the g.i.Joe fliers, i like the Dino bots, and i like most of matt wards fluff. Here comes the insult train. I respect your opinion the least you can do is respect mine.
And for those of you going "well its just some jerk off on the internet why let it bother you", look into any research on the subject. I still see you as and try to treat people online as if they were in person. I don't use anonymity to be a jerk, there are real people i am communicating with.
Does anyone else feel this way, or is it just me?
Rant over
And yes i see the irony of bitching about all the bitching
When failcast and the price hike happened I wrote a polite letter. Encouraged others to do the same. Got no reply from GW so don't know if it was worth it.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 08:29:51
Subject: Re:anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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TedNugent wrote:Question, do you realize the extraordinary irony in that you are bitching about other people complaining about things.
The only reason you are complaining about this is because you go through the trouble to carefully read and analyze and take into careful consideration every post where someone is complaining on a forum, collect them into a mental stockpile, go through the menial task of taking a tally of said stockpile, and then go and whine about the audacity of said people to place such posts on a forum where you could perchance accidentally glaze your eyes over these acidic, painful words on a webforum.
Here's a tip, first thing:
A) you don't have to read anything on a webforum
B) you don't have to be on the internet
C) if you're tired of constant bitching, log out for a few days, maybe no one will even miss you
D) you can use the Ignore feature for users that you dislike
E) you could even read, but take less seriously the posts that you happen to disagree with so that you don't burst a blood vessel every time one of them comes into contact with your eyeballs
F) the OP is a waste of space and a complete waste of mental processing cycles
This is all aside from the fact of whether any of these people actually have any legitimate grievance or the fact that you're seeing a common complaint over and over again maybe indicating some general consensus.
What a ridiculous thread. Mods?
Now that's irony.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 09:10:41
Subject: anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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ZebioLizard2 wrote:
Matt wards is actually the most consistent of the authors however in his work. In that having him will have interesting rules, and will at least be Mid-Tier ( BA, C: SM), GK is balanced in 6th now even with a few hiccups, Necrons are only strong due to there not being many counters to flyers. Most of his works are usually consistent enough that you can take most options in a slot. Though like Kelly he has some issues with pricing for some things. He also should never be allowed near fantasy ever again due to DoC. He's also the worst fluff writer.
Cruddace is the worst codex author there is at balance, either going to far up, ( IG) or to far down ( SoB, Tyranids). Also having abhorrent pricing on his wargear and otherwise. He's actually made good codex in fantasy, which is surprising considering the stuff he's pulled out in 40k. Guess he's just better suited for it.
Kelly is there with ward, but he's got his share of crap as much of his lists are dictated by "Must Takes" that obviously beat out everything in the slot. High Powered spam lists (Eldar in 4th with skimmerspam that nearly broke all lists, Space wolves), Dark Eldar got hit by 6th, but was an alright codex in 5th, Chaos is a rushed White Dwarf update, and Orks is pretty much his best codex.
Vetock is newer to 40k, but his works in fantasy were sound (OK, OnG) and his first codex in 40k is a very wonderful update to Dark Angels, but we will see how good and consistent he is with his second 40k codex.
I've only played since 5th and I was actually waiting for this counter point. So while I may be speaking in ignorance on some points, I will try to articulate better. It is apparent (to me) that most codex authors calibrate their codices to their arbitrary standard in terms game value and function and while they may be consistent to the author, there is a disparity in function when placed together with other authors. It's also unnecessary. Fluff can be given to any author to write but a consistent governing team of designers and balancers could easily be used to determine point values and army rules before publishing V.S. the whims of a single author per army; Especially ones that clearly like to play and design armies in distinctly different ways. Video game designers do this all the time. Not always successfully but my criticism comes with positive intentions in making the game better, ideally. With regards to Ward, you're right, his codices play great against his own, same with Kelly V.S. Kelly. I guess the idea I was trying to state was his armies' level of power in the climate is commonly set at the highest so it's easy to spot him as being the IMBA designer. The main point, again, is lack of coordination to create the best game balance and significantly quell inconsistencies. I feel this can be done by eliminated fluff authors writing rules and point values. I could be wrong but it's not hard to implement. JMO /shrug
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 09:20:47
Subject: anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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Leth wrote:I like the g.i.Joe fliers, i like the Dino bots, and i like most of matt wards fluff. Here comes the insult train. I respect your opinion the least you can do is respect mine.
