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 d-usa wrote:
What does any if this have to do with illegal immigrants making me my lunch?

They better not put any sand in my lunch! I'll call the sheriff!

 d-usa wrote:
What does any if this have to do with illegal immigrants making me my lunch?

It started with another Arpaio antic. This time him along with Steven Seagal are taking volunteers into a "posse" and letting them loose as armed guards for schools.

Which was already talked about, in one of our many gun threads, and is totally off topic for this thread.

Sorry I don't follow every gun thread. Thought it was relevant seeing as its the same guy pulling the same "taking action" antics, but since you say it's not related it must not be. Apologies.

 d-usa wrote:
What does any if this have to do with illegal immigrants making me my lunch?

I liked it when we were talking about spanking it to Hannah Montana.

She's 18 now, right?

Just looked she's 21 almost!

 Grey Templar wrote:
We're talking about kids getting killed here. If that can be prevented its totally worth it..

Dangerous line of thinking there.

Mattman154 wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
We're talking about kids getting killed here. If that can be prevented its totally worth it..

Dangerous line of thinking there.

All kids under the age of 18 must now be wrapped in bubble wrap at all times. We're talking about kids getting killed here. If that can be prevented its totally worth it.

 Frazzled wrote:

Mattman154 wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
We're talking about kids getting killed here. If that can be prevented its totally worth it..

Dangerous line of thinking there.

All kids under the age of 18 must now be wrapped in bubble wrap at all times. We're talking about kids getting killed here. If that can be prevented its totally worth it.

Quick... buy up all shares for the bubble wrap making companies!

But what if one child somewhere chokes on bubble wrap?

Ban bubble wrap! IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN!

Mattman154 wrote:
But what if one child somewhere chokes on bubble wrap?

Ban bubble wrap! IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN!

Ban children! ITS FOR THE CHILDREN!

 Frazzled wrote:

Mattman154 wrote:
But what if one child somewhere chokes on bubble wrap?

Ban bubble wrap! IT'S FOR THE CHILDREN!

Ban children! ITS FOR THE CHILDREN!

Reminds me of Bulvaria

 Grey Templar wrote:
Yes there was. A pretty cool one too. He seems like an all around great guy.

Seagal is kind of notorious as a feth head, actually. He's got multiple sexual assault claims against him. And unlike all the other guys who got famous for pretending to beat up other people, Seagal was notoriously difficult to work with, taking over production and script writing. Say what you like about the douchebaggery and general craziness of guys like Van Damme and Norris, but at least they turned up on time, said what was written on the page and pretended to kick who they were told to kick.


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 Grey Templar wrote:
Thats just disgusting. "Its not statistically significant"

Look at the numbers for people who died in housefires, realise that if just 1% of them were kids, that's almost 5,000 dead kids. Think about the regulations and reforms that could be put in place to save those kids.

Then realise those reforms cost money, and that's why they don't exist.

Now consider how much it costs, year in year out, to put a guy with a gun in every single school. Then please kindly stop your moralising bs, and start dealing with real world numbers.


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 Grey Templar wrote:
You think there's going to be just one guard?

And my point still stands about a school shooter looking for easy prey, not one that can shoot back.

If that were true, then when the schools are protected they'll just go to the next place where no-one is armed. A workplace, or a restaurant. You don't solve the problem, just move it somewhere else. Until, of course, absolutely everywhere has multiple people with guns protecting it.

Your proposed solution, quite frankly, isn't remotely sane and has exactly zero chance of actually happening. It's just bs from the gun lobby, proposing something else, anything else, to deflect from the issue of increasing gun regulations.


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 Grey Templar wrote:
Its better than nothing.

And why not Steven Seagal? He's a real Sheriff and expert martial arts instructor. So what if he's also an actor?

Seagal is well known because he's not just an actor. He's the real deal. Lets protect our kids.

There's no shortage of trained, professional law enforcement officers out there. Many have decades of experience in training, and proven track records in running excellent academies.

