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Ninja Divison Facebook page

http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10151510734354459&id=99556434458&comment_id=28125455#!/NinjaDivision

and a photo from it (presumably one of the intended minis for this)

Wow... That model looks like...GW current standards...not good.

 Valhallan42nd wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:
I am really looking forward to this kickstarter. It seems like it would do a heck of a lot better than the knockoff system.

Between the two, Paulson Games is much more likely to get my money.

Not even a question. The Robotech game is likely to never make it to market anyways, and if it dose and has MDC vs SDC you better run from the store.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Ninja Divison Facebook page

http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10151510734354459&id=99556434458&comment_id=28125455#!/NinjaDivision

and a photo from it (presumably one of the intended minis for this)

Wow that's terrible

Still better than Iron Wind's old molds.

Here is Soda Pop's release on it
Prepare for invasion! Robotech® RPG Tactics™ is a fast paced strategy battle game that brings the epic combat of Robotech to your tabletop. Take command of the fighting forces of the United Earth Defence Force valiantly defending Earth from alien annihilation, or lead the massive clone armies of the Zentradi Empire to recover an alien artifact of immense power and enslave mankind.

Robotech®RPG Tactics™ is designed in partnership with the makers of the popular Robotech®RPG, Palladium Games, and Ninja Division. Ninja Division brings together the design talents of Soda Pop Miniatures and Cipher Studios, makers of Super Dungeon™ Explore, Relic Knights™, Helldorado™, and Anima Tactics™.

Ninja Division is developing an all new, streamlined rules system that allows you to relive the massive battles on your tabletop at home as a stand-alone game or to enhance your Robotech®RPG adventures. This fast-paced, action oriented system is being developed by lead designers: David Freeman designer of the popular Ultimate Fighting System CCG™ and developer on the Lord of the Rings TMG™; and renowned game designer Alessio Cavatore former designer of the Warhammer™ and Warhammer 40k™ systems by Games Workshop, designer of Kings of War™ by Mantic Games, and owner of River Horse Game Studio.

In addition, Ninja Division is bringing their years of miniature design and manufacturing experience to produce an expansive and dynamic range of plastic game pieces, sure to please fans of Robotech and serious collectors alike.

Make sure to keep up on all our latest announcements for this exciting new project by following Ninja Division's facebook page.

Regards,
Carl

Justyn wrote:

Thanks so much! I've had a tough time finding pictures and it's complicated by the fact that macross mechs aren't scaled in relation to each other the way the battletech equivalents are.

I might still pick up a 1/72 model or two as I'm willing to fudge it a bit, but I really appreciate the pic and it makes the 1/60 mechs much more appealing despite the price difference.

The 1/60 Destroids both scale well to the Armorcast 1/60 Battlemechs and the 1/72 ARII Glaug as a Marauder. If you have any of those you will not want to go with 1/72 Destroids they will be far too small. If you don't have those then you have quite a bit more Leeway, as they all look great next to 25mm or 28mm figures.

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Thanks for that. The start for my collection is 3 of the Playmates reissue of Robotech Destroid toys. Basically an Archer, Warhammer and Rifleman, and they are all 7 inches. which seems to put them in between 1/72 and 1/60. They are a bit small to be properly scaled for 28mm, but they still look great along side 28mm figs. I've put in an (Back)order for a 1/100 Glaug (Maurader) which is again technically too small, but should look good alongside the mechs I have. Of course it all goes out the window with a pair of what might be 1/72 or 1/60 Valkyries I was given which are the same size as my Destroid toys. BT fans will not like seeing Stingers and Wasps that are the same size as Riflemen and Warhammers.

Luckly I'm not using Battletech Cannon/names, I just want to be able to play MechAttack in 28mm with cool looking robots.

 IdentifyZero wrote:
I am really looking forward to this kickstarter. It seems like it would do a heck of a lot better than the knockoff system.

How is my game a knock off system? Nothing I have on my drawingboard has anything to do with transforming planes let alone alien invasions.

Considering that I haven't released my system you're trolling a bit early don't you think?

