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 Peregrine wrote:

Selym wrote:
The part that you're missing is that I haven't yet worked out the mechanics for the campaign. Right now, I'm just seeing who's interested. If nobody wanted to play, there would be no point trying

But you've already said that the games don't have to be against other campaign players (since hardly anyone would be in the same location as another player). So how is that a game? How does it make sense that my IG play a game against a random space marine player at my local store, therefore my faction gets points and progresses in our fight against the orks to claim their map tile? There's no overall strategy unifying the armies, no dramatic conflicts between the players involved, just everyone playing their normal games and adding up which "side" won more often.

I would like to point out that was how GW ran the 13 Black Crusade and Armageddon tournaments, and they worked out quite well. I just need to find a way to get it to work, because if I just say "Dakka vs Dakka" only, then there would be practically no battles at all. If there were multiple players for each race, they would be able to contact eachother through here to organise a strategy of some kind.

The way GW had their campaigns work, was that it was never about the number of wins, it was about how the battle progressed, and how it affected other factors. They worked out morale, locations, resources etc to balance the game. In the 13th black crusade campaign, there were far more imperial players than there were chaos, and the imperials failed miserably.

Great idea getting another campaign going.

I was the Disorder commander for DDWWC 1

Here's my thoughts for a possible DDWWC 2 if you want to take a look, as it doesn't look like i will be able to run them myself any time soon.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/486738.page

@Peregrine - if you're not interested, don't participate

Fluffwise though, i see it as something like this:

Your IG defeat some random Eldar, causing them to pull more forces from their other front against the Orks. This strengthens overall Ork control of the area, as they gain more ground.

Personally im not sure i'd use the tile system, but that's personal preference rather than it being a bad idea.

 Ascalam wrote:
Fluffwise though, i see it as something like this:

Your IG defeat some random Eldar, causing them to pull more forces from their other front against the Orks. This strengthens overall Ork control of the area, as they gain more ground.

That works for an occasional battle, but not as a general rule. Fluff-wise you don't have an occasional raid to draw forces elsewhere, you have an entire campaign being fought as nothing more than a series of "defeat some random other force so your enemy shifts their attention" with the armies involved never engaging in direct combat.


Also, you misunderstood my example:

IG (in the campaign) play Eldar (not involved).

IG player gets credit for a win, and contributes points to their side.

IG faction makes progress in their fight against the Orks (since that's the tile the IG are currently fighting over, while the Eldar are on the other side of the map dealing with the Necrons).

This makes no sense fluff-wise, and it's going to be the majority of your games.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Ascalam wrote:
Fluffwise though, i see it as something like this:

Your IG defeat some random Eldar, causing them to pull more forces from their other front against the Orks. This strengthens overall Ork control of the area, as they gain more ground.

That works for an occasional battle, but not as a general rule. Fluff-wise you don't have an occasional raid to draw forces elsewhere, you have an entire campaign being fought as nothing more than a series of "defeat some random other force so your enemy shifts their attention" with the armies involved never engaging in direct combat.


Also, you misunderstood my example:

IG (in the campaign) play Eldar (not involved).

IG player gets credit for a win, and contributes points to their side.

IG faction makes progress in their fight against the Orks (since that's the tile the IG are currently fighting over, while the Eldar are on the other side of the map dealing with the Necrons).

This makes no sense fluff-wise, and it's going to be the majority of your games.

Unless someone rules that a race can only war with a race it is able to physically make contact with in the campaign.
As for playing with non-participants, people should be encouraged to get their gaming group all in on this, once I've got the mechanics figured. That way, we will see more batlles of people who are directly involved, even if it's not necessarily all done through dakka vs dakka.
For anyone who either collects multiple armies, knows another gamer who collects multiple armies, or goes to a LGS, there shouldn't be too much difficulty in finding the relevant race to fight with. All you'd have to do is walk in to the gaming place, and say "does anyone here play Orks/Tau/Eldar/IG/SM/etc?", and then proceed to explain about the campaign.

The inter-player logistics isn't actually that difficult.

Fair enough.

Personally i would do it as IOM vs Not IOM, if i ran it.

Your IG beat a non -Campaign enemy- points to IOM for that world.

They beat you, minus to IOM points for that world.


Granted it does take a stretch to be fighting Eldar on an ork-held world, and somehow affect the Orks by doing so on a consistent basis, but the only way to make a 'realistic' campaign work would be to restrict it to Dakka members only, and try to arrange matchups according to very intricate fluff. As we're spread all over the world, and often hundreds of miles from the next dakkaite, it would be a logistical nightmare to arrange and run.

DDWWC1 was a bear to organise and manage, and that was with a half-dozen commanders and a control team.

If someone ever manages to arrange a campaign that tracks every faction in every country according to tight fluff based on which combatants are able to fight each other, where and when, i'd happily sign up. I'd also shake the hand of the genius that made it happen, and got it to work..

 Ascalam wrote:
Fair enough.

Personally i would do it as IOM vs Not IOM, if i ran it.

Your IG beat a non -Campaign enemy- points to IOM for that world.

They beat you, minus to IOM points for that world.