That you see an obvious publicity stunt like this and think 'yeah, finally our kids will be getting the protection they need' is just staggering.


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 Grey Templar wrote:
Corner cases again.

Oh for feth's sake. You make some moralising nonsense post about how the miniscule number of kids killed in school shootings must be solved no matter the cost because 'kids!'... but then when its pointed out that guns are more likely to accidentally shoot a kid than to stop a shooter, it's a corner case.


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 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
You seem to be concentrating on Seagal as an actor, and not whether he can shoot well enough to be an instructor. He is a reserve Deputy Sheriff in Louisiana (where he has a second home) and he graduated from a police academy in California over twenty years ago as well as holding the relevant qualifications in law enforcement for his role. In light of this do you believe that he is not qualified to instruct officers?

You seriously gonna sit there and say that when looking for the best individual to train their guards, the best they could come up with was a Deputy Sheriff who graduated 20 years ago, and has worked in law enforcement since on a part time basis at most?

You honestly saying that's why Seagal was picked?

Or maybe because he's a celebrity, of sorts, and they spied a press stunt?

I think I'd be homeschooling my kids before I sent them to a school that resembled an armed camp. Too much chance for accident outweighing a random shooter appearing.

 sebster wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Yes there was. A pretty cool one too. He seems like an all around great guy.

Seagal is kind of notorious as a feth head, actually. He's got multiple sexual assault claims against him. And unlike all the other guys who got famous for pretending to beat up other people, Seagal was notoriously difficult to work with, taking over production and script writing. Say what you like about the douchebaggery and general craziness of guys like Van Damme and Norris, but at least they turned up on time, said what was written on the page and pretended to kick who they were told to kick.

It is a bit off topic, and to D-usa I apologize, but speaking as someone who used to be really into Aikido years ago, I can't let this line of discussion pass.

Within the Aikido community, Seagal is notorious for marrying his sensei’s daughter, then after he got fast-tracked in rank and eventually inherited the dojo, left her when he felt like returning to America to try to get famous. He then, as we all know, got famous in movies, married our 80s heartthrob Kelly LeBrock, got divorced (and a third divorce along the way) after mistreating her, had his action movie career downslide, and finally became a fat guy on a reality show. Not to be too derogatory toward him, or anything. I’m sure he’s a lovely man and well-qualified to safeguard America’s schools.

Back on topic, Arpaio is a similarly self-aggrandizing tool, so I'm not at all surprised to see the two associated.

Unless this posse constantly trains with the frequency of the military or police, there is a higher likely hood of a cross fire and better chance of getting shot by the very guys trying to protect you. You also have to factor that shooters will have the element of surprise. Much like the attempted assassination attempt on President Regan and he had secret service agents who are highly trained.

http://youtu.be/8QjZY3WiO9s

 thehod wrote:
Unless this posse constantly trains with the frequency of the military or police, there is a higher likely hood of a cross fire and better chance of getting shot by the very guys trying to protect you. You also have to factor that shooters will have the element of surprise. Much like the attempted assassination attempt on President Regan and he had secret service agents who are highly trained.

http://youtu.be/8QjZY3WiO9s

You misunderstand. Most police do not "constantly train." Most police only take an annual qualifier and can't shoot their way out of a barn. Thats changing in many areas. Evidently not NYC though.

 Frazzled wrote:

 thehod wrote:
Unless this posse constantly trains with the frequency of the military or police, there is a higher likely hood of a cross fire and better chance of getting shot by the very guys trying to protect you. You also have to factor that shooters will have the element of surprise. Much like the attempted assassination attempt on President Regan and he had secret service agents who are highly trained.

http://youtu.be/8QjZY3WiO9s

You misunderstand. Most police do not "constantly train." Most police only take an annual qualifier and can't shoot their way out of a barn. Thats changing in many areas. Evidently not NYC though.

Or in California.

I'm not sure what is worse. That they were shooting at everybody in a pickup truck, or that they were barely able to hit anybody that they were shooting at.