Thanks for that. The start for my collection is 3 of the Playmates reissue of Robotech Destroid toys. Basically an Archer, Warhammer and Rifleman, and they are all 7 inches. which seems to put them in between 1/72 and 1/60. They are a bit small to be properly scaled for 28mm, but they still look great along side 28mm figs. I've put in an (Back)order for a 1/100 Glaug (Maurader) which is again technically too small, but should look good alongside the mechs I have. Of course it all goes out the window with a pair of what might be 1/72 or 1/60 Valkyries I was given which are the same size as my Destroid toys. BT fans will not like seeing Stingers and Wasps that are the same size as Riflemen and Warhammers.

Luckly I'm not using Battletech Cannon/names, I just want to be able to play MechAttack in 28mm with cool looking robots.

Yes I have some of the Playmates as well. The 1/100 Glaug should look great with them. I have a 1/72 Valkyrie That looks good next to the 1/60 stuff as far as B-Tech scale goes, however I rarely use any of the big models in actual games. Cool looking Robots is definitely the way to go. The playmates ones are far cheaper to get a hold of even these days. I envy you there. They just look far too small next to my Armorcast Mechs.

Ninja Divison Facebook page

http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10151510734354459&id=99556434458&comment_id=28125455#!/NinjaDivision

and a photo from it (presumably one of the intended minis for this)



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That looks exactly like what it should look like. Although I don't like the pose much. Hopefully they will make their figures multi-part to avoid annoying anime poses.

I do not think Paulson's will be any type of knockoff, as he is making his own rules and the mecha appear to be quite large (easier for me to paint). Now they have similarities to Mechwarrior and Armored Core (I like this), but he is sticking with what appears to me to be mecha that are similar in the aspect that they have to be to be recognizable as mecha. Where as Robotech tends to follow anime lines I see Paulson's project as closer to the concepts that have always been in European and American fiction (Mechwarrior, BOLO). Personally I will likely support both by the time it is done because I like mecha. Hell I have 200+ Mechwarrior clickys still, so try to keep this on track about the kickstarter.
Regards,
Carl

I do not think Paulson's will be any type of knockoff, as he is making his own rules and the mecha appear to be quite large (easier for me to paint). Now they have similarities to Mechwarrior and Armored Core (I like this), but he is sticking with what appears to me to be mecha that are similar in the aspect that they have to be to be recognizable as mecha. Where as Robotech tends to follow anime lines I see Paulson's project as closer to the concepts that have always been in European and American fiction (Mechwarrior, BOLO). Personally I will likely support both by the time it is done because I like mecha. Hell I have 200+ Mechwarrior clickys still, so try to keep this on track about the kickstarter.
Regards,
Carl

I question where you get the idea that Paulson's are closer to the concepts in Mechwarrior since Mechwarrior is a derivative game of Battletech and Battletech started with Robotech Destroids for art. I hope to see more of his conecpts, and look forward even more to seeing miniatures. Right now they all look too similar, he needs some variety.

I still think I am more likely to support this KS if the miniatures look good, and if they look to be compatible with B-Tech in scale. I hate HG almost as much as I hate Fox exec's so it won't be a lot of support.

Each Mecha will be multi-part multi-posable.

Yes? How tall will the Destroids stand?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
Ninja Divison Facebook page

http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10151510734354459&id=99556434458&comment_id=28125455#!/NinjaDivision

and a photo from it (presumably one of the intended minis for this)

Hmmm not a great translation IMO. I think they need to widen the center head section and do something with the wonky legs. I am quite familiar with the design, its actually one of my faves but the is render did not nail the proportions.

The model seems really thin and underweight, the spartan/gladiator needs to be a bit more squat. I own about a dozen differant versions of the spartan toys and models, I've never seen the kness extended any where close to what's in the render.

Yep... thats what I see as well.

Thats part of the problem when you are working with existing IP, unless you nail the design your going to catch some flack because everyone who knows and loves the model will have an expectaion of what it has to be and where it is falling short.... This will help Paulson due to the fact he can go with the 'rule of cool' rather than sticking to the Manga.

