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So yeah most of what i have to say is spoilers but it's a 'die hard' movie so you probably saw this coming already anyway given how the series is.

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So yeah i saw this movie and there were a few cool moments. It was still ridiculous in the same way as 'Live Free or Die Hard' and after a point you have to turn your brain off from the ridiculousness. That said even though it wasn't as over the top in some ways *erm* the jet scene *erm* it also lacked as much action as the movie before it and seemed shorter overall. We're also treated to at least two big scenes where not only is something there to save our heroes conveniently placed but they didn't even plan it. In one scene they jump out of a building to avoid getting shot at by a helicopter and luckily land into some scaffolding and a series of other things to break their fall. Not only that but in another scene they fall through multiple parts of a building into a pool of water by complete chance without planning (that was also completely out of place) that saves them from a helicopter exploding. I do enjoy how john isn't a total idiot in this and basically realizes something is up with the dude's daughter being there early (not that it saves them). They also find some dude to be lying about something when certain things don't match up (they seemed to figure it out a little too easily in my mind). Speaking of this dude and his daughter i found it odd that there were 2 full cases of "OMG the good guy is really the bad guy! DUN, DUN, DUNNNNNN!!!!!!"

As far as comedy in the movie i found some parts to be interesting. John chases john junior trying to ask him why he never called like a worried parent in the middle of a shootout between some baddies. Also john's daughter asks about how her brother is doing over the phone which was interesting. My favorite scene i'd say comedy-wise (though somewhat done before in movies and tv) is the look of utter WTF you see in the taxi cab driver's face when john macclane butchers the russian language and is so obviously a foreigner. That look on the taxi cab driver's face was pretty priceless actually. He even seems like a good guy though i'm not sure i enjoyed listening to him sing but that was part of the humor.

I also have to wonder how does a little army jeep overpower a huge APC sized vehicle and push it to the side? I'll admit i don't know enough about all this but i'm pretty sure something that big can't be moved by a dinky little army jeep. I also love how a jeep is conveniently parked nearby for john to hijack in the first place.

I'm not sure how i felt about the whole chernobyl tie in with this movie. I find it a little hard to believe the baddies helped cause that. Oh and did nobody else feel kind of weird that john and john junior basically walked around in irradiated chernobyl with no protective gear whatsoever even though all or almost all the baddies did? I mean i'd doubt john would care about being sterile at this point in his life and he's already lost his hair but john junior might still need to be not sterile to carry on the insane explosion based movie series.

On the whole subject of john junior my friend said he was one of the worst actors he's ever seen. Prepare for a basic built up marine, special forces, CIA agent of sculpted masculine perfection with a perfect body and face that all women probably are going to fap to. The stereotype is pretty bad. Oddly enough he has the whole 'by the book' "God d*mn it macclane!!!" attitude that's typical for a stereotypical police chief or the main bad guy. My friend mentioned they never really said why john and john jr. hated each other so much that they just do. You know just because. I suppose john didn't spend enough time with the son and said son had daddy issues because of that. Meh. Typical stuff in these movies though understandable a bit even if over-done.

At the end we're treated to the macclane family walking away in a typical perfect american family "let's get along 5 minutes for the audience and then kill each other off screen type of way" and it was even complete with music to throw out a mood for a family we never see any depth to (i guess john is just the typical caring every-man father we can all relate to looking out for his kids that goes through infinite explosions because most average fathers do that for their kids). Considering the family it wouldn't surprise me.


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So yeah my opinion of the movie is that it's decent. Not good just alright. It's basically die hard but even lacking in that respect somewhat. Kind of a poor showing for the series. Sure in some parts it wasn't as over the top but in some ways like randomly falling into a pool or scaffolding it was. The movie surprisingly felt short which may be there for the audience's typical attention span. I can see how too much action would be kind of dumb but too little in this movie left me wanting. It honestly felt like the movie was on a lower budget or at least that was my take on it.

Sadly because it was president's day it was 10 dollars per ticket only because we saw the movie 20 minutes after the time cut off for 5 dollars per ticket (some odd time of day showing). Definitely not worth 10 bucks and probably just worth 5 bucks to see. I can't say how this movie was in 3D and maybe it was better but even then i'd doubt it's worth that price even. I dunno these days you normally get too little for your money. Don't expect much. Not terrible but don't expect much.

