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I've been toying around with the new codex and trying to come up with something tough and fluffy at the same time. Comments and questions welcomed.

155 Master P. Relic, AA, Mace of Redemtion
175 Chaplain Rec, AA, Monster Slayer

275 Tact Squad x10 ML w/Flakk, Melta, PF RZB TLLC
275 Tact Squad x10 ML w/Flakk, Melta, PF RZB TLLC
275 Tact Squad x10 ML w/Flakk, Melta, PF RZB TLLC

260 DW Squad THSS x3 LCx2 CML

231 Ravenwing Bikes x6 Melta, Flamer Attack Bike w/MM

95 Landspeeder Typhoon w/MM

105 Assault Squad LC, Flamer w/o Jump Packs Drop Pod

1846 Total

Run the HQ's with the assault squad and come in on the first turn close to or in the enemy deployment zone. After the enemy turn you could possibly assault 3 different targets depending on how the enemy shooting phase goes.

Combat squad the tact squads to capture objectives. The bikes and speeder can move up toward the last couple ot turns to deny your opponent any objectives.

Long range has 3 Flakk ML, 3 TLLC, 1 CML and 1 TML. That's 8 possible shots from up to 48" away. At 24" you'll have 2 MM.

The HQ's will be monsters in CC against anything with a armor of 3 or worse. As long as the master is alive, his unit will be immune to instant death. Them having a 2+ and a 4+ invul will be a pain in the ass to deal with.

So what do you think?

Gundor wrote:
I've been toying around with the new codex and trying to come up with something tough and fluffy at the same time. Comments and questions welcomed.

155 Master P. Relic, AA, Mace of Redemtion
175 Chaplain Rec, AA, Monster Slayer

275 Tact Squad x10 ML w/Flakk, Melta, PF RZB TLLC
275 Tact Squad x10 ML w/Flakk, Melta, PF RZB TLLC
275 Tact Squad x10 ML w/Flakk, Melta, PF RZB TLLC

260 DW Squad THSS x3 LCx2 CML

231 Ravenwing Bikes x6 Melta, Flamer Attack Bike w/MM

95 Landspeeder Typhoon w/MM

105 Assault Squad LC, Flamer w/o Jump Packs Drop Pod

1846 Total

Run the HQ's with the assault squad and come in on the first turn close to or in the enemy deployment zone. After the enemy turn you could possibly assault 3 different targets depending on how the enemy shooting phase goes.

Combat squad the tact squads to capture objectives. The bikes and speeder can move up toward the last couple ot turns to deny your opponent any objectives.

Long range has 3 Flakk ML, 3 TLLC, 1 CML and 1 TML. That's 8 possible shots from up to 48" away. At 24" you'll have 2 MM.

The HQ's will be monsters in CC against anything with a armor of 3 or worse. As long as the master is alive, his unit will be immune to instant death. Them having a 2+ and a 4+ invul will be a pain in the ass to deal with.

So what do you think?

The list doesn't do anything well. It's bad in CC, it's bad in shooting, and it's bad in alpha-strike.

1. Assault squad with the two ic's will die a horrible death without any support ( The single assault DW squad isn't really a threat, and you're wasting Vengeful Strike the turn you come in.)
If you're committed to using this pick Azreal instead, who's an infinitely better hq in every way over a company master.

2. Chaplains are bad, as is the Monster Slayer. Get a librarian instead, or an Interrogator Chaplain with the Mace.

3. If you're going razorbacks, take 6 of them in 5 man squads and drop the melta. Twin linked las is pretty bad in the current meta, so go for plasma/hb spam.

4. A single Landspeeder Typhoon isn't going to accomplish much besides getting shot down for first blood.

5. Don't bother with the single ravenwing squad, take black knights if you want a support bike unit. They are infinitely better at everything.









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With DA you need to focus on either shooting or Deathwing or Ravenwing. A mix generally isn't great as the units do not synergise with each other.

Wow! You have no tact what so ever in what you just said. Stating that this sucks and that sucks does nothing and makes you look bad.

Let's see your list and see if you can make it without being all RW or DW.

Gundor wrote:
Wow! You have no tact what so ever in what you just said. Stating that this sucks and that sucks does nothing and makes you look bad.

Let's see your list and see if you can make it without being all RW or DW.

What do you want me to build? Greenwing? or just a competitive TAC DA list? Allies/ No Allies?

Its not really the best list, but you said you wanted a bit of everything and you have that.

The Typhoon is 85pts btw, not 95. And if youre running them, you need more, or its free first blood and wont do much solo. Unless you deepstrike it as a suicide speeder. Better hit something expensive though. I love speeders, but you have to use them right.

Id loose the Assault Squad. DA are more shooty than choppy. Id switch up the HQ's for maybe Belial and add some more termies to your DW squad. At least take in Interrogator Chaplain if youre taking one. And put him in TDA with the DW.

I think you might be better served by a Pred than all those Razors. Stick with the cheap razor (HB) if you want them, thats what I do. They wont last long.

Switch up the Ravenwing for Black Knights, they are better if you are only bringing one RW unit.


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Gundor wrote:
Wow! You have no tact what so ever in what you just said. Stating that this sucks and that sucks does nothing and makes you look bad.

Let's see your list and see if you can make it without being all RW or DW.

Thats not what he did at all. He may have been a bit blunt, but he wasnt exactly rude. If you read his points they are actually perfectly legitimate, and he points out the things that it may be worth changing, and what he recommends.

Dont be so defensive mate. If you put a list on here, it means its here to be critiqued. Thats what he did.

Here, an infinitely better TAC all inclusive list.

Librarian
Infrafisor, Power Field Generator

Command Squad
Banner of Devastation

Deathwing Kinghts x5
Land Raider Crusader
Multi Melta

3 Tac Squad x5
Plasma Cannon
Razorback Lascannon x2

Fast Attack
Ravenwing Black Knights x 5
1 Grenade Launcher
Ravenwing Darkshroud
Ravenwing Support Squadron
Speeder Heavy Flamer, Multi Melta x2

Fortress of Redemption
Heavy Bolters

1850 exactly.

Librarian in the fortress or Land Raider giving everything a 4++ invuln. Fortress is an unassailable 14/14/14 Flyer/Infanfry slaughtering bastion. Troops inside get 80 Salvo bolter shots if anyone comes within 24" range. Deathwing and Ravenwing hunt warlords/sow havoc and are completely disposable. If not a multiwing list I would drop the LRC and get more Dakka in the form of autocannon preds or more troops.

Asmodai: The FoR is bit over the top.
The original list a bit of all and nothing. HQs, Assault squad, single Speeder are questionable as are the flakk missile launchers in the Tacticals. The whole should be more than the sum of the parts.

BTW, you can only take 1 chapter relic.

 phoenix darkus wrote:
BTW, you can only take 1 chapter relic.

No, you can take one of each.

I stand corrected! Thanks, had not noticed that.

 wuestenfux wrote:
Asmodai: The FoR is bit over the top.
The original list a bit of all and nothing. HQs, Assault squad, single Speeder are questionable as are the flakk missile launchers in the Tacticals. The whole should be more than the sum of the parts.

Cheesy, but effective