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Then what? Obviously it ruins the Imperium's day but from the Hive Mind's point of view, does it mean the various fleets lose purpose? Do they continue to devour the galaxy but in a disorganised way?

Or what if the Emperor dies before they get there? Does their push lose focus?

Theres about 500 other threads on this.

 kinratha wrote:
Theres about 500 other threads on this.

I got 0 results so what do you want me to do?

Forge onward.

The psychic presence of the emperor may draw them to Terra but there are plenty of other snacks to enjoy out there.

There are previous discussions to be found on this here, if you'd like to peruse them:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/429261.page

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/358752.page

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/342822.page

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/378221.page

Don't bump any of those threads though, they're all super old and it would be threadcromancy; use this one instead.

Probably already been mentioned, but what if the eldar where to help?as in several craftworlds behind the scenes destroying defences...

a b3ached whal3 wrote:
Probably already been mentioned, but what if the eldar where to help?as in several craftworlds behind the scenes destroying defences...

If i'm understanding this statement correctly, you mean the Eldar sabotaging the defenses of Terra? To benefit the Tyranids? Have you read any of the Tyranid fluff, Eldar got screwed big time by them. Malan'Tai WAS a craftworld, now there is a Tyranid special character called the Doom of Malan'Tai, no need to put 2 and 2 together there for you.

If there is one single threat in the 40k universe, so grave as to unite the imperium and xenos, it is the Tyranids.

a b3ached whal3 wrote:
Probably already been mentioned, but what if the eldar where to help?as in several craftworlds behind the scenes destroying defences...

I guess if they want daemons to spill into real space unchecked.

No, as in orchestrating the fall of the imperium.

a b3ached whal3 wrote:
No, as in orchestrating the fall of the imperium.

I think the Eldar probably realise the Imperium is the lesser of the two evils in this matter, as the Imperium isn't going to try to eat their babies.

The day the Tyranids get to Terra is the day the Tyranid species goes extinct.

BlaxicanX wrote:
The day the Tyranids get to Terra is the day the Tyranid species goes extinct.

If a couple of fleets got there they'd be destroyed, but if the hive mind makes its move on terra it will be a full scale co-ordinaries assault of all fleets. Do you not think that the hive fleets at the minute aren't just sharks circling their prey?

Nids move too slow to get to terra en mass. Half their fleet would either go into hibernation or eat the other half before they even got there- something we've seen already when part of Kraken (?) went into hibernation after avoiding that Tomb World.

Remember, the bigger the Tyranid force, the more biomass they need just to stay active.

edit- Though I do wonder about that part of the fluff. Why would a tendril go into hibernation out of biomass starvation, when the entire fleet somehow managed to travel there from another Galaxy?

BlaxicanX wrote:
The day the Tyranids get to Terra is the day the Tyranid species goes extinct.

This.

Terra is the most heavily defended planet in the Imperium. Not just Terra - entire Sol System is fortress that makes Cadia look like a little baby in comparison.

And Macragge was the shining home world of Matt Wards butt buddies held by a ''god of war'' and tactical genius. With the ''best chapter'' protecting it, look what happened there? Almost beaten by a single hive fleet.

I agree if the terra had time to amass the QUADRILLIONS of imperial guard to defend it might win (but more biomass after all...) and every world in the sol system would be a fight worse then Macragge but if the tyranids came in force. And i mean in total force, they could over whelm the terra. Or worse, if they got there before the QUADRILLIONS of imperial guard and marines then the massive shadow in the warp would block out the astrominicion for the entire universe. Thats like half the imperial assets lost in the warp. Good luck defending it now.

Personaly I think that once the Nid's get close enough to mars to notice the Void Dragon they will have a very tough choice.

We know that Nid's will go a long way to avoid any contact with Necrons or C'tan. They may get to within a few light years and decide that the pull of Terra is just not enough.

An interesting point, if you soak a light bulb in bug repelent will the moths still come?

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
And Macragge was the shining home world of Matt Wards butt buddies held by a ''god of war'' and tactical genius. With the ''best chapter'' protecting it, look what happened there? Almost beaten by a single hive fleet.