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Just a few comments that I'll post in a sentence or two in spoiler tags as a response. I just want to make sure that I cover things that might get caught in the preview hover function.


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The scaffolding scene was spotted by John, and it was said by Kamarov that the top floor was closed in 1989 and was under construction, so scaffolding wouldn't be a plot hole in that regard. They show that there are some injuries, but yes not the type of injuries that one might expect to see when falling 15 feet, hitting a piece of canvas, and then falling through a floor of wooden planks. When they leave this scene, they are very visibly injured and Jack even has a piece of metal sticking out of him, albeit a small piece. The pool of water was seen earlier in the final scenes when they walk by, and John comments to Jack, "What does this remind you of?" And Jack replies, "New York." So they definitely knew that it existed, aiming their jump to land in the pool? Yes, that was obviously movie magic, but this is John Fething McClane we're talking about here... excusing the strange events of the 4th film, this man has done some pretty extraordinary things, landing in a pool of water seems rather dull compared to the rest of his exploits.

The reason why John McClane was able to figure out that Kamarov was lying is because when he and Jack were bound up about to be executed, Kamarov was already in the hands of his daughter and the rest of the thugs on the helicopter. So Alik was able to bare a bit of himself to John and Jack before he killed them. It would have been a different story if Alik had been constantly tap dancing through the film, and When John asked him where the dancer was, he responded with something along the lines of, "Alik is in a different part of the facility." In fact, they didn't get anything out of Kamarov at that point until John saw the dead body, which no one bothered to remove, of course he was going to see it lying there.

Also remember, the Jeep wasn't parked, John was nearly run over by it as he was trying to commandeer a new vehicle after he wrecked the parked truck, which was parked near a building, and it's driver was in sight of the camera when he stole it. Conveniently placed? yes, but again this is a movie we're talking about, at least giant eagles didn't swoop in an take him to where he needed to get to.

As for Chernobyl, Russia tried their damnedest to hide that from getting out, they even said in the film they held a children's parade the next day to show people that nothing was wrong. And I'm sure that Jack, being the by the books Russian expert he seemed to be, probably would have known that while there is still a chance for radiation poisoning, he would know that some people still live in the area, even after the accident in 1986. And let's be honest, using a famous site for their plot was a lot better, than some fake Russian city or underground silo, I thought it added some nice background for the film, mostly because everyone knows something about Chernobyl, whether it was from the video games that take place there, the 1 or 2 missions in the few Modern Warfare games, or just knowing what happened there, I bet 75% of the audience have a basic knowledge of the place.

As for the relationship between John and Jack, I felt they did a good job explaining the stressed relationship between the two of them. John had no idea where his son was until that police report came through, he had a gun pointed at him, showing him that his son definitely did not want to see him there in Russia. This goes back and forth between the two of them, and comes to a bit of a climax in the ballroom scene where Jack tells John that John is not going to open up to him just before they die, meaning that Jack would have no reason to be angry at his father when he died, something that up until a few scenes later, was something that Jack was okay with.

If you dig into a little bit of Die Hard history, Jack was in the original die hard film as a young boy, so Jack was having to grow up with all of this rather strange stuff happening to his dad, couple that with his dad always working probably one of the reasons for the divorce between John and his wife, Jack probably went to live with his mother like his sister did. I felt the relationship was well done. Though I think the Jack's actor could have done a bit of a better job. Oh well



I enjoyed the film, I thought it was a solid film, not award winning, but a good one to go, buy some popcorn and enjoy gak get blown up.

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@alfndrate:

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That still doesn't explain why they walked around in chernobyl with no protective gear even if the radiation is probably at somewhat lower levels considering all those years of waiting. It just also seems a little odd to me when some event in history is tied to some baddies in a movie. I suppose i could see it happening but it felt a little ridiculous to me.

I think you're right about some of this though esp. the jeep though a jeep should never over-power a huge freaking apc and knock it to the side in a car chase like that. It'd probably get wrecked like an empty soda can.

Did they see scaffolding in that particular area of the building when coming up though? For all they knew there was no scaffolding in the area they jumped to or it could've been many floors not in the right area. I dunno it just seemed a bit unplanned to me somewhat.


I still felt the movie was short and less action filled over-all not to mention seemingly less bad guys and obstacles to go through in comparison to the last movie. Gotta say i prefered the last one even if i didn't totally like the Macintosh actor's character for the most part or some of the overly ridiculous stunts (once again refering to the scene with the jet more than anything else).

