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I started reading the rules for the Arkham City from Knights Models and already stumbled over certain interpretations.

I'm too busy right now to post them, but I wanted to start the thread anyway, so we can have them all in one place, for if and when the game becomes the hit I hope it will.

I need to finish reading the rules, too, but will look forward to discussing them here when I'm done.

R.

small wording issues aside.. the game is actually a lot of fun and plays well.. there are a few issues that have come up.. mostly skills on stat cards having the wrong names.

ive read through the rules and they seem really solid i love the special attacks section Bane on Titan doing a roundhouse strike. Brutal

Missing special rules or incorrectly translated special rules is my main problem with the book at the moment.

quick question can any character use any of the special attacks or is it just the attacks specified on their card ? for example Bane has the large rule which allows him to use the special attack charge however he has no other specia attacks on his card so can he use for example roundhouse strike if he has the counters

Anyone played a game yet ?

Crimson-King2120 wrote:
Anyone played a game yet ?

Got one booked for next week. Still trying to work out what Jokers missing abilites are as he has some listed on the card, but they ain't in the rules.

Have you downloaded the traits book.? Its all in there

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:

Crimson-King2120 wrote:
Anyone played a game yet ?

Got one booked for next week. Still trying to work out what Jokers missing abilites are as he has some listed on the card, but they ain't in the rules.

Some of the stuff is not there. Here are a few of the things...

The crit "Low" of his one shot gun means that if you crit with it on a 6, they are instant killed regardless of wounds left.

Clown Piantings under his stuff henchmen can buy is Distraction. Free Ability that if you are 10cm or closer, you make one person -1 defense for the round. Doesent stack (This ones in the rulebook)

Other is Bengal. Bengal is Flare. You light up the whole board for a round so you see anything regardless of night time. Hope it helps.

Still not sure on the special attacks section can anyone use the special attacks if they have the AC left ir can they only use the attacks named on their card


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One thing thats confuding me is the spray template it gives no explanation as to what the 4 levels do (lethal serious mild ) do they double the damage yourr wepon does ?

Crimson-King2120 wrote:
Still not sure on the special attacks section can anyone use the special attacks if they have the AC left ir can they only use the attacks named on their card


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One thing thats confuding me is the spray template it gives no explanation as to what the 4 levels do (lethal serious mild ) do they double the damage yourr wepon does ?

I can see what your saying about special attacks. As it reads, it sounds like you can do it so long as you have the counters, but if you look you need to have them listed on card. Like Nightwing has Electrical Storm listed, Batman has Sneak Attack Listed, and Big Models such as Croc and Bane get Charge, as big says they gain it.

As for spray, the cloest section near where the model sprays (red/white part) does no damage and they cant be that close to be effected. As for other levels, nothing yet has an effect that use the Lethal, Serious, or Mild. Perhaps a gun in the future might. As for now, Scarecrow is the only one who can use spray template and it does its effect regardless of what part the mini is under.

And whay is the displaced and immobilize effects could not find them anywhere

PUSH/DISPLACED:
The target is displaced so centimeter as the result on the Collateral Damage DIE, in opposite direction from the attacker.
If the target can´t be Displaced the distance cause of an obstacle, he receive an Impact of Strength 4+ and Damage ( 1 *STUN).
If the Target finish in a Hole or similar, he suffer the rules of SPING INTO THE AIR on the rulebook page 17.

Thankyou my friend

Kingkris got a few questions now. and more to come, and a bit of concerns.

My group has all the models and have used them all a bunch of times


Usually we play 300 Rep, or as close as you can get. So far, every game, Batman (Arkham and Nolan) gets murdered horribly. We have even tried sitting far away and trying to Batarang people down first. With 2 clowns and Facepaint ( Distract) he is at a 3 defense. He is a Master Martial artist, but in the game doesn't have it, yet Talia does. Seems wrong.

Our best game we had and closest was Penguin vs Joker. Henchmen seems to be the way to win as more bodies is more chances to kill or grab objectives.

Is there going to be a FAQ out pretty soon?

Spray Template and explosions, do they effect all levels. Such as if I spray a guy with Scarecrow on the ground, and the template goes over someone who is on top of a small house, does he get hit to?

Is there a penalty to shooting into close combat? Such as a Cop shooting at a Clown, when the clown is in base contact with Batman?

Is there a Max ammo clips? or can you keep spending move dice to keep gaining clips from an ammo dump?

Is it harder to shoot people who have been knocked down? And is Knocked down penalty also called the "Felled" effect? Do guys in melee of a knocked down figure get +2 to hit it?

For Deathstroke, Is his Resilient supposed to be translated to the English books "Hardened" (First blood he received becomes a stun instead) Also he has Martial Artist, so should it be FAQed batman has it to? Bothh Versions?

Moving and Falling: If you move 5 CM and spring off a building and land ( not dead) do you get the rest of your base move and any additional movement you rolled?