It's the knees that really kill it for me. The original design does look to have a little 'cloth' around the knees, but nearly so much. The 3d model looks much more like a guy in a cardboard Comicon Destroid suit. (which would be kind of cool, especially if there was a few of them in a group).

Thinking further: Proportion fail. It's posed like a human-scale bot might get away with, but it's supposed to be a massive, lumbering war machine. Looks more like an agile skirmisher-type. Also, as others have said, the torso is too thin.

 NoseGoblin wrote:
Yep... thats what I see as well.

Thats part of the problem when you are working with existing IP, unless you nail the design your going to catch some flack because everyone who knows and loves the model will have an expectaion of what it has to be and where it is falling short.... This will help Paulson due to the fact he can go with the 'rule of cool' rather than sticking to the Manga.

Doing something like Macross is pretty easy though. Unlike some things - where it can be difficult to nail down what specifically doesn't look quite right, there are decades worth of design documents, schematics and other resources that you can go back to to get things just as they should be.

Luckily, with it being a 3D model - they should be able to widen the toros in short order with few if any problems. The knees need to have their pivot point adjusted. They are looking at that "rubber boot" like it were a hose that flexes and extends as opposed to being a shroud that covers a mechanical joint. If you look over on Youtube, you can find a few videos of people messing about with the Bandai models of this same figure - and their knees look the part much better.

Justyn wrote:

I do not think Paulson's will be any type of knockoff, as he is making his own rules and the mecha appear to be quite large (easier for me to paint). Now they have similarities to Mechwarrior and Armored Core (I like this), but he is sticking with what appears to me to be mecha that are similar in the aspect that they have to be to be recognizable as mecha. Where as Robotech tends to follow anime lines I see Paulson's project as closer to the concepts that have always been in European and American fiction (Mechwarrior, BOLO). Personally I will likely support both by the time it is done because I like mecha. Hell I have 200+ Mechwarrior clickys still, so try to keep this on track about the kickstarter.
Regards,
Carl

I question where you get the idea that Paulson's are closer to the concepts in Mechwarrior since Mechwarrior is a derivative game of Battletech and Battletech started with Robotech Destroids for art. I hope to see more of his conecpts, and look forward even more to seeing miniatures. Right now they all look too similar, he needs some variety.

I still think I am more likely to support this KS if the miniatures look good, and if they look to be compatible with B-Tech in scale. I hate HG almost as much as I hate Fox exec's so it won't be a lot of support.

Battletech utilised some of the pre-existing destroid concepts but not alot of them, the creators of Battletech did infact create from scratch most of their mech designs and the newest iteration of mechwarrior has again modernised the design from the ground up, take a wander over to www.mwomercs.com and take a look at the artwork they have produced for the new game, it dosen't look anything like the original destroid/robotech/macross stuff....

I know I'm going to catch a lot of flak from die hard robotech fans but they should try to do what the guys at pgi have done with mechwarrior and update their design work as some of those designs are just silly looking....

I was the one involved with bringing the idea of a Robotech Tabletop game to Palladium, at the same time as I contacted Harmony Gold, John of Paulson Games did as well.. I had a rules set that I had pitched to HG and Palladium. John had some sculpts.. between the two of us we had convinced Kevin at Palladium to look into the prospect of a tabletop game and Miniatures.. John had then started in on another rules system for the game and was doing play testing. I was play testing my rules as well.. Palladium decided to not use John while continuing with the development of the minis and rules.. I contacted Soda Pop and introduced them to Palladium. never was there any negativity to John for his help in selling the idea.. No rules or miniatures were used from any parties involved and all research was performed by myself and Palladium. There was no ripping off or ill will directed at Paulson Games. I respect John and all that he does. I truly hope that his game and miniatures do well.
For more of the real story see the link: http://robotechbattles.blogspot.com/2012/10/clearing-air.html
as for the kickstarter - YES there will be a monster.. I'm play testing it.. whether it makes it into the initial rules set remains to be seen..
Tom Roache
Red Duke Games
Robotech Battles

Battletech utilised some of the pre-existing destroid concepts but not alot of them, the creators of Battletech did infact create from scratch most of their mech designs and the newest iteration of mechwarrior has again modernised the design from the ground up, take a wander over to www.mwomercs.com and take a look at the artwork they have produced for the new game, it dosen't look anything like the original destroid/robotech/macross stuff....

