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Alessio Cavatore is designing the rules! My "meh" meter just went to "huzzah!"

Well that is certainly a step in the right direction.

So quite literally Palladium has nothing to do with the game other than publishing it. So they could still screw that part up.

 judgedoug wrote:
So quite literally Palladium has nothing to do with the game other than publishing it. So they could still screw that part up.

Absolutely wrong according to at least a half dozen blurbs by the owner of Palladium. Both printed and physical parts of the Robotech game go to them for approval and changes.

We’ve been buried in work. The Robotech® RPG Tactics™ game has been demanding a great deal of our time. But when I’m not involved with it, reviewing rules, submitting corrections to sculptures, etc., I’m busy taking care of other business or writing.

http://palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=137396

 warboss wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
So quite literally Palladium has nothing to do with the game other than publishing it. So they could still screw that part up.

Absolutely wrong according to at least a half dozen blurbs by the owner of Palladium. Both printed and physical parts of the Robotech game go to them for approval and changes.

We’ve been buried in work. The Robotech® RPG Tactics™ game has been demanding a great deal of our time. But when I’m not involved with it, reviewing rules, submitting corrections to sculptures, etc., I’m busy taking care of other business or writing.

http://palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=137396

So reviewing rules (not designing them) and correcting sculptures (not sculpting them)

 judgedoug wrote:
So reviewing rules (not designing them) and correcting sculptures (not sculpting them)

Palladium hasn't "designed" any original rules since the mid-1980's so it's highly unlikely that they'll start now. My original Robotech books are still compatible with Rifts and the current Robotech RPG. They appear to be in a purely supervisory and roadblock role in this process with unfortunately plenty of room for them to screw things up in their time honored fashion.

 judgedoug wrote:

 warboss wrote:

 judgedoug wrote:
So quite literally Palladium has nothing to do with the game other than publishing it. So they could still screw that part up.

Absolutely wrong according to at least a half dozen blurbs by the owner of Palladium. Both printed and physical parts of the Robotech game go to them for approval and changes.

We’ve been buried in work. The Robotech® RPG Tactics™ game has been demanding a great deal of our time. But when I’m not involved with it, reviewing rules, submitting corrections to sculptures, etc., I’m busy taking care of other business or writing.

http://palladium-megaverse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=137396

So reviewing rules (not designing them) and correcting sculptures (not sculpting them)

So you don't know how Palladium works? The fact it is going to "work" with the Robotech RPG system (enhance play, as they called it), should be enough to stop anyone who want a good blanaced game, from laying down money.

Unless the design of "enhancing RPG play" is literally "hey just use the miniatures rules instead of the convoluted Palladium combat system".

 paulson games wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:
I am really looking forward to this kickstarter. It seems like it would do a heck of a lot better than the knockoff system.

How is my game a knock off system? Nothing I have on my drawingboard has anything to do with transforming planes let alone alien invasions.

Considering that I haven't released my system you're trolling a bit early don't you think?

Identity Zero's comment is particularly hilarious and ironic, seeing how Palladium's most famous property, Rifts, is completely centered around the idea of making knock-off, low rent versions of other companies' settings.

Did they officially say it'll be compatible with their RPG rules? If so, can you post a link? I try to keep up with the info surrounding the Robotech minis game but frankly wading through the past 3 months of "It'll be awesome!" empty posts is a bit of a pain.

 redstripe wrote:

 paulson games wrote:

 IdentifyZero wrote:
I am really looking forward to this kickstarter. It seems like it would do a heck of a lot better than the knockoff system.

How is my game a knock off system? Nothing I have on my drawingboard has anything to do with transforming planes let alone alien invasions.

Considering that I haven't released my system you're trolling a bit early don't you think?

Identity Zero's comment is particularly hilarious and ironic, seeing how Palladium's most famous property, Rifts, is completely centered around the idea of making knock-off, low rent versions of other companies' settings.

Which would be GW...wait...no...yes, I guess them too.