With Penguins Persuasive ability, what happens if he is next to his Shield guy and there is a template of any kind that hits them both? Can the guy take the blast twice? Once for him and once for penguin or can you not use persuasive if both models are under templates?

The Stop rule, does that completely stop the miniature from doing anything so long as the cop see them? Or Can the miniature still attack? Can he use his base movement still and no extra MC? And what happens if the "Stopped" model uses charge? Does it cancel it?

Ok I will try to answer these as best I can but most of them will just be my interpretation of the rules. I will put the questions I am unsure about to Gustavo (the guy that wrote the rules) and update any of my responses if they are incorrect.

str00dles1 wrote:
Kingkris got a few questions now. and more to come, and a bit of concerns.

My group has all the models and have used them all a bunch of times

Usually we play 300 Rep, or as close as you can get. So far, every game, Batman (Arkham and Nolan) gets murdered horribly. We have even tried sitting far away and trying to Batarang people down first. With 2 clowns and Facepaint ( Distract) he is at a 3 defense. He is a Master Martial artist, but in the game doesn't have it, yet Talia does. Seems wrong.

Our best game we had and closest was Penguin vs Joker. Henchmen seems to be the way to win as more bodies is more chances to kill or grab objectives.

Batman is difficult to use as he is a very expensive model. You need to be using the correct tactics to use him successfully. First deal with the clowns as they are a simple problem to resolve. Batarang them. They are def 2 with 4 endurance, an average shot with its rof 2 will knock them out. Have the cops nearby to nip in to arrest them. This is easier with Arkham Batman due to his longer range remote control Batarangs. Any more resilient henchmen with clown paint will need to be taken out by hand. Make sure you keep Batman hidden or in the darkness then run in and pound them using sneak attack to prevent them using DC. Once again try to move in cops for the arrest. Don't worry if your opponent has a lot of henchmen and is splitting them up to grab objectives. This is what you want him to do. Then you can take them out a piece at a time and he can not stack those de-buffs on you. Batman needs to use hit & run tactics run in, hit them hard and when he starts to move up his other henchmen to support just batgrapple out of there and set up an attack run on someone else. Use your total vision and manouverability to your advantage. Trust me, when you play this way not only will you be more successful you will also start to FEEL like Batman!

Is there going to be a FAQ out pretty soon? Gustavo is working on the FAQ along with a mk2 rulebook to address the errors. However he is also still producing the model stats for Knight so it may take a while.

Spray Template and explosions, do they effect all levels. Such as if I spray a guy with Scarecrow on the ground, and the template goes over someone who is on top of a small house, does he get hit to? Only if the template touches that models volume. You can angle it up to go through a model at ground level and catch another model on a higher elevation but the template must touch both models.

Is there a penalty to shooting into close combat? Such as a Cop shooting at a Clown, when the clown is in base contact with Batman? Only if the model is obscuring your target. Then it causes a blink roll 4+. If this is passed the other model receives 1 injury marker.

Is there a Max ammo clips? or can you keep spending move dice to keep gaining clips from an ammo dump? You can only hold the amount listed on your card. Plus you can only manipulate an object once per turn.

Is it harder to shoot people who have been knocked down? And is Knocked down penalty also called the "Felled" effect? Do guys in melee of a knocked down figure get +2 to hit it? Felled is knocked down. You are always hit on a 2+ if you are knocked down.

For Deathstroke, Is his Resilient supposed to be translated to the English books "Hardened" (First blood he received becomes a stun instead) Also he has Martial Artist, so should it be FAQed batman has it to? Bothh Versions? Resilient is hardened. Only Dark Knight Batman has martial artist. Arkham Batmans martial arts style is represented by counter attack.

Moving and Falling: If you move 5 CM and spring off a building and land ( not dead) do you get the rest of your base move and any additional movement you rolled? If you have movement left when you spring into the air it can be counted as a jump by spending 1MC. If you do not spend the MC you take the full damage then you need to make an agility roll or be knocked down. If you survive the fall and are not knocked down you can continue your move. If you are knocked down you can continue your movement but at half speed because of your now disabled movement.

With Penguins Persuasive ability, what happens if he is next to his Shield guy and there is a template of any kind that hits them both? Can the guy take the blast twice? Once for him and once for penguin or can you not use persuasive if both models are under templates? Persuasive covers an attack not an impact. Therefore if you declare Penguin as the target of an attack before you roll to hit he may use Persuasive to change the target of that attack to the Shield henchman. The attack would then be resolved against Shield henchman. If it hit the explosion template would be centered on him. If Penguin was under the template he would still take the automatic impact.

The Stop rule, does that completely stop the miniature from doing anything so long as the cop see them? Or Can the miniature still attack? Can he use his base movement still and no extra MC? And what happens if the "Stopped" model uses charge? Does it cancel it? Stop! only prevents you from using MC whilst the model with the rule can see you. If you spent the MC to move further or activate the charge before the model with stop can see you you are not affected. However if you wanted to cross difficult ground or climb you would need to spend MC so this could be prevented if you had them moved into the Cops LOS.