0_0 very poor comparison.....

Macragge was protected by poorly equipped merchant fleet, Macragge PDF and undermanned Ultramarines chapter ( I know only about 3 companies being there at that time ).
And even with this small forces they were able to defeat the Nids on the ground, and when Segmentum Tempestus fleet arrived it was all over for Tyranids. Imperium was able to win that battle with so little forces...

Now let us see at Sol System defenses: Imperial Fists fortress monastery, ADEPTUS CUSTODES, at least 3 Sisters of Battle covenants, Terra PDF ( rumored to be one of the best equipped and trained in the Imperium ), SEGEMNTUM SOLAR FLEET, ADEPTUS MECAHNICUS FLEET, MARS TITAN LEGIONS ( with capital S because they have more then one stationed there ), various Assassins, GREY KNIGHTS, LUNA ( while reading the fluff it was mentioned that Luna has some gigantic weapon that is able to obliterate entire fleets, so in short 40k Moon = Death Star ) orbital stations, Terra orbital stations, Jupiter orbital stations ( and also the main shipyards for the Imperial Navy, more than heavily defended ) and many others...

This is just from the top of my head, and I am sure that when words came out of attack that the other nearest Imperial forces will rush to assist.

So the quote from BlaxicanX was indeed true: "The day the Tyranids get to Terra is the day the Tyranid species goes extinct.". With this kind of defense Tyranid would have to eat half of Imperium to breach Sol System's defenses. Same goes for every other foe - even Orks.

For now at least - Sol System is pinnacle of galactic defense. It was so reinforced after Horus Heresy just for that one reason - to never allow anyone to assail her and to endanger the Emperor's life.

I agree if the Terra had time to amass the QUADRILLIONS of imperial guard to defend it might win (but more biomass after all...) and every world in the sol system would be a fight worse then Macragge but if the tyranids came in force. And i mean in total force, they could over whelm the Terra. Or worse, if they got there before the QUADRILLIONS of imperial guard and marines then the massive shadow in the warp would block out the astrominicion for the entire universe. Thats like half the imperial assets lost in the warp. Good luck defending it now.

I never know that Astronomicon covers entire universe, I thought that it's reach was 50.000 light years
And I seriously doubt that Shadow of the Warp is powerful enough to block the Astronomicon at his source. It would need to be quite wonderful to do that, individual systems thousands of light years away like so far - yes. The Sol System itself - no.

Tomb world avoidance was part of the pre-reimagined Necrons, the new 'personality' necrons don't get that get out of jail free card and tyranids will indeed make planetfall and devour their worlds. So that's a point in their favor.

Points against them, however, in the new tyranid background, are significant. They burn out quickly now, if they wake and cannot feed fast enough, they starve, turn on themselves and die out. They cannot move nearly as fast due to this (crappy imo) method of space travel where they use a little scout ship to draw the rest of the fleet in, avoiding warp travel.

So the tyranid take an age to get there and are utterly incapable of fighting wars of attrition for any length of time, they use up too much energy trying to evolve and pumping out troops and then die off of exhaustion.

Basically, in the cases of both the necrons and the nids, it was decided in the GW design studio that both had stolen the thunder from Chaos as the 'doomsday badguy'. So both took a significant background nerf to bring them into a secondary place to the Dark Gods.

If the hive fleets were to finally get to terra, they'd start burning themselves up as they would not all arrive in a supermass but in wave after wave, hitting the defences of the capitol of the Imperium, center of the Mechanicus and home system of the Grey Knights. All the might of the imperium would turn from what it was doing and go to the aid of their god and their homeworld.

The hive fleets and splinter fleets arriving in waves after wave would be like throwing eggs at a brick wall.

