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Guard Heavy Weapon Crewman



United States, Federal Way, WA

Can a psyker use a psychic ability inside a vehicle?

For example, could a Primaris Psyker use Psychic Shriek inside a Chimera?

Thank you in advance.

-Dinkins
   
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Judgemental Grey Knight Justicar





New Orleans

I am at work so I can't be sure but.......

As long as it is a psychic power that doesn't need LoS (like the witch fire powers) you can cast and it measures from the hull. I think almost all witchfire powers do need LoS tho.

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Blood Angel Terminator with Lightning Claws



Sioux Falls, SD

You can use witchfire powers from inside the chimera because it has fire points.

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BRB p.69 Witchfire, second para, last sentence.
   
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Tilter at Windmills






Manchester, NH

Any psychic power explicitly labeled a Witchfire power or described as being a Psychic Shooting Attack may be used out of a fire point. If there is no fire point, it can't be used from inside a vehicle.

Any power which requires LOS but is not a WF or PSA cannot be used through a fire point, and you cannot draw LOS for it from inside a vehicle. If you're in a transport, per the psychic rules, you can only cast LOS-required powers on yourself, the vehicle, or another unit inside the vehicle.

Powers which do not require LOS and are not WF or PSAs are not restricted by being inside a vehicle. Except Eldar powers, as of the Jan FA update, because whoever wrote that FAQ did not read the rules and ignorantly shafted poor Eldar players and their vehicles.

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Well, that I personally think that the Eldar update was pretty obviously meant to bring Eldar "blessings" with other blessings, but GW screwed up and instead of forbidding casting Guide to units outside vehicle, it also forbid casting it on the vehicle and models inside it.
   
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I don't see any reason for Doom, Fortune or Guide to be restricted like Blessings or Maledictions, though, given that the restriction on casting out of a vehicle in the psychic rules is specifically based on LOS, and those powers all don't require LOS like a Blessing or Malediction does. Also bear in mind that Fortune & Guide are much shorter ranged than most Blessings.

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 Mannahnin wrote:
I don't see any reason for Doom, Fortune or Guide to be restricted like Blessings or Maledictions, though, given that the restriction on casting out of a vehicle in the psychic rules is specifically based on LOS, and those powers all don't require LOS like a Blessing or Malediction does. Also bear in mind that Fortune & Guide are much shorter ranged than most Blessings.

Quite. However: http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2940046a_Eldar_v1.2_JANUARY13.pdf

Q: The Farseer Psychic Powers rules state that they do not require the
Eldar Psyker to have line of sight to the target. Does this mean that they
can be used by an Eldar psyker embarked on a Transport? (p28)
A: No.


The above (the only change in the January FAQ) places Farseer Codex powers at a lower peg than normal Blessings (which can be cast inside vehicles, although at a restricted number of targets).
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Quanar wrote:
 Mannahnin wrote:
I don't see any reason for Doom, Fortune or Guide to be restricted like Blessings or Maledictions, though, given that the restriction on casting out of a vehicle in the psychic rules is specifically based on LOS, and those powers all don't require LOS like a Blessing or Malediction does. Also bear in mind that Fortune & Guide are much shorter ranged than most Blessings.

Quite. However: http://www.games-workshop.com/MEDIA_CustomProductCatalog/m2940046a_Eldar_v1.2_JANUARY13.pdf

Q: The Farseer Psychic Powers rules state that they do not require the
Eldar Psyker to have line of sight to the target. Does this mean that they
can be used by an Eldar psyker embarked on a Transport? (p28)
A: No.


The above (the only change in the January FAQ) places Farseer Codex powers at a lower peg than normal Blessings (which can be cast inside vehicles, although at a restricted number of targets).
(And now I'm going to get smacked for disagreeing with a MOD)

You misunderstand, and perhaps should read my earlier post. I completely agree with you that this is what the rules now say, due to this (IMO silly) FAQ. I gave that answer in my first post in the thread. Another poster then took up a tangential discussion based on my commenting that I believe the ruling to have been a bad one, and my second post was discussing the merits and reasoning behind the ruling and why I think it was a bad one. Not in any way a dispute as to what the ruling means or how Eldar powers are presently limited.

And no, we don't smack anyone for disagreeing with moderators.

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My apologies, I had skimmed over your first post.
   
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No harm, no foul! It's generally not a bad thing to have the right rule repeated anyway.

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 Mannahnin wrote:
I don't see any reason for Doom, Fortune or Guide to be restricted like Blessings or Maledictions, though, given that the restriction on casting out of a vehicle in the psychic rules is specifically based on LOS, and those powers all don't require LOS like a Blessing or Malediction does.
Yes, I know that RAW they didn't have any restrictions before that FAQ. And that the restriction is obvious rules change.

What I meant is that whoever wrote the FAQ believed they should be restricted in same way and thus changed their rules with the FAQ answer. But screwed up and wrote it too tight.
   
 
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