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See I was let down for it being a Die Hard. And trust me I didn't have high expectations, I just left feeling bored. I guess being in the Health Physics field leaves me pointing out too many flaws and misunderstandings about radiation to myself to enjoy it fully.

Now Die Hard 4 on the other hand, when McClane punched that woman in during the power grid fight scene, I got a slow clap started around the theater lol.
   
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Die Hard never made any sense to me as a franchise. The main character is defined by his ordinariness, the plot being based on the idea that it could have been anyone that ended up in that building when the terrorists attack.

The plot beats were novel, but they only made sense as one off events. So having the same cop just happen to be in a place where some other group of thieves was making a pretend terrorist attack in order to steal loads of money, and then have it happen again, and then again, and then probably again in the new movie is just stupid.

Really, all Die Hard as franchise could ever mean was 'Bruce Willis is cool and he was in that beloved Die Hard movie, so we've given this new movie with Bruce Willis the same name, please ignore the contrivances to make this like the first one, and instead just look at the explosions and Bruce Willis being cool.'

So predictably, the sequels have all sucked pretty bad. Even with the odd good action scene and with Bruce Willis being cool.

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 sebster wrote:
Die Hard never made any sense to me as a franchise. The main character is defined by his ordinariness, the plot being based on the idea that it could have been anyone that ended up in that building when the terrorists attack.

The plot beats were novel, but they only made sense as one off events. So having the same cop just happen to be in a place where some other group of thieves was making a pretend terrorist attack in order to steal loads of money, and then have it happen again, and then again, and then probably again in the new movie is just stupid.

Really, all Die Hard as franchise could ever mean was 'Bruce Willis is cool and he was in that beloved Die Hard movie, so we've given this new movie with Bruce Willis the same name, please ignore the contrivances to make this like the first one, and instead just look at the explosions and Bruce Willis being cool.'

So predictably, the sequels have all sucked pretty bad. Even with the odd good action scene and with Bruce Willis being cool.

Yea....

The last good Willis movie is RED. I hope the sequel is just as good.

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I agree, in that RED was good, and the first Die Hard was good, but nothing else was.

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Yea....

The last good Willis movie is RED. I hope the sequel is just as good.


Yeah. Shame is that Willis is a really charismatic screen presence, and he could have made a lot of good action movies. I mean, the guy brought something to Die Hard that not many other leading men could do. But if you look at the rest of his film career there's a lot more misses than hits, and in among all of that is four Die Hard sequels and I can't help but think that maybe if he'd just done four original action movies instead maybe one or two of them might have been good.



I thought RED was okay. Lots of points for Helen Mirren on a machine gun, but to be honest there just weren't that many other highlights. Just a by the numbers action film, except the heroes were old.

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 flamingkillamajig wrote:
@alfndrate:

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That still doesn't explain why they walked around in chernobyl with no protective gear even if the radiation is probably at somewhat lower levels considering all those years of waiting. It just also seems a little odd to me when some event in history is tied to some baddies in a movie. I suppose i could see it happening but it felt a little ridiculous to me.

I think you're right about some of this though esp. the jeep though a jeep should never over-power a huge freaking apc and knock it to the side in a car chase like that. It'd probably get wrecked like an empty soda can.

Did they see scaffolding in that particular area of the building when coming up though? For all they knew there was no scaffolding in the area they jumped to or it could've been many floors not in the right area. I dunno it just seemed a bit unplanned to me somewhat.


I still felt the movie was short and less action filled over-all not to mention seemingly less bad guys and obstacles to go through in comparison to the last movie. Gotta say i prefered the last one even if i didn't totally like the Macintosh actor's character for the most part or some of the overly ridiculous stunts (once again refering to the scene with the jet more than anything else).




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The radiation thing never bothered me considering that the big meaty muscle was walking around without a shirt on. I'm sure most of the people in protective gear were doing so simply for precaution. I understand that they sprayed down the inner vault with that "radiation nullifying" crap, and no one seemed to care after that point, not to mention that all of the nameless inept guards were wearing simple masks and combat fatigues, so it wasn't a major issue for me. As for the jeep hitting the APC, remember Bruce barely touched it when the chase scene ended, the reason why it flew of the side of the bridge and on to it's side was because of the concrete walk barriers, it had less to do with Bruce in the jeep, and more to do with the environment around them. I mean, the few times that the jeep ran into the APC, it barely moved it.