Granted it does take a stretch to be fighting Eldar on an ork-held world, and somehow affect the Orks by doing so on a consistent basis, but the only way to make a 'realistic' campaign work would be to restrict it to Dakka members only, and try to arrange matchups according to very intricate fluff. As we're spread all over the world, and often hundreds of miles from the next dakkaite, it would be a logistical nightmare to arrange and run.

DDWWC1 was a bear to organise and manage, and that was with a half-dozen commanders and a control team.

If someone ever manages to arrange a campaign that tracks every faction in every country according to tight fluff based on which combatants are able to fight each other, where and when, i'd happily sign up. I'd also shake the hand of the genius that made it happen, and got it to work..

I second that motion (shaking the genius' hand). And I agree, we'd need some radical thinking to make fighting eldar on an ork world logically (and fluffially) viable.

Daemon worlds, Webway feth-ups, and inter-dimensional technology spring to mind

I'd be willing to help out. Maybe with some fluff/logic stuff, though I'll give a shot to whatever you'd need help with

 Hive Fleet Lazarus wrote:
I'd be willing to help out. Maybe with some fluff/logic stuff, though I'll give a shot to whatever you'd need help with

If you were able to design a mechanic for morale that can be applies to either planetary level, or between locations on a single planet, that would be genius

Selym wrote:

 Hive Fleet Lazarus wrote:
I'd be willing to help out. Maybe with some fluff/logic stuff, though I'll give a shot to whatever you'd need help with

If you were able to design a mechanic for morale that can be applies to either planetary level, or between locations on a single planet, that would be genius

I'll se what I can do. Just finished a bunch of exams so I got a bunch of free time

Let's resurrect this thread (because I wanna play!)... the weekend killed it. :(

Is there any way that a Forgeworld army would be allowed? Perhaps if I changed the fluff of it to suit the campaign?

I play the IA:9 Tyrants Legion, so it isn't exactly overpowered. (6 losses, 3 draws. Haha)

Regardless, I'm looking forward to seeing what becomes of this! =)

 Marsden wrote:
Is there any way that a Forgeworld army would be allowed? Perhaps if I changed the fluff of it to suit the campaign?

I play the IA:9 Tyrants Legion, so it isn't exactly overpowered. (6 losses, 3 draws. Haha)

Regardless, I'm looking forward to seeing what becomes of this! =)

As long as your opponents agree to its use, it could be a fluffed in as marines and guardsmen working closely together, and with the current ally rules, it probably won't be alone in its styling

I volunteer to help run the numbers if you want. My current situation means I don't really play enough games to make a difference, so I could devote that time to running numbers, posting results, etc. PM me if you think my services would be helpful.

Im very interested. Would definitely like to get involved. Just let us know how to enter when youve worked out how it will all be run

Im in.

I also dont mind helping if I am needed.

I would like to see how this goes

The Warp Angels chapter offers assistance to the campain in anyway needed

This could be a lot of fun. I'm excited to see how it pans out. My main opponent is Eldar, but he's also a recruitment powerhouse so two other guys one Tau, one IG, along with my neighbors being GW employees. I think finding multiple races to play won't be a problem (beyond working past a bit of shyness to initiate gaming with neighbors I've only met in passing).

I'll bring Sven Bloodhowl's Company to the fray!

Count me in, im sure all the lads i play with will be up for it too, however you work it out in the end. Dont listen to all the doom and gloomers (he knows who he is...haters gonna hate). Keep us posted.

Id play as guard

I was one of the admins of the last campaign, and if this starts getting off the ground then I'd be willing to help. Last time we created a couple faction-specific forums to help organize things and post battle-reports without having to spam this forum. If we do this again then I think I'm just gonna make 1 central forum with password protected sections for each faction, that way the other factions can actually interact with each other a bit more.

We're gonna have to figure out how to sustain interest though, after about 3 weeks the campaign turn-out really started to die off.

EDIT:

Ok, so here is my final campaign system.

The campaign has a pre-set time limit.
When the time is up, all armies' owned 'Front'- and Warp tiles will be added together (unless the army has no 'Front' tiles left, in which case it is eliminated).
The army with the most tiles wins the campaign on that planet. (Note that this is determined separately for each planet)
On each planet, there is a Master tile for each fighting faction.

Each Master tile is composed of 30 smaller 'Front' tiles, that can be captured by enemy forces,
the first 'Front' tile an enemy captures must be chosen from any edge.
Any further captured tiles must be touching at least one other friendly tile.


If two of the same army are fighting against each other, that army gains a 'Warp' tile. This tile never shows on the map. There are also some exceptions to this for some armies.
if any army's 'Front' tiles are reduced to zero, then that army is eliminated from the campaign. (No matter how many 'Warp tiles' it has)


2 Planets in the same Large solar system.
Specific armies fighting on each planet.

The first planet would be ravaged by a severe warp storm, where chaos would have a very powerful influence and everyone could fight against each other.
The planet's threat level would be too great for the Imperium, so every chapter would contribute something to the fight.
Chaos corruption would explain the conflicts between the different space marine chapters and also between different chaos gods.

