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SO the direwolf20 pack will have an updated 1.5 alot of stuff is being added as well. Hopefully ultimate will also get an update and add nitro creepers etc. I know Direwolf is adding alot of stuff to add it to his mods. I actually am starting to dislike ultimate due to gregtech. My primary beef is that we have to use compressors for glowstone. Glowstone bloody hell.

Also I am going to post soon how my castle is going. quite a few updates on it

See, Gregtech's advanced recipes are pretty much fine. But things like requiring compressors to make blocks, and adding its own kinds of metals that aren't compatible with existant Forge metals? That seems like it goes somewhat overboard (though the metals system and chem system actually seems pretty neat- just that it's not compatible with all the other metals is weird).

I will admit, I argued for Gregtech in ignorance and spite.

Ya'all shoulda shouted me down while you had the chance!

Anvildude wrote:
See, Gregtech's advanced recipes are pretty much fine. But things like requiring compressors to make blocks, and adding its own kinds of metals that aren't compatible with existant Forge metals? That seems like it goes somewhat overboard (though the metals system and chem system actually seems pretty neat- just that it's not compatible with all the other metals is weird).

I will admit, I argued for Gregtech in ignorance and spite.

Ya'all shoulda shouted me down while you had the chance!

I would of stayed with the direwolf pack D:
Seeing as it gets updated more often.

Also it would be awesome if they added the divine rpg mod with the ultimate pack. Why you ask? It makes all the armor we have currently. Suck. So badly. It makes me cry..... And more to do. Different Dimensions too. New ores. And also lots of mobs. More challenges, more bosses. Alot more bosses. Quantum armor is infact ignored So they do alot of damage.

 Asherian Command wrote:
SO the direwolf20 pack will have an updated 1.5 alot of stuff is being added as well. Hopefully ultimate will also get an update and add nitro creepers etc. I know Direwolf is adding alot of stuff to add it to his mods. I actually am starting to dislike ultimate due to gregtech. My primary beef is that we have to use compressors for glowstone. Glowstone bloody hell.

In the next few days i'm going to add public tessaract metal lava so anyone can provide netherrack to ender chest red-red-red and reap lava from that tessaract.
The system is already designed so only lava in excess of what I use is provided to the second valve so it shouldn't disrupt my operations at all. so energy conversion for easy things like basic machines should be a non-issue.

public energy tessaract "metalenergy" runs off of donated wheat or oak saplings/sand/blue crystal things to make fertilizer to the red-red-red chest

OR my other idea was to convert the lava into infinite oil which is more readily able to be converted to EU or MJ

BTW: i'm looking to trade for some netherwart too

 Grundz wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:
SO the direwolf20 pack will have an updated 1.5 alot of stuff is being added as well. Hopefully ultimate will also get an update and add nitro creepers etc. I know Direwolf is adding alot of stuff to add it to his mods. I actually am starting to dislike ultimate due to gregtech. My primary beef is that we have to use compressors for glowstone. Glowstone bloody hell.

In the next few days i'm going to add public tessaract metal lava so anyone can provide netherrack to ender chest red-red-red and reap lava from that tessaract.
The system is already designed so only lava in excess of what I use is provided to the second valve so it shouldn't disrupt my operations at all. so energy conversion for easy things like basic machines should be a non-issue.

OR my other idea was to convert the lava into infinite oil which is more readily able to be converted to EU or MJ

Actually lets keep it with lava I need it for my multiblock lava places so I can have light sources for my stronghold.

The problem I have is that I do not how to use alot of the mods especially on how to make any of the drills or quantum armor to create gravi chests..... Which I would love to have to build my castle.

the mods are a pain in the ass, I'm still running vanilla but one of these days i'm going to go for a jetpack or other flying device and some anti-fall boots

 Grundz wrote:
the mods are a pain in the ass, I'm still running vanilla but one of these days i'm going to go for a jetpack or other flying device and some anti-fall boots

I really need the creative mode flying ability in order to build anything fancy. Like domes or fancy chamncy towers that I can make in creative. But they are so bloody hard to get the grav chest or anything that level due to it. And it got worse thanks to gregtech :( Now its simply unobtainable without gregtech ores.Hopefully one day we will have a community effort to mass produce grav chests for community projects.

Heh. You don't need Creative Flying for fancy builds- just honest hard work and Dirt. Loads and loads of Dirt Scaffolding.


And if you're having trouble, familiarize yourself with NEI- press 'O' when in your inventory to open the interface, and just start clicking away and mousing over stuff. It'll give recipes, and if you click on an ingredient in a recipe, it'll give ways to get it.

And write books about it! That way, anyone who comes after you can benefit from your experiences!

Anvildude wrote:
Heh. You don't need Creative Flying for fancy builds- just honest hard work and Dirt. Loads and loads of Dirt Scaffolding.


