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With master of deception, can you grant an infantry IC infiltrate and join a non-infantry unit to infiltrate them in? I know IC with infiltrate can grant their unit the rule

i would say yes if the IC is infantry

As it is currently written you can't due to the IC joining squads once they are already deployed OR join them in reserves, so you can give them infiltration as long as leave them on reserves and attach the IC. Otherwise you need to spend giving infiltration to both the unit & the IC so that they can be deployed at the end of the deployment phase.

It says "Infantry Units", do IC count as a Unit at all?

It seems possible.

Slaanesh-Devotee wrote:
It says "Infantry Units", do IC count as a Unit at all?

It seems possible.

IC's are indeed infantry (unless mounted) but they can't pass their infiltration to another unit, unless attached to it. To attach an IC to a unit the unit must already be deployed therefore making infiltration useless if you attack him.

Yes but you roll for your warlord traits before deployment


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So you roll for your warlord trait, unless you have Ahriman, get master of deception. Then roll a d3 and assign whoever you want to infiltrate for instance typhus. When it comes times to declare your reserves you say "typhus and 35 man zombie squad is infiltrating or outflanking


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As well how would you attach an IC to a deepstriking squad :S

Deep striking and outflanking are different.

Typhus has permission to Infiltrate. ICs join a unit at deployment by a) being placed in coherency or b) being declared as joined if the IC and unit are both in Reserves.

You're trying to Infiltrate, so B cannot be true. You deploy the unit (which doesn't have Infiltrate) in your normal deployment zone. Now you deploy Typhus in coherency, but have no permission to re-deploy the zombies.

Ub3rb3n wrote:
Yes but you roll for your warlord traits before deployment


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So you roll for your warlord trait, unless you have Ahriman, get master of deception. Then roll a d3 and assign whoever you want to infiltrate for instance typhus. When it comes times to declare your reserves you say "typhus and 35 man zombie squad is infiltrating or outflanking


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As well how would you attach an IC to a deepstriking squad :S

For the zombies it works as long as you roll 2 or 3 on the D3 and spend them on both the IC and the unit. Otherwise as stated by rigeld2 you deploy the zombies first and the attach the IC making infiltration useless.

Off-topic - Huron Blackheart gets master of deception as well.

rigeld2 wrote:
Deep striking and outflanking are different.

Typhus has permission to Infiltrate. ICs join a unit at deployment by a) being placed in coherency or b) being declared as joined if the IC and unit are both in Reserves.

You're trying to Infiltrate, so B cannot be true. You deploy the unit (which doesn't have Infiltrate) in your normal deployment zone. Now you deploy Typhus in coherency, but have no permission to re-deploy the zombies.

I think you are getting scout move and infiltrate confused

Infiltrators are deployed after both army's have been deployed

Ub3rb3n wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:
Deep striking and outflanking are different.

Typhus has permission to Infiltrate. ICs join a unit at deployment by a) being placed in coherency or b) being declared as joined if the IC and unit are both in Reserves.

You're trying to Infiltrate, so B cannot be true. You deploy the unit (which doesn't have Infiltrate) in your normal deployment zone. Now you deploy Typhus in coherency, but have no permission to re-deploy the zombies.

I think you are getting scout move and infiltrate confused

Infiltrators are deployed after both army's have been deployed

No, I'm not. I'm aware of that.

Typhus has permission to not deploy with the rest of your army. The only ways for him to join a unit are a) to be deployed with them or b) be declared to be joined in Reserves.

Find permission to not deploy the zombies.

So say shrike who has infiltrate is he now not allowed to join a unit that doesn't have infiltrate and infiltrate them?

Same goes for anyone outflanking

It's not just "now" it's "always been that way but likely not intended so no one cares".

And outflanking is allowed because you declare they're joined in Reserves and can therefore Outflank.

same with deploying as an infiltrator, for a unit that contains at least one model with infiltrate are deployed last. If typhus is declared to be in a squad with zombies hes good they can infiltrate


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raw not as intented

Ub3rb3n wrote:
same with deploying as an infiltrator, for a unit that contains at least one model with infiltrate are deployed last. If typhus is declared to be in a squad with zombies hes good they can infiltrate

Typhus can only be declared to be joined if he is in Reserves. Infiltrating is not Reserves.
If he is not in Reserves he must join by being placed in coherency.

Ub3rb3n wrote:
same with deploying as an infiltrator, for a unit that contains at least one model with infiltrate are deployed last. If typhus is declared to be in a squad with zombies hes good they can infiltrate


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raw not as intented

RAW he can't. You can't join units before deploying, you need to deploy them on the table then after they are already on the table add any IC, that's the way it works for every unit. If you leave them in reserves for outflank/deepstrike then they aren't placed on the table and can join an IC who is also placed in reserves.

You are getting wrong the order of deployment, you NEED to put everything without infiltration on the table when deploying, then you can attach your IC, but by that point is already to late since the unit is already deployed. The unit does not contain a model with infiltration, not until the IC joins, and you can't join before placing them on the table.

Same goes with Shriek.

What's the point of stating that "at least one model in the unit..." And then excluding IC's from joining infiltrators if they do not have the rule, rather then disallowing them altogether if the IC has infiltrate or not.

Because, as I said before, the intent is for them to work.
The rules just aren't written that way.