Thank you for such fast replies! This will help us greatly. We have more questions, just trying to compile them into a list again.

One quick question Kingkris. You said Dark Knight Batman has Martial Artist. On my card it is not printed there. Should it be on there and my card is a misprint? It is also not on the Knight Models website on his downloadable stat card

str00dles1 wrote:
Thank you for such fast replies! This will help us greatly. We have more questions, just trying to compile them into a list again.

One quick question Kingkris. You said Dark Knight Batman has Martial Artist. On my card it is not printed there. Should it be on there and my card is a misprint? It is also not on the Knight Models website on his downloadable stat card

Sorry my bad. He has Combo not martial artist. DOH!

King kris i have a question about the spray template do the levels (lethal seriously Mild ) have any additional effects also as it is a shooting attack do you get the additional stunned marker on an enemy that is hit ?


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also stroodle how does Bane play ?

Crimson-King2120 wrote:


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also stroodle how does Bane play ?

Which one? They are both pretty the same as of right now. Arkham Bane can run into anyone and most likely take them down in a turn without much problems. He is very expensive though at 150 rep. His 2 titan doses help a decent amount when used. He wounds on a 2+ and with being a master fighter, makes batman just needing 4s to hit.

Movie bane is no chump though also having insensible ( which I think is one of the best abilities in the game), and combo unarmed means all out is 12 attack dice. Because there is only Talia and himself from the League of Shadows, he doesn't shine as much. Once they have henchmen ninjas, his power level will jump up matching Arkham Bane or even surpassing it. That is til Arkham Bane gets henchmen.

In short though, getting them into close combat with your opponents toughest guy is the goal.

cool i love bane both incarnations of him i think a Bane Ra's Al Ghul combo will be pretty nasty

Crimson-King2120 wrote:
King kris i have a question about the spray template do the levels (lethal seriously Mild ) have any additional effects also as it is a shooting attack do you get the additional stunned marker on an enemy that is hit ?

The spray template distances have no game effect yet.

The stun damage is not in addition to, it is only applied if you hit but fail to do any damage. As there is no damage roll for the spray effect you do not get the stun damage.

I'm thinking your second Bane should be Arkham City Bane?

Maybe?

I think maybe you have misread combo. For every 2 Attack counters you get 3 dice, From the post it looks like you may have just doubled them.

My mistake, yea forgot Movie Bane has 7 Willpower, So yea his total ( if Talia is alive) is 7(base) + 3 for combo so 10 total dice.

IF Talia is dead though, he has 8 Base dice ( 8 willpower) then +4 dice with the combo so he does reach 12 attack dice.


Question Kingkris, for weapon that have Mechanic such as Nightwings baton that always wounds on a 3+. What happens when he tries to wound Killer Croc. He has Tough Skin so to wound him needs 1 higher. What rule takes effect, is it still 3+ to wound or does Croc make it a 4+

Arkham bane with the new blackgate thugs :-) also kingkris scarecrows syringe claw says crit:poison pin down down does that mean the poison effect is pin down or is pin down an additional effect

str00dles1 wrote:
My mistake, yea forgot Movie Bane has 7 Willpower, So yea his total ( if Talia is alive) is 7(base) + 3 for combo so 10 total dice.

IF Talia is dead though, he has 8 Base dice ( 8 willpower) then +4 dice with the combo so he does reach 12 attack dice.

Ah, I see what you did there. You can only put as many counters into a stat as that stats value. Banes Attack value is 5, so you can put 5 counters into it max. Because of combo these 5 counters give you 7 dice. If Talia dies he gets +1 willpower & +1 attack. He can now put 6 counters in attack thus granting 9 dice because of combo. Hope this clears things up for you


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str00dles1 wrote:
Question Kingkris, for weapon that have Mechanic such as Nightwings baton that always wounds on a 3+. What happens when he tries to wound Killer Croc. He has Tough Skin so to wound him needs 1 higher. What rule takes effect, is it still 3+ to wound or does Croc make it a 4+

The Mechanic weapon trait states that you always wound on a 3+ regardless of the users strength. Tough Skin says you -1 from a dice roll to wound this character. Therefore if you roll a 3 to wound Croc you would -1 from that roll making it a 2. In this case you did not roll a 3 to wound and thus would cause no damage. Basically you need 4's.


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Crimson-King2120 wrote:
Arkham bane with the new blackgate thugs :-) also kingkris scarecrows syringe claw says crit:poison pin down down does that mean the poison effect is pin down or is pin down an additional effect

Pin down is the poison effect.

Thanks for the replys.

And wow, that changes everything now knowing the max dice you can put in a trait is equal to the value next to it. This will make batman not die so easily like he has been in our games.

This brings up another question kingkris:

Wen Arkham Bane uses a Titan Dose, it increases all his trait values. His base attack is 6. Would it go to 7? Meaning he can now put 7 attack dice in that trait. And what about blocking him? You cant roll a 7 so is he unblockable when he is on Titan?