And if you're having trouble, familiarize yourself with NEI- press 'O' when in your inventory to open the interface, and just start clicking away and mousing over stuff. It'll give recipes, and if you click on an ingredient in a recipe, it'll give ways to get it.

And write books about it! That way, anyone who comes after you can benefit from your experiences!

I don't know I hate using scaffolding I honestly avoid it as much as possible. I like being able to go through an entire build with minimal amounts of mistakes and redesigns. Because I usually redesign after the whole thing is done.

I rarely need dirt scaffolding for my buildings. But to build a flying object, a dirt tower would be useful.


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I'm trying to figure out Gregtech/IC2 in this modpack.

Can someone help me figure out how to start out? The most I've been able to make (with Iustis' help) is a generator, batbox, electric furnace, and extractor. Lots of gak has changed, and from the look of it, all for the worse.

 Melissia wrote:
I rarely need dirt scaffolding for my buildings. But to build a flying object, a dirt tower would be useful.


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I'm trying to figure out Gregtech/IC2 in this modpack.

Can someone help me figure out how to start out? The most I've been able to make (with Iustis' help) is a generator, batbox, electric furnace, and extractor. Lots of gak has changed, and from the look of it, all for the worse.

I'm still trying to figure it out. Unfortunately it is very difficult.

Also update on Ars Magika It will not be added to the ultimate pack.
Because of the new mobs being spawned. argh..... Stupid. Its only being added to the direwolf pack
apparently it is too much of a game changer. Even though gregtech is the same thing.
source:
http://forum.feed-the-beast.com/threads/ars-magica.7127/

Oohgh, blargh. That stinks.

So what, exactly, does the Ultimate pack have over the Direwolf pack that's so great? Certainly not Gregtech...

Anvildude wrote:
Oohgh, blargh. That stinks.

So what, exactly, does the Ultimate pack have over the Direwolf pack that's so great? Certainly not Gregtech...

Nothing really. It has nothing interesting It is suppose to have all the mods. And more updated. *cough* which i think is gaking false *cough*
But maybe thats me just be weird. It is suppose to be the best of all the mods. The most 'stable'
Also who made the decision to add gregtech to the ultimate pack in the first place? apart from adding difficulty which could of easily been done by adding new mobs just getting rid of certain things.

Dark had a "poll" basically asking whether or not to install and use Gregtech recipes. I, thinking all it did was change some of the IC recipes around a bit, voted for. Apparently nobody else voted or spoke about it at all, and Dark decided to put it on.

I was sorely mistaken- it's not been terrible for the Magic users, but it has made some things rather annoying, such as the Blocks requiring compressors. Personally, I think the more involved UUmatter processes are probably a good thing- people rush to the Endgame much too quickly, I believe. The rest of it ist pretty much unnecessary detrius and complication, and I regret asking for its implementation without doing proper research into what it involved.

It's not completely horrible, though. Factorization and Thermal Expansion can pretty much completely replace IndustriaCraft, and even supplant it in terms of resource management- it's just armours and Matter Fab that's been hit- and things like Quantum Suits can be pretty much replaced by Power Armour anyways. (the Magic based weapons are actually leages above tech weapons- same with mining, aside from Quarries, and Frame miners beat both anyways).

If ars magica isn't being added, then I'm pissed off, ars magica is a mod I love, I almost prefer it to thaumcraft. If it's not bring added then dayum!

Why did we move to ultimate anyway? From my understanding ultimate had the majority of the same mods but now it has very little mods compared to direwolf and it's almost never updated.

Dunno about number of mods, but ultimate is utter gak if you're starting out. It basically pushed almost all of Industrialcraft to the end-game with the gregtech bs.

The problem with shutting the gregtech recipes down is it required a change to the config file, which was manual.

I do still dislike gregtech, because it nerfs IC so much and it makes magic so much more powerful for the amount of effort required.

Melissia wrote:I'm trying to figure out Gregtech/IC2 in this modpack.

Can someone help me figure out how to start out? The most I've been able to make (with Iustis' help) is a generator, batbox, electric furnace, and extractor. Lots of gak has changed, and from the look of it, all for the worse.

Take a look here -
http://www.reddit.com/r/feedthebeast/comments/19p0j8/tutorial_getting_started_in_gregtech_part_1/
http://www.reddit.com/r/feedthebeast/comments/19weur/tutorial_getting_started_in_gregtech_part_2/

 Asherian Command wrote:

Also update on Ars Magika It will not be added to the ultimate pack.
Because of the new mobs being spawned. argh..... Stupid. Its only being added to the direwolf pack
apparently it is too much of a game changer. Even though gregtech is the same thing.
source:
http://forum.feed-the-beast.com/threads/ars-magica.7127/

According to this thread, it's not being added to such a mod heavy pack like Ultimate because as soon as you use it with other mods, it effectively gives infinite items with no maintenance required (not to mention all the "unfinished" and "work in progress" aspects mentioned in the thread you linked).