If they get to TERRA that means they've fought through the entire solar system's defence network and all the marines guards and ordos forces and the billions of zealots that would of travelled to the solar system to defend the imperial palace, after that the imperium would die unless starchild happens, they would have nothing but bare bones left to defend whatever they had left which would rapidly fold under pressure as the other factions would definitely leap on this opportunity to try and strike a killing blow on those sectors left

Why wouldn't the shadow in the warp over come the astrominicion? Especially if there were enougth tyranids to feasibly be a threat to the terra. Neither of us have any sources to prove our claims, as i dont believe anyone has tryed to block the astromincion before. But we know that tyranids can block psycik powers and block out the astrominicion. So if we conclude that it is like throwing a blanket of a system, well you can throw a blanket over a light bulb to block out the light to the room, or you can put the blanket over an area of the room to blovk out the light to there. Does that make sense or am i crazy? Well im not, my mother had me tested

This means that a huge amount of imperial troops would be lost in the warp, any many of the chapters. Its quite possible that the entire grey knights chapter heads would explode because of the massive shadow, and even if they dont they're psykic powers would be both dangerous and dampened. Also the seer amount of Navhals arriving in system would create LOADS of natural destasters, earthquakes, volcanoes ( which mars is riddled with) and tsunami's across the system. The shadow also means effective communication between ships is impossible.

In other words the tyranids are bouncing on the shadow doing most of there work for them. Lazy tyranids

Isn't it common knowledge that the currently known Hive Fleets are thought to be scouts for a bigger force? Tyranids en masse, totally committed to wiping one planet, will wipe that one planet. It does not matter which it is.

I am pretty heavily biased in that opinion, admittedly.

hubbsey wrote:
Isn't it common knowledge that the currently known Hive Fleets are thought to be scouts for a bigger force? Tyranids en masse, totally committed to wiping one planet, will wipe that one planet. It does not matter which it is.
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Thats one theory about the nids, another is that they are fleeing from some other bigger threat, either as a scout force looking for a new haven or what we have is pretty much all that's left.

In the end we don't know and GW will never say


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 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Why wouldn't the shadow in the warp over come the astrominicion? Especially if there were enougth tyranids to feasibly be a threat to the terra. Neither of us have any sources to prove our claims, as i dont believe anyone has tryed to block the astromincion before. But we know that tyranids can block psycik powers and block out the astrominicion. So if we conclude that it is like throwing a blanket of a system, well you can throw a blanket over a light bulb to block out the light to the room, or you can put the blanket over an area of the room to blovk out the light to there. Does that make sense or am i crazy? Well im not, my mother had me tested

My assumption was that the scramble to Terra would happen before the shadow arrived (The imperium being able to work out the trajectory of the hive fleets and reacting in time)

I'm also don't know how the shadow in the warp affects warp travel but I can't imagine it being good

Then's theres always the outside possibility the corpse on the throne channels energy into trying to counter the shadow with any possible outcome

a b3ached whal3 wrote:
No, as in orchestrating the fall of the imperium.

Terra falls, the Emperor does as well. Without the Emperor, Chaos and Daemons are free to spill into real space, ensuring the galaxy is fethed, not to mention the defences at Cadia fail, meaning Abaddon can run rampant from the Eye of Terror.

So if the Eldar want to commit suicide by killing the Imperium, sure.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Why wouldn't the shadow in the warp over come the astrominicion? Especially if there were enougth tyranids to feasibly be a threat to the terra. Neither of us have any sources to prove our claims, as i dont believe anyone has tryed to block the astromincion before. But we know that tyranids can block psycik powers and block out the astrominicion. So if we conclude that it is like throwing a blanket of a system, well you can throw a blanket over a light bulb to block out the light to the room, or you can put the blanket over an area of the room to blovk out the light to there. Does that make sense or am i crazy? Well im not, my mother had me tested

This means that a huge amount of imperial troops would be lost in the warp, any many of the chapters. Its quite possible that the entire grey knights chapter heads would explode because of the massive shadow, and even if they dont they're psykic powers would be both dangerous and dampened. Also the seer amount of Navhals arriving in system would create LOADS of natural destasters, earthquakes, volcanoes ( which mars is riddled with) and tsunami's across the system. The shadow also means effective communication between ships is impossible.

In other words the tyranids are bouncing on the shadow doing most of there work for them. Lazy tyranids

No.