So do I - although I don't feel dinobots is an appropriate name. The dinobots were awesome - they just look nothing like the 'fiends. I feel that one is more because people like to label things.
But I agree on all your points - It makes me laugh that even with all the gw moaning, we still all talking about GW. No publicity is bad publicity and all that...
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Blacksails wrote:
Its because ordinance is still a word.
However, firing ordinance at someone isn't nearly as threatening as firing ordnance at someone.
Ordinance is a local law, or bill, or other form of legislation.
Ordnance is high caliber explosives.
No 'I' in ordnance.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 09:30:35
Subject: anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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OP, yes I agree. It is very very annoying. If people want to moan, fine, start a thread, start a debate on it, discuss it, or complain.
The problem is that you can garentee that within the first page of any post about a new product from GW someone will make a dig about the cost, or quality, or fluff, or some such. By the second page there will be 2-3 replys to this, and down hill from here.
Anyone who disagrees with these 10 or so people who are always the ones complaining gets shouted down. Even if all you say is "Thanks guys, yes we know, but we want to talk about the product" you get accused of white kinghting.
It is very annoying having to trawl through pages and pages of the same old people bitching about the same old thing and making the same old snide jokes. The shouting down has even happend in this thread... Do we realy need on every new codex roumor "Oh I bet Ward is writting it. Its going to be bad because Ward is writting it."?
I won't go on any more as it will just turn in to a bitch.
Oh, and there is nothing ironic starting a new thread complaining about people hijacking threads with bitching.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 09:36:37
Subject: Re:anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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With regards to Ward, you're right, his codices play great against his own, same with Kelly V.S. Kelly. I guess the idea I was trying to state was his armies' level of power in the climate is commonly set at the highest so it's easy to spot him as being the IMBA designer. The main point, again, is lack of coordination to create the best game balance and significantly quell inconsistencies. I feel this can be done by eliminated fluff authors writing rules and point values. I could be wrong but it's not hard to implement. JMO /shrug
The problem is, you would have to disregard the other top codexes, by Kelly and Cruddace, to come to this conclusion. in 5th, All of Ward's books were fairly balanced, except for GK. Space Wolves and IG were dominating the tournament scene for years before GK came out, and they still are in 6th, while GK swapped spots with Necrons. In reality, they all three have armies that are at the top of the power curve. The problem is Ward just has a massive hate bandwagon that follows him no matter what he does, that has developed since his fluff on the 5th edition SM codex, so he often gets far more vitriol thrown at him, than he deserves. People also tend to ignore the other authors mistakes, and often focus on him because of this bandwagon.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 09:53:30
Subject: anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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Well then, eliminating all names from the argument, the last two sentences of my argument still stand. Excluding acronyms and emotions.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 10:30:35
Subject: Re:anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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In the 6 months I`ve been into 40K I`ve already seen enough whining to last me a lifetime. Granted, there is plenty of basis for said bitching but it grows old really fast. GW just has a monopoly on their own game and that
brings all the market dominance issues that are regurgitated every week. Still, I think you guys and gals can learn a thing or two from historical scale modeling in the whining department.
Anyone familiar with DML will have heard that their kits are severy overpriced, incredibly complicated, narrow-focused (if it`s not a german WWII vehicle, don`t expect accuracy) and that the instructions are very poorly edited and often flawed. THe fact that said company single-handedly created an environment in which companies will do proper research and go to extra lenghts to put out some of the most accurate kits ever produced is often ignored. WIthout them having raised the bar so high, expecting a new kit from an interwar soviet T-24 with lots of fine and accurate detail would be unthinkable.
