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Does anyone know why there aren't rules for Apocalypse grade Pyskers? Characters who's psychic potential is so great they can lay down the same amount of destruction as a Baneblade or even a Titan?

What would your psyker be if you could breed such a savant?

Because Alpha level psykers couldn't be fairly represented, because there is no ''bar'' for there powers. Every one is different, yet everyone could concievably wipe your enitre army into the warp with a thought. If we are on about beta levels, we have them in the form of exceptional characters such as the thousand son sorcerer and eldrad. But its a MASSIVE step from beta to alpha, or even alpha plus., for each one has the power to snap titans in too and turn entire armies inside out.

Well that's what I mean, why not try to implement these exceptional characters in Apocalypse games? It'd make SoB at least seem more important when players see what happens when they can't catch them all.

As to the "bar" set it by the levels of destruction they're capable of. If they can effectively do the same amount of damage to players as an Emperor Class Titan, then fit their points cost to match.

And its GW. They'll make much more money from a titan model than they would a single psyker

Not to mention how big the warlord titan is, is literally tells you to get a dwarf friend and stand him on the table. Destroying that with a guardsmen sized model clicking his fingers while behind a wall wouldn't make too much balance sense.

Because those incredibly powerful units are the reward for bringing a cool model to the game. A super-psyker, on the other hand, is just a standard 28mm infantry model without any real "cool model" effect. And Apocalypse is going to get pretty boring if you have basic 28mm infantry models running around blowing up titans, with no reason to invest in titans/superheavies/etc instead of just making lots of psykers it becomes nothing more than a really huge and awkward game of normal 40k.

 Peregrine wrote:
Because those incredibly powerful units are the reward for bringing a cool model to the game. A super-psyker, on the other hand, is just a standard 28mm infantry model without any real "cool model" effect. And Apocalypse is going to get pretty boring if you have basic 28mm infantry models running around blowing up titans, with no reason to invest in titans/superheavies/etc instead of just making lots of psykers it becomes nothing more than a really huge and awkward game of normal 40k.

I disagree entirely, most of our apocalypse games are run with standard units with the Apocalypse Formations and stratagems. Some super psykers (like the Sorcerer Choir for example) Sounds incredibly Badass.

Plus, the Beta/Alpha class psykers would likely cost a ton of points as well, near the higher titans.

Unless of course you make a lore of the Beta/Alpha, and give em rolls on charts instead. With different powers that could conceivably do different things.

There should also be some epic results for Warp Tests, because if a standard untrained psyker can cause daemonic incursions, a Psyker of that power should have heavy penalties that could happen.

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
Because Alpha level psykers couldn't be fairly represented, because there is no ''bar'' for there powers. Every one is different, yet everyone could concievably wipe your enitre army into the warp with a thought. If we are on about beta levels, we have them in the form of exceptional characters such as the thousand son sorcerer and eldrad. But its a MASSIVE step from beta to alpha, or even alpha plus., for each one has the power to snap titans in too and turn entire armies inside out.

Eldrad is (or well, was) arguably Alpha level, he just doesn't have the raw destructive power of someone like Magnus. He's much more subtle, and considering that he created the mess that is Armageddon round 3 I'd say he's just as dangerous, it not more so, than your "average" Alpha psyker, especially seeing as the latter often end their lives in a very gory way as they lose control of their power. There are insanely few Alpha psykers in the Galaxy that can control their power, after all.

Thumbs up to who mentions the sorcerer choir. For apoc it's more stylish to make those 'strong psykers' a large unit or odd vehicle or temple of some sort. Rather than a single 28mm model... It's an unwritten rule that for apocalypse, 'Size matters'.

For Orks, there used to be a vehicle called the 'Weirdboy tower', basically a tower of copper set on a battlewagon with a great number of weirdboys inside focusing their powers together. It was reasonably powerful, not uber:take the table of orky psychic powers and give the effects bigger templates, more strength and range, an extra power field in case of headbanger (tower grounds the effect).

So yeah, I say make it big! Make it a coven of chaos sorcerers working together, a floating eldar spire full of seers, an imperial psyker choir chained to a tracked ecclesiarchy vehicle... Scare your allies, impress your foes! (or the other way around)

I think it would be awesome. An Alpha Psyker screws up a PotW test...

and accidentally summons An'ggrath the Unbound and a dozen Bloodthirsters. Tell me that wouldn't be hilariously unfortunate. You'd need a third man, though, to play as Chaos in that case.

 McNinja wrote:
I think it would be awesome. An Alpha Psyker screws up a PotW test...

and accidentally summons An'ggrath the Unbound and a dozen Bloodthirsters. Tell me that wouldn't be hilariously unfortunate. You'd need a third man, though, to play as Chaos in that case.

Just use the rules for outside interference, they charge the nearest unit.

Hmm i can see this being epic. Powers that give you a 2+ armor and such, and then if you botch the powers the warp rips into the table with whatever comes out.

What about this.

An Emperor Titan.

Which is also a psyker.

And blows up the table.

Aww yeah.

That would actually be a great way to start an Apoc game. A mission based on an alpha Psyker of Chaos Periling and dragging a bunch of demons into the battle.

 McNinja wrote:
I think it would be awesome. An Alpha Psyker screws up a PotW test...

and accidentally summons An'ggrath the Unbound and a dozen Bloodthirsters. Tell me that wouldn't be hilariously unfortunate. You'd need a third man, though, to play as Chaos in that case.

Just have the daemons move, shoot and assault the nearest units. If i learn anything from crusade of fire/DV, that's what i'll remember.

That would be really awesome, like trying to do "Apocalyptic Crush" to remove a structure point off a baneblade, perils, and then you implode with a large blast template place over yourself.

What could happen is there is a unit of 3-8 psykers who have a special rule to combine their might to perform a Apocalyptic Psychic Power. 7th Edition Apoc update?

I actually wouldn't mind an Apocalypse update that includes Super Psykers.

I'd love to even just have a Beta class.

At least we now have a new game mode:

Apocalypse Battle: Perils of the Warp Cataclysm! - Incurs a Demonic Invasion somewhere near the center line of the table and tears apart the board as you play on it, i.e. destroying terrain and adding new sections of board as you go....

Anyone want to test it?

I think it would be a great idea!


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Just a passing thought for all the eldar players...

It would be pretty cool if you could take some of the spirit stones form fallen pyskers and have them all focus on one task. They could make something crazy happen like give all friendly models fortune or invisibility or something like that.