I know I'm going to catch a lot of flak from die hard robotech fans but they should try to do what the guys at pgi have done with mechwarrior and update their design work as some of those designs are just silly looking....

Oh I really like the MWO mechs too. But I think their game sucks.

WilhelmRochRedDuke wrote:
I was the one involved with bringing the idea of a Robotech Tabletop game to Palladium, at the same time as I contacted Harmony Gold, John of Paulson Games did as well.. I had a rules set that I had pitched to HG and Palladium. John had some sculpts.. between the two of us we had convinced Kevin at Palladium to look into the prospect of a tabletop game and Miniatures.. John had then started in on another rules system for the game and was doing play testing. I was play testing my rules as well.. Palladium decided to not use John while continuing with the development of the minis and rules.. I contacted Soda Pop and introduced them to Palladium. never was there any negativity to John for his help in selling the idea.. No rules or miniatures were used from any parties involved and all research was performed by myself and Palladium. There was no ripping off or ill will directed at Paulson Games. I respect John and all that he does. I truly hope that his game and miniatures do well.
For more of the real story see the link: http://robotechbattles.blogspot.com/2012/10/clearing-air.html
as for the kickstarter - YES there will be a monster.. I'm play testing it.. whether it makes it into the initial rules set remains to be seen..
Tom Roache
Red Duke Games
Robotech Battles

Reading through the blogpost, it mentions that Palladium decided to cut out the miniatures side for the tabletop game. Any particular reason why they're suddenly adding it again then?

It doesn't look much better than Battletech's old crappy grey plastic figures.

stanman wrote:
It doesn't look much better than Battletech's old crappy grey plastic figures.

I've got those figs and even with the weird knees, the art looks much better than the BT 3rd edition plastics.

WilhelmRochRedDuke wrote:
I was the one involved with bringing the idea of a Robotech Tabletop game to Palladium, at the same time as I contacted Harmony Gold, John of Paulson Games did as well.. I had a rules set that I had pitched to HG and Palladium. John had some sculpts.. between the two of us we had convinced Kevin at Palladium to look into the prospect of a tabletop game and Miniatures.. John had then started in on another rules system for the game and was doing play testing. I was play testing my rules as well.. Palladium decided to not use John while continuing with the development of the minis and rules.. I contacted Soda Pop and introduced them to Palladium. never was there any negativity to John for his help in selling the idea.. No rules or miniatures were used from any parties involved and all research was performed by myself and Palladium. There was no ripping off or ill will directed at Paulson Games. I respect John and all that he does. I truly hope that his game and miniatures do well.
For more of the real story see the link: http://robotechbattles.blogspot.com/2012/10/clearing-air.html
as for the kickstarter - YES there will be a monster.. I'm play testing it.. whether it makes it into the initial rules set remains to be seen..
Tom Roache
Red Duke Games
Robotech Battles

That was your problem, though.

Palladium has a proven track record of gakking on writers and inflated ego.
In gaming, thier name is equated with the touch of death. You would have done much better to go in with Soda Pop, and CMON.

Hope it works out for you, but be prepared for disappointment in working with Palladium.

The problem is, if he wants to do Robotech he has no choice. HG (may they die in a fire) has a contract with Palladium and has decided that is how this will go forward.

 Grot 6 wrote:
and CMON.

Yes...because they have been so good to their freelancers...

Alessio Cavatore is designing the rules! My "meh" meter just went to "huzzah!"

 Sean_OBrien wrote:

 Grot 6 wrote:
and CMON.

Yes...because they have been so good to their freelancers...

And customers in their previous online incarnation...

 warboss wrote:

 Sean_OBrien wrote:

 Grot 6 wrote:
and CMON.

Yes...because they have been so good to their freelancers...

And customers in their previous online incarnation...

LOL, point taken.