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So my question is this: flyers (vendettas specifically) come with a 120mm base in a oval shape, however I realllllllly like this base

http://www.dragonforge.com/for%20sale%20images/dforge%20items%20for%20sale/Gaming%20bases/crux%20machina%20rlb/120mm%20crux%20machine%20round%20lip%20base%201%201.jpg

And I want to use it for my flyer instead. Legal or no?

In friendly games If your opponents are cool with it then its all good.

For tourney's ask a TO.

My understanding (which is probably wrong) is that flyer bases don't really matter, mechanically. You can't punch them out of the sky, so base-to-base for assault isn't an issue.

Also, in the BRB, it says models that fit under the flyer can hang out under the flyer.

Now, if it's a skimmer, that might be a different story.

It does matter with regards to where the flyer can move.

Now this is only a tiny difference, so in general I would have no issues with it. For tournaments ask the TO.

Yeah it matters in the case of movement and the 1" rule. I would get some plasticard and trace the oval flyer base shape and cut it out.

If it becomes an issue in a game or tourney, stick your base ontop with some double sided tape that way you can have the accurate size shape just for gaming purposes and still have the cool base on your flyer.

Matters for transports like the Stormraven since they disembark in base contact.

That is a beautiful base though. Is it bigger than the oval? otherwise you could make an inset to place the round base inside the oval and play it in that when you go tourneys.

Matney X wrote:

Also, in the BRB, it says models that fit under the flyer can hang out under the flyer.

You can't place models under the flyer. You can move models over the flyer base (as if it were flat terrain).

 illuknisaa wrote:

Matney X wrote:

Also, in the BRB, it says models that fit under the flyer can hang out under the flyer.

You can't place models under the flyer. You can move models over the flyer base (as if it were flat terrain).

page 80

Models that fit physically under a flyer model can move beneath it. Likewise, a Flyer can end its move over such models. However, when moving this way, enemy models must still remain 1" away from the base of the Flyer, and the Flyer cannot end its move with the base within 1" of other enemy models

Right - that allows you to move beneath it. That does not allow you to stop on its base.

 AirborneGinger wrote:


And I want to use it for my flyer instead. Legal or no?

Against your friends and down at the FLGS? Not a problem, but I would imagine it'll be a cast iron 'no' from most tournaments. I would recommend setting it up so you can use both.

Flyer bases are significant for:
- Being able to place them & compulsory moves. One of the tactics to tackle a flyer is by controlling the board. This can actually kill flyers so an inch here or there is significant.
- Hover mode. In hover mode, units can assault flyers by either moving into contact with the base or the hull.
- Same goes from transport capacity, the base can really effect its impact on the board.

Its all minor, pedantic stuff but in a tournament the point is a level playing field.

It would also create a problem when the Valkyrie in question uses Hover Mode, as the base is then used for assaulting.

rigeld2 wrote:
Right - that allows you to move beneath it. That does not allow you to stop on its base.

So what do you do if "a flyer ends its movement over such models." as the BRB says you can?

it is obvious with enemy models so I am asking about friendly models of course.

The BRB does not allow the base to end over such models.
Other parts of the hull that are not over the base (wings, etc) can end the flyer's movement over such models.

 illuknisaa wrote:
You can move models over the flyer base (as if it were flat terrain).

No you can not. The flyers base is not terrain so you can not move models over it (Unless they are Jump infantry etc...)

It would also matter in the case of the hell turkey as its weapons are measured from the base now.

Also that is a glorious base.

 DeathReaper wrote:

 illuknisaa wrote:
You can move models over the flyer base (as if it were flat terrain).

No you can not. The flyers base is not terrain so you can not move models over it (Unless they are Jump infantry etc...)

Page 80 would seem to disagree with you.


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rigeld2 wrote:
The BRB does not allow the base to end over such models.
Other parts of the hull that are not over the base (wings, etc) can end the flyer's movement over such models.

The book says that the base "is effectively ignored" except in certain cases.

If I am ignoring the base, then i am to act as if it is not there. So why can't I sit under my flyer and on top of my base?

40k-noob wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:

 illuknisaa wrote:
You can move models over the flyer base (as if it were flat terrain).

No you can not. The flyers base is not terrain so you can not move models over it (Unless they are Jump infantry etc...)

Page 80 would seem to disagree with you.


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rigeld2 wrote:
The BRB does not allow the base to end over such models.
Other parts of the hull that are not over the base (wings, etc) can end the flyer's movement over such models.

The book says that the base "is effectively ignored" except in certain cases.

If I am ignoring the base, then i am to act as if it is not there. So why can't I sit under my flyer and on top of my base?

P. 80 says the base "is effectively ignored" except in certain cases in the Flyers and Measuring section. Movement on top of a base is not measuring...

Also the base is not terrain. Models can only move through terrain.

Page 90 establishes that the battlefield is made up of 3 kinds of terrain (Open, Difficult, and Impassible). The rules for deployment state you must deploy on the board (P.121). There is no rule that allows you to move through another model or its base.

 DeathReaper wrote:


Also the base is not terrain. Models can only move through terrain.

Page 90 establishes that the battlefield is made up of 3 kinds of terrain (Open, Difficult, and Impassible). The rules for deployment state you must deploy on the board (P.121). There is no rule that allows you to move through another model or its base.

This doesn't matter if the flyer base is ignored.

Page 80 says "Models that fit physically under a flyer model can move beneath it."

The book tells you to ignore the base and then goes on to tell you that if a model can fit then that model can move beneath it.

It is pretty clear that you can have models move over the base of your own flyer. IMO, they can even sit there.

And as has been pointed out, the passage that tells you to ignore the base is in the "Flyers And Measuring" section of the rules. Therefore you only use those rules when measuring to or from a flyer.

40k-noob wrote:

 DeathReaper wrote:


Also the base is not terrain. Models can only move through terrain.

Page 90 establishes that the battlefield is made up of 3 kinds of terrain (Open, Difficult, and Impassible). The rules for deployment state you must deploy on the board (P.121). There is no rule that allows you to move through another model or its base.

This doesn't matter if the flyer base is ignored.

Page 80 says "Models that fit physically under a flyer model can move beneath it."

The book tells you to ignore the base and then goes on to tell you that if a model can fit then that model can move beneath it.

It is pretty clear that you can have models move over the base of your own flyer. IMO, they can even sit there.

You have no allowance to jump over the base or land there This causes problems. Lets say you are allowed to sit on a Flyers base, what happens when the flyer moves 24 inches leaving the table, entering ongoing reserves, and there is a guy from a unit on top of the base, the guy is now out of coherency and off the table. What happens? Rules qoutes or page/graph please.

They really can not move over or sit on a flyers base.

They mention moving beneath the flyer, but they do not give permission to move over or land on the flyers base.

The base is not terrain, and models can only move through terrain.

What you are claiming would mean that if a Rhino was parked under the Flyers wing, a different model could move onto the Rhino, which of course, is not the case and leads to all sorts of rules issues.

Plus P. 30 says "Models falling back from a combat can freely mo\re through all enemy models that were involved in that combat (they have already missed the chance to catch them) This is an exception to the normal rules for moving that state that a model cannot move through a space occupied by another model."

The normal rules for moving state that "a model cannot move through a space occupied by another model."

The base is a part of a model, and as such you can not move through that space.

i think ill just order an extra flight stand and use the ugly old black base if anyone complains. thanks for the input!

 AirborneGinger wrote:
i think ill just order an extra flight stand and use the ugly old black base if anyone complains. thanks for the input!

Well, yeah, if you wanna go and be all logical and sane about it!