As for the scaffolding, yes you could see the frame of it when Bruce looked out the window. The shot was a split second, but you could clearly see it. Of course it was unplanned, this is the Die Hard series we're talking about, the man is truly lucky to be alive after all of the things he's done, and that's what makes rooting for McClane so much fun.


I felt the film was too short, but since my dad and I were on a time crunch before a doctor's appointment he forgot about, Die Hard fit perfectly in to our schedule, I thought that it had plenty of action, the first 20 to thirty minutes were almost non-stop action, the scene in the ballroom had exposition, but still had a good gun scene, and the final bits were plenty of action. The one piece that really jumped out at me as annoying was when
Spoiler:
the gun fight with the big beefy guy had all those gas lines being shot, and then McClane delivers the grenade via the fork lift... And they didn't all burn to a crisp... that's the only thing that annoyed me about the film. The heat in the room would have been enough to take out the McClanes, there was even a shot where the flames wrapped around the column and partially engulfed Jack... oh well


Overall, I felt it was enjoyable, but then again I wasn't expecting movie of the year quality from it either.

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I’m boycotting the new Die Hard film, I though 4 was appalling and everyone is saying this is even worse.

I don’t mind the first 2 sequels, in fact ‘With a Vengence’ is excellent. It’s also the only sequel where John McTiernan was back in the director’s chair, and it shows. It’s has a similar feel to the first film.

You know what else is a damn good Bruce Willis film? The Last Boy Scout. It’s got nothing to do with Die Hard, but just I watched in on TV the other night for the second time ever. The first being when it first came out to rent on VHS in the early 90’s. I’d forgotten just what a great film it was. Not sure why I’m mentioning it, I just think it deserves some love.

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 LuciusAR wrote:
I’m boycotting the new Die Hard film, I though 4 was appalling and everyone is saying this is even worse.


And this is where opinions come in to play. Everyone I've talked to not on the internet has said, "Go see it, it's a good flick." Though 4 was appalling.

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My new favorite video of the first four Die hard movies' plots set to music. (a bunch of uses of the "F" word, so possibly NSFW):


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My wife and I saw it today. We loved it. It was a fun flick with a ton of cool action.

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I can't believe they are still making these things. The first one was awesome for all the reasons Sebster pointed out. The 2nd one was...ehhh OK...but then they made 3rd one? and a 4th and 5th and now 6th?

I hadn't seen any since the 2nd(which I watched on TV BTW)

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They've only made 5... fyi...

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I will probably not see this in the theatre until it hits the cheap seats, and then only if I can get some friends to go.

I have enjoyed the franchise, and actually enjoyed all the things I have seen Bruce Willis in, big fan. From Moonlighting, Die Hard, RED, to Assassination of a High School President, and Oceans 12, Armageddon etc.

I am almost always in the mood to watch a movie with him in it, and probably should go buy some more DVDs of the films I am missing.

 
   
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The plot twist at the end of M. Night kind of bad.

   
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The plot twist at the end of M. Night kind of bad.


You thought that was a plot twist? Huh... I saw that coming a mile away.

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 LordofHats wrote:
The plot twist at the end of M. Night kind of bad.


You thought that was a plot twist? Huh... I saw that coming a mile away.


I saw it coming too which really only makes it worse.

   
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 sebster wrote:
Die Hard never made any sense to me as a franchise. The main character is defined by his ordinariness, the plot being based on the idea that it could have been anyone that ended up in that building when the terrorists attack.

The plot beats were novel, but they only made sense as one off events. So having the same cop just happen to be in a place where some other group of thieves was making a pretend terrorist attack in order to steal loads of money, and then have it happen again, and then again, and then probably again in the new movie is just stupid.

I don't agree with this. I think they could have reused the "Everyman John" concept once, and that's what they did with Die Hard 2. Die Hard 3 went the opposite direction, with a bad guy specifically targeting McClaine because he had a specific grudge against John McClaine.

Die Hard 4 is where they screwed it up, with a bad guy who knows who John McClaine is (someone who almost single-handedly killed his way through three terrorist attacks), has no particular grudge against him, yet still treats him like "Everyman John". It's like if you got into a bar brawl and when you found out that you were up against Mike Tyson your first thought was "I know, I'll make him angry!"

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