Asherian Command wrote:

Anvildude wrote:
Oohgh, blargh. That stinks.

So what, exactly, does the Ultimate pack have over the Direwolf pack that's so great? Certainly not Gregtech...

Nothing really. It has nothing interesting It is suppose to have all the mods. And more updated. *cough* which i think is gaking false *cough*
But maybe thats me just be weird. It is suppose to be the best of all the mods. The most 'stable'
Also who made the decision to add gregtech to the ultimate pack in the first place? apart from adding difficulty which could of easily been done by adding new mobs just getting rid of certain things.

What does the Direwolf20 pack have that the Ultimate pack doesn't? - CompactSolars
What does the Ultimate pack have that the Direwolf pack doesn't?:
Advanced Machines
Advanced Solarpanels
Bibliocraft
GregTech
Minefactory Reloaded
Nether Ores
Petrogen
PowerConverters
SecretRooms
Voxelmods

As for "updated often" and "most stable", pick one. Ultimate is intended to be a stable pack for long term servers. If they keep swapping mods in and out that drastically change world gen or balance, it severely messes things up.

Anvildude wrote:Dark had a "poll" basically asking whether or not to install and use Gregtech recipes. I, thinking all it did was change some of the IC recipes around a bit, voted for. Apparently nobody else voted or spoke about it at all, and Dark decided to put it on.
...[snip]...
It's not completely horrible, though. Factorization and Thermal Expansion can pretty much completely replace IndustriaCraft, and even supplant it in terms of resource management- it's just armours and Matter Fab that's been hit- and things like Quantum Suits can be pretty much replaced by Power Armour anyways. (the Magic based weapons are actually leages above tech weapons- same with mining, aside from Quarries, and Frame miners beat both anyways).

Not 100% correct. I had the poll, and it actually came out that most people wanted GregTech off. However, this proved difficult to do without everyone having to mess about with settings and config files at their end too, effectively breaking the simplicity of a modpack. In addition, some of the Gregtech changes are to prevent dupe exploits when multiple different mods are working in the same pack with different ideas of item value.
Your lower paragraph I completely agree with. There are alternatives to IC2 and it's more fun to try something different. I have yet to use a quarry, iridium, UU-matter or quantum armor at all and I'm doing fine. It's also not a case of "can't use IC2, have to use magic", there's Redpower, Factorisation, Minefactory Reloaded, ThermalExpansion, Buildcraft, Applied Energistics and so on. All of which seem to be far less demanding of resources than even "pre-GT" IC2...

Of course if you don't like change, there's always Tekkit


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Forgot to mention, an Ultimate update has been in testing for just over a week:
http://forum.feed-the-beast.com/threads/ultimate.13719/#post-219298

There are no updates to Direwolf20 in testing at present...

Also, a Wizard's Road- perfectly flat, cutting straight through the mountains (well, there'd be a turn in it) south, then East towards Spawn... That'd be nice. I'm thinking Marble for the road with Marble Bricks as the edging...

There is a chest full of stone tools and the bits to make some more in the cove, im going to start cutting pilot path for the road which can be expanded as needed.
Edit:
Ive got the path marked out exactly using my waypoints - please only expand what i dig through the mountains for the time being :p

Detailed upcoming Ultimate 1.0.2 change log for those who are interested:
http://forum.feed-the-beast.com/threads/detailed-changes-for-ultimate-v1-0-2.19025/

Damn, no updates to thaumcraft :(. And I know it's already been said but no ars magica or tinkers construct

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Grundz wrote:
the mods are a pain in the ass, I'm still running vanilla but one of these days i'm going to go for a jetpack or other flying device and some anti-fall boots

I really need the creative mode flying ability in order to build anything fancy. Like domes or fancy chamncy towers that I can make in creative. But they are so bloody hard to get the grav chest or anything that level due to it. And it got worse thanks to gregtech :( Now its simply unobtainable without gregtech ores.Hopefully one day we will have a community effort to mass produce grav chests for community projects.

I think there's a magic based flight that is close to creative flight, thats what I want too, anyone comment?

I've heard azanor is working on something like that, but I'll have to watch the video I heard it in again to make sure.

The problem is that gregtech makes the endgame of tech too nerfed, and ultimate is focussed waaaaay too much on magic/misc stuff.

 darkinnit wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

Anvildude wrote:
Oohgh, blargh. That stinks.

So what, exactly, does the Ultimate pack have over the Direwolf pack that's so great? Certainly not Gregtech...