Planet 1 (Chaos Planet) (IoM vs Chaos).
Grey Knights
Space Marines
Imperial Guard
Space Wolves
Blood Angels
Black Templars
Dark Angels
Sisters of Battle
Chaos Space Marines
Chaos Daemons

Any IoM vs IoM battles will happen on this planet, but these battles are resolved as IoM vs Chaos battles. Players must decide which army is the Corrupted army, before the game begins.
Of 2 Grey Knights forces fighting each other, the other one is assumed to be under a parasite's control or perhaps a daemon god's mind control (like Eternal Dance). Nevertheless, from this battle, the IoM gains one 'Warp tile'.
On this planet, only Grey Knights, Chaos Daemons and Chaos Space Marines gain 'Warp tiles', by fighting against each other.
The IoM can claim a 'Front' tile for each battle their side has won against a Chaos side, and vice versa.



The Second planet could be a nearby Imperial planet, housing an ancient device of immense power that could destroy everything living in the solar system. All Imperial forces/marine chapters would contribute.

Tyranids would consider this planet as any other, attempting to consume all biomatter on it, they don't care about the device. Communication from the hive mind may break down every now and then, causing instinctive fighting.
Necrons would seek this device to destroy all organic beings in the system. Fights between lords are possible.
Orks have heard of the 'supa-killy wotsit calld' on the planet and all nearby Warbosses have set their eyes on it . A battle between Warbosses is inevitable
Tau Empire is beginning it's fourth sphere expansion and are always looking to reverse-engineer ancient advanced technology. Renegade factions may fight the main force (For various reasons, like Farsight)
Eldar are attempting to seize the device for themselves and especially to prevent the Necrons from getting their hands on it. The Different Eldar factions have different agendas.
Dark Eldar are looking to modify the device in order to get all the souls of those it destroys. Infighting for obvious reasons.

But if any of the Imperium's forces (IG, Marine chapters or Sisters) would fight each other, then the fight would be 'fought' on the Chaos planet.
Chaos Space Marines may fight against anyone on all planets. Infighting between chaos gods.
Chaos Daemons may fight against anyone on all planets. Infighting between chaos gods.
Grey Knights may fight against anyone (Including Imperium's forces) on all planets. Infighting between parasite controlled or mind controlled armies.
So for example: A Tau vs Imperial Guard battle would always happen on this planet, while a Space Marines vs Imperial Guard would happen on the FIRST planet.

Planet 2 (Artifact Planet) (All Races)
Space Marines
Imperial Guard
Sisters of Battle
Blood Angels
Space Wolves
Dark Angels
Black Templars
Grey Knights
Tau Empire
Tyranids
Orks
Necrons
Eldar
Dark Eldar
Chaos Marines
Chaos Daemons

If the battle could be fought on either of the planets, then the player must decide on which planet it is fought.
Note that IoM vs IoM battles cannot occur on the artifact planet. (So chaos or IoM won't be over-presented.)

That's a pretty cool idea. The idea of 2 planets strikes me as something that could work.

 Typhus the Betrayer wrote:
That's a pretty cool idea. The idea of 2 planets strikes me as something that could work.

Thanks!

Theres only the small problem with two of the same armies fighting each other.

I mean there's no issue with IG fighting another IG (Because one side is always the corrupted one), but daemons vs daemons is a little more difficult..
What effect could it possibly have in a campaign fought between the Imperium and Chaos
It could not have a negative effect, or no effect because then the fight would be pointless..

The ideal solution would be to disallow same army fights altogether, but it would limit some players' chances to participate. :(

I think it makes perfect sense, fluff-wise anyway. I think at the VERY least this is a great starting off point, if not the way to go. It keeps things simple, but organised and interesting. Over complication could be very detrimental to this kind of thing. I also don't think two of the same army playing each other will be too big of an issue. I'm sure the people that are interested in this know enough people that play an army different from theirs. Great start!

Daemons fight each other all the time...

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
Daemons fight each other all the time...

Yes but it should be reflected in the campaign.
If Imperium claims a tile from chaos when it defeats a daemon army.
Then what happens if chaos army defeats a chaos army? They cannot capture a tile from themselves or the imperium..

HawkWall wrote:

 Andilus Greatsword wrote:
Daemons fight each other all the time...

Yes but it should be reflected in the campaign.
If Imperium claims a tile from chaos when it defeats a daemon army.
Then what happens if chaos army defeats a chaos army? They cannot capture a tile from themselves or the imperium..

It's probably best not to worry about the sense of it too much. Ideally, a tile should be won by having multiple battles on the same site rather than just a single one, which should solve that problem.

DDWC 2 is on hold currently. Fair amount of stuff on most of the former admins plates etc.

I'm all for any events like this however, the more the merrier!

Removed

So the first 9 people to submit a battle between those forces decide the fate of the whole tile? Two friends over a weekend could end up fighting half of those battles if not more, and if one is much better than the other (take my brother and I), the army my brother plays will end up winning the tile for the whole campaign, regardless of what any other dakka users want to do if we happen to get the first few batreps in.

I could be misunderstanding the system though.