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 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:
Call bs all you want. Look at the map. That should tell you all you need to know. The Tyranid fleets on that map are light years across. And the spaces filled by it are completely filled with tyranid ships. Each tyranid ship holds billions of organisms. No fleet in the entire imperium is large enough to cover light years of space. Neither are the orks, or Eldar or Necrons or any other race. The only ones who do have that kind of numbers are the Tyranids.

I'm not exagerrating at all. It's simply by looking at what space in the galaxy the hive fleet covers that you can tell how truely massive they are. Do you think that map has the tyranid fleets as being just a few hundred feet away from planets? Those stars you see in the galaxy picture are light years across from each other. And the fleets are going from one star to the next with no spaces in between unfilled by tryanid ships. How can you possibly say I'm exagerrating when the picture tells the whole story?

You're reading maps wrong.

When they show fuzzy clouds on the galatic map, it's doesn't mean that that entire area is hive fleet and tyranid organisms, it shows where they have passes and their range.

When you look at old maps of WW2 german advances across Europe, it doesn't mean the German army filled a neat giant arrow formation capable of traversing all terrain, it shows the general movements and indicates their range of operable offensive capability.

The arrows shown here are not entirely laying over german forces... They give an indication of the general movement sweeps of various military formations.

I'm not reading the maps wrong, I do know how to do that. Yes, I understand that the armies in those pics you posted aren't arrow shaped and that the arrow just shows the general direction they came from. But that is not what the maps of the Tyranids are doing. That little map section shows the beginnings of the tyranid fleets and the direction they have gone, And the fluff for them in the 6th edition book says the bulk of the fleet is still outside our galaxy. That means it is stretching back along that line and spreading out as it shows in the picture. And as it says in the fluff. In the case of the tyranids It IS in the shape of those "arrows". That's the whole point. It is supposed to represent the enormity of the fleets. Otherwise they would have just drawn them as arrows like they do every other fleet in the game when they move across the space map.

You're still reading the maps wrong. The arrows on the map representing the Tyranids are saying "the Tyranids' fleet is big enough that the end of the arrow is off the map," not "this is all solid Tyranid stuff.

Course, even then it's an enormous amount of ships, but it is definitely not how you are envisioning it. As said before, the Tyranids would collapse into a black hole if you put that much mass together.

Only if the tyranids follow the normal laws of physics, which we don't know if they do. For all we know they may be able to change the laws of physics to suit their needs as well. They are a super race with incredibly far reaching psychic powers.

Either way, this entire thread is just conjecture anyway and the fluff is one of those things they leave up to us to make up our own minds about. So since I have nothing more to add I will just bow out and say in my version of the fluff the Tyranid fleets are much larger than what you guys are thinking

The Imperium has demonstrated that they follow the natural laws of physics in most cases where such things matter.

Siding with pretty much all of what Loki has said in here, had a huge quote for quote spiel copy/pasted but....well thanks Loki.

However, I also agree that a lot of the Nid fluff whilst intriguing, is still not complete and "teases" in a way of what is to come (or not perhaps).

My view for years though, is still that, what Nids have been seen thusfar are but a shadow - pardon the pun - of things to come.

And no, they are not running from something even nastier imho.

I want GW to release the something nastier race. Would they be giant ant eaters? Or perhaps it is that time is circular killed the god emperor and he went to the warp becoming a chaos go and are running away from him and his fanatical chaos cult; the IoM...actually that should be WH50K.

 Psienesis wrote:
Point is, we don't really know what triggered the creation of these creatures, so whether or not it makes the Hive Fleets more than capable of taking on the Milky Way... we really don't know.

We don't know exactly, but using 40k logic we can guess. Tyranids breed creatures when they need to overcome something. A creature like the Carnifex has a single purpose - break a defense line, whether it's with guns or claws. A creature like the Hairophant is the same thing, just using 40k logic - bigger monsters are needed for tougher opponents. Same logic behind Titans. Make it huge, it must be awesomely powerful. They don't use beasts like this for consuming a planet, that's solely down to rippers, and ripper carpets could definitely take care of local fauna.

Using qhat we know of Tyranids - they breed creatures to overcome obstacles, and what we know of how size ties into power in 40k, it's a logical assumption that, having the heirophant before reaching the Milky Way means they needed Heirophants, Carnifexes, and all of their other heavy assault creatures to overcome some seriously beefy defences. There's little chance they needed them to overcome disorganised local planetary fauna.

I wasn't saying having these beasts means they can just waltz through the galaxy. They're meeting tough defenses, and slowing down. What I'm saying is the Tyranids have definitely faced very, very tough defences and overcome them - if they didn't face such defences, they wouldn't have the likes of their heavy assault beasts, and if they didn't overcome them, they wouldn't be here, because they would have been stopped.

So, again, while it doesn't mean they will just walk on through the Milky Way, it does mean they've come across very, very tough defences, and overcome them. The fight the Imperium is putting up is not foreign to them, and they've overcome such a defense in at least one other galaxy.

 FinalAnswer wrote:

a b3ached whal3 wrote:
No, as in orchestrating the fall of the imperium.

Terra falls, the Emperor does as well. Without the Emperor, Chaos and Daemons are free to spill into real space, ensuring the galaxy is fethed, not to mention the defences at Cadia fail, meaning Abaddon can run rampant from the Eye of Terror.

So if the Eldar want to commit suicide by killing the Imperium, sure.

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if the emperor should die, daemons will spill into realspace and destroy everything, all the factions will eventrually either fall or be driven into hiding, except for the nids, who are no longer drawn to the emperor, the daemons, and maybe the orks if ghazkull is strong enough to unite the ork kind

Welcome to Dakka, Harry, but I'm afraid this thread is a bit old...