Nothing really. It has nothing interesting It is suppose to have all the mods. And more updated. *cough* which i think is gaking false *cough*
But maybe thats me just be weird. It is suppose to be the best of all the mods. The most 'stable'
Also who made the decision to add gregtech to the ultimate pack in the first place? apart from adding difficulty which could of easily been done by adding new mobs just getting rid of certain things.

What does the Direwolf20 pack have that the Ultimate pack doesn't? - CompactSolars
What does the Ultimate pack have that the Direwolf pack doesn't?:
Advanced Machines
Advanced Solarpanels
Bibliocraft This is beinga added
GregTech Main reason as why i hate the pack
Minefactory Reloaded
Nether Ores
Petrogen
PowerConverters
SecretRooms
Voxelmods
Most of these are infact just small things not really needed, nothing really different, from things in the direwolf pack. Considering that most ores listed are quite useless. Plus in terms of balance. Gregtech ores are 20x harder and rarer to find, almost impossible to find if you don't have a quarry, and especially if you don't want to use a quarry. The Direwolf pack at least has a simpler ways of getting stuff done.
As for "updated often" and "most stable", pick one. Ultimate is intended to be a stable pack for long term servers. If they keep swapping mods in and out that drastically change world gen or balance, it severely messes things up.
Who said about swapping in and out mods? No where did I make that statement my friend!


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Forgot to mention, an Ultimate update has been in testing for just over a week:
http://forum.feed-the-beast.com/threads/ultimate.13719/#post-219298

There are no updates to Direwolf20 in testing at present...
His videos are the testing of mods check his twitter, he is adding ars magica and biblo craft and 2 other mods. The ones he likes most are the ones he puts into the direwolf pack. Ultimate does is not taking it because of 'balance' reasons. Last time I saw it was an option to simply turn off ars magica, also if they wanted to talk about OP what about talk about how gregtech literally is a world gen and core mod that it basically turns everything into far more difficulty?

Just my statement on the fact. Any terms of balance is quite dumb considering it is not a standalone game. It is a Mod Pack for the community. Not fora competitive role.
The mods you have talked about being different are not really all that different. It doesn't really add anything different that makes it unique from the other mod pack.


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 Grundz wrote:

 Asherian Command wrote:

 Grundz wrote:
the mods are a pain in the ass, I'm still running vanilla but one of these days i'm going to go for a jetpack or other flying device and some anti-fall boots

I really need the creative mode flying ability in order to build anything fancy. Like domes or fancy chamncy towers that I can make in creative. But they are so bloody hard to get the grav chest or anything that level due to it. And it got worse thanks to gregtech :( Now its simply unobtainable without gregtech ores.Hopefully one day we will have a community effort to mass produce grav chests for community projects.

I think there's a magic based flight that is close to creative flight, thats what I want too, anyone comment?

Not that I know of. There is the leviatator but that is a block and does not provide flight. It does for a short time but it cannot be equipped it has to be placed.


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 Doctadeth wrote:
The problem is that gregtech makes the endgame of tech too nerfed, and ultimate is focussed waaaaay too much on magic/misc stuff.

There are only 2 magic mods in ultimate. Thaumcraft 3 and Xeno's Reliquary. They are extremely underpowered in some. Quantum still beats thaumium. And it is very hard to create a large amount of them due to the nerf from gregtech. (making nuggets incompatiable with thaumcraft)
Ultimate in my opinion is too focused on tech.

I'll come out and say it, I like gregtech. Admittedly it makes IC2 much harder to start out with but it makes the high end IC2 stuff far more interesting.

 Corpsesarefun wrote:
I'll come out and say it, I like gregtech. Admittedly it makes IC2 much harder to start out with but it makes the high end IC2 stuff far more interesting.

In terms of recipes yes. but someone that just wants a particular thing has to go through a long process to do so. If i remember right it was said you could pick and choose things you liked from the mod packs to use. I am picking and choosing things that I think are compatible to each other.

I have to agree with corpses, once you get your basic IC2 setup, it really isn't that bad

 matapata98 wrote:
I have to agree with corpses, once you get your basic IC2 setup, it really isn't that bad

In terms complicity. It looks foreign. I do most of this stuff on the go. Or I am trying to avoid studying. I am just saying gregtech makes it very difficult for a lot of dakknauts. I ignore a lot of the fundamental changes.

Those tutorials were horrible tutorials.

"In order to get mid-tier stuff, we're going to make you build end-tier stuff!"

Then it says "you need metric fucktonnes of power" without actually telling you good ideas on how to GET that power-- because most of the generators have been changed now to either be nigh-impossible to make due to rarity or requiring so many new resources as to make me utterly fething clueless as to how to make them.

Hell I was trying to make a hydro-electric plant. But the fething thing requires a special kind of aluminum that as far as I can tell doesn't actually exist. Then I looked at solar panels and I was like "The feth do I make this gak? Even the wiki doesn't describe how to make some of these things!"

I need help in how to start this :/