I also like those price discussions about how the newest big kit is so costly. Try this on for size: you want to build a 1/35 Elefant Tank Destroyer. Ohh look, Tamiya recently made a very nice and buildable kit for only $90,-. But since it`s Tamiya, some detail will be simplified or missing and we won`t have any of that. so we throw in $50,- worth of Photo-Etch, $15,- for a turned brass barrel that is more finely detailed and another $40,- for white metal indy tracks to replicate that nice track sag. Ohh and you want some crew to make it look nice and lively: $20,-. That`s over $200,- for a static display model. No base, no paints, no special tools. Just that. Given what we do with models and the amount of use they see, I think their prices really aren`t the worst out there. GW Expensive? Definitely, but for that price we get beat on our stuff for quite a long time. They certainly can take a lot more abuse than waverthin brass fenders. (Also, anyone who bitches about it taking so long to do the tracks on a Leman Russ: I dare you, I double dare you motherfether to drill, pin and assemble two entire trackruns of white metal tracks for a churchill or a tiger. Then come talk to me about how much work you have).
Historical modelers can also bitch better about kits. I recently saw a beautiful build that a magazine writer did for a build-up review. One criticism he got was that his model only looked so good because he could afford a flashy new expensive kit. If you think that`s bad, here`s a nice little thread about some box-art that isn`t considered quite accurate.
I understand perfectly that not everything is all sunshine and rainbows all the time, but bithcing really seems like it`s becoming the Internet`s #1 occupation right now. Perhaps it`s because we have too much time on our hands. perhaps it satisfies a deeply needed urge from our inner monkeys to establish alpha and omega within an ever globally expanding social social structure...perhaps we just need to spend more time on our workbench and gametables to improve our skills and enjoy our hobbies.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 11:10:28
Subject: anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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Oberstleutnant
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In this thread, people bitching about people bitching because people bitching isn't bitchin'. Yo dawg....
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 12:16:42
Subject: Re:anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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Dogged Kum
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TedNugent wrote:Question, do you realize the extraordinary irony in that you are bitching about other people complaining about things.
The only reason you are complaining about this is because you go through the trouble to carefully read and analyze and take into careful consideration every post where someone is complaining on a forum, collect them into a mental stockpile, go through the menial task of taking a tally of said stockpile, and then go and whine about the audacity of said people to place such posts on a forum where you could perchance accidentally glaze your eyes over these acidic, painful words on a webforum.
Here's a tip, first thing:
A) you don't have to read anything on a webforum
B) you don't have to be on the internet
C) if you're tired of constant bitching, log out for a few days, maybe no one will even miss you
D) you can use the Ignore feature for users that you dislike
E) you could even read, but take less seriously the posts that you happen to disagree with so that you don't burst a blood vessel every time one of them comes into contact with your eyeballs
F) the OP is a waste of space and a complete waste of mental processing cycles
This is all aside from the fact of whether any of these people actually have any legitimate grievance or the fact that you're seeing a common complaint over and over again maybe indicating some general consensus.
TedNugent wrote:In my opinion, from an activists perspective, when people are telling you about alternate game systems or trying to lead you towards products that are more deserving of your attention, you ought to pay attention to it.
Remember when competition and price wars were a good thing?
Yay to both.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 12:37:02
Subject: anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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Servoarm Flailing Magos
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Bitching is a healthy stance to take with a company. Complacancy leads them to believe they are doing everything right.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 13:01:38
Subject: Re:anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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Irked Blood Angel Scout with Combat Knife
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please don't post things like this on Dakka.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/06 14:27:32
Subject: anyone else get tired of the constant bitching?
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Bounding Ultramarine Assault Trooper
Dawsonville GA
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Yea I am sick of it.
People take bitching about GW to a whole new level, it is like some sick art form to some of the fans. I originally came to this site b/c it was a lot better than other 40k sites with less bitching but that went away quick now it is the same so I frequent tother non-GW game forums much more.
I see nothing like the levesl of bitching on the RPG or boardgame forums I visit as I do here. Also, there is nothign wrong with complaining but it is the people who do so non-stop and still buy GW's products that blow my mind.
But what you have to remember is that there are a lot of teenage kids and emotionally immature adults on here plus there are a lot of people who have agenda's and axes to grind.
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