IMO this is pointless. No one is going to be right cos GW will never say but however I can't resist throwing in my two cents so my vote goes with the nids. A small tendril isolated an eldar planet from the psychic connection or something like that so if the full force did make it to terra then I beleive they can block the astronomican making warp travel useless entire regiments will be lost. The narvals will badly cripple defences. If nids make planet fall then terra is screwed. It's only hope is to blast the nids in space

However, the Hive Mind has never tried to tangle with the God-Emperor directly. This bug-brain might find its bitten off more than it can chew.

So, sure, the Warp might be a mess, preventing reinforcements from arriving... but then every Tyranid bio-form with 50 light-years of Terra suffers sudden cranial evacuation. Beyond that point, He stops showing off and, instead, just head-crushes all the Synapse creatures and, because He can, the Norn Queens. Now you have space-born Tyranids turning on one another while their ships are incapable of replenishing their forces. As the population of 'Nids drops, so does the power of the Shadow in the Warp.

Once the Shadow fades, Imperial ships begin arriving to begin mop-up operations. The God-Emperor sets an entire tendril of a Hive Fleet on fire from across the galaxy, because He can.

Also... Mars may have a C'Tan shard. That might create all kinds of complications for the Tyranid Swarm.

Hmmm, yeah, No. I have not seen any real fluff about the emperor manifesting powers to that extream, and IF (big if) he is really ''alive'' enough to do the psykic-y jiggery pokery then i'd take it he is too busy keeping the universe turning and fighting daemonic legions single handedly to do any of that.

We dont know what the void dragon will do, but i strongly believe it will be MUCH worse for the imperium tghen the tyranids. Say the tyranids awake the void dragon, hey look all your tanks are revolting and killing there masters, all your titians are now killing you insted and there is a fair chance the golden throne just...stops. Remember that the void dragon got the smack down from the empy, and he wont be very happy when he wakes up.

@Shlazgor, Oh you must be right, your totaly un surrported 1 word argument totaly out weighs me...

Also, if that many tyrands converged on the terra from below the galactic plane as Leviathan did time to prepare before the shadow over came them would be minimal. The Astrominicion is the bait, imagin that the tyranids are one MASSIVE fish about to swallow it.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Hmmm, yeah, No. I have not seen any real fluff about the emperor manifesting powers to that extream, and IF (big if) he is really ''alive'' enough to do the psykic-y jiggery pokery then i'd take it he is too busy keeping the universe turning and fighting daemonic legions single handedly to do any of that.

We dont know what the void dragon will do, but i strongly believe it will be MUCH worse for the imperium tghen the tyranids. Say the tyranids awake the void dragon, hey look all your tanks are revolting and killing there masters, all your titians are now killing you insted and there is a fair chance the golden throne just...stops. Remember that the void dragon got the smack down from the empy, and he wont be very happy when he wakes up.

@Shlazgor, Oh you must be right, your totaly un surrported 1 word argument totaly out weighs me...

Also, if that many tyrands converged on the terra from below the galactic plane as Leviathan did time to prepare before the shadow over came them would be minimal. The Astrominicion is the bait, imagin that the tyranids are one MASSIVE fish about to swallow it.

1. The Emperor might not be able to stop the shadow in some other system but you can bet your ass he can stop that gak in the Sol system. The Emperor literally gaks psychic weapons. Come at Terra Hivemind.

2. The Shadow won't prevent psykers from doing their business in battle. But even if it did the main threat isn't the GK it's the naval fortresses and fleets that were designed to make the Chaos Gods themselves back away that is the problem.

3. They would know the Nids are coming from them and would already have unfeasible reinforcements present.

4. Nids got spanked by three SM companies. Imagine how they would fare against all of the defenses previously mentioned? No contest friend.

Terra might be a little too much to handle, but who said the attack's goal would be to nom it ?
If the hive mind manages to get a sufficiently threatning force without committing too much ressources to it, it could actually be a very good move.
Such a thing could cause an overreaction from the Imperium as they allocate too much ressources to Terra's defense.
It may in turn weaken the Imperium's grip on many other systems, allowing various factions to take advantage of it.
This could cause enough chaos to make it quite a bit easier to eat new planets and make the biomass lost in the attack well worth it.