It was actually pretty common (and still is) for companies to do knock-offs, and everything including the kitchen sink settings. Rifts was one which did it early and in a spectacular way (in so much as they tossed in absolutely everything - which is to be honest part of its appeal in the same way that GW tossed in absolutely everything [from 2000AD] into 40K). TSR did comparable activities with a variety of their later settings, then you have GURPS - which by definition is a knock-off of everything. Shadowrun too...it pretty much is everything in the gaming spectrum.

I can think of only a very small handful of things which were not preceeded by popular books, movies or TV shows in the past 30 some odd years that have become games. Some of the more successful games were the most obvious in what they were knocking off.

There are a lot of things which Palladium can be faulted for - but I don't think recylcing common tropes can be one of them...especially not in terms of gaming.

So you don't know how Palladium works? The fact it is going to "work" with the Robotech RPG system (enhance play, as they called it), should be enough to stop anyone who want a good blanaced game, from laying down money.

More likely that you will have some form of a campaign tie-in rather than actually using anything from the RPG rules to run a wargame. That way, you can take your character from the RPG and have him be a captain or other elite unit in your wargame. More expieranced characters would have higher skills in game (and points values as well assuming the new rules use a points based scheme). To tie back into the RPG, XP awarded for kills and successful battles or some such.

Believe it or not, Palladium are not completely incompetant. You can't survive in the market for as long as they have if you are - and they have survived since 1981 or so in a matter of sorts (longer than that if you consider Kevin's time with Judge's Guild). I would be extremely surprised if they made any requirements beyond something along those lines to the rules developers.

 Dice Monkey wrote:

JOHIRA wrote:When half of your core products are just photocopies of your other core products, when half your core rules are just rants by the rules writer about how he knows more about how these things work than other people, that should normally be a warning sign.

Besides, knowing Simbeida he's likely to grab a random concept sketch somewhere he doesn't understand and then make up an entirely new faction that in no way fits the story material at all based on what he thinks it is.

You can bitch about Palladium all you want to, it's combat system is clunky and tedious to set up a character. However it is literally the kitchen sink when it comes to RPG's if you want to lay a superpowered luchadore who kills demons with a guitar in a fantasy setting or a cyborg mutant weasel during a zombie apocalypse then their system can accommodate you. Add to the fact they rarely or never obsolete their books and you can count me as laughing at all the rage quitting ex-D&D/Pathfinder players.

I will support this, not because I enjoy Palladium products but because I want unseen Battletech miniatures.

Took the words right out of my mouth, for the most part.

I played a bunch of Rifts back in my high school days, but that came to an end over a decade ago. Eventually I sold off a large portion of my collection, but there's a small shelf with the remnants of those good old days, when men were men, dogs were boys, and sometimes white tigers were also boys and/or men. Where you might one day be fighting vampires in the morning, their 'leader' in the afternoon and a massive blob like alien intelligence that evening, all the same beings. Where technology, wizardry and technowizardry combine! Where the waitress might be a victim, a patsy, or a powerful psychic who just wants you to think she's a victim/patsy.

That isn't to say the system is flawless. By the end my group had pages of house rules to clarify, expand upon or outright fix game mechanics that should've been caught in the first draft, let alone allowed to go to print. KS has always held up too much of the work line up, and ye gods, I played their stuff for years over a decade ago and apparently their book lineup still sees massive delays. Hell, I'll bet if I looked closely I could find a book or three that just came out that were being promised back when I still playing. And their concept of balance was non-existent. You *could* have a cyber-knight, a dragon hatchling, a mind melter, and a rogue scholar in the group, but it'd involve some extra effort on the GM's part to run combat encounters that challenge them all without being trivialized by the big guns or completely splatting the support personnel. It wasn't impossible, but compared to systems like D&D 3E and 4E, there's almost no effort to provide a benchline for character power levels, challenges to those, and a sometimes annoyingly flat power curve (ie; aside from mages and some psychics, a level 1 character isn't that much less dangerous than a level 9 character, and the latter might take years to achieve with regular play).

And yet I'm still tempted to pick up a copy of Triax 2 for old times sake. Set it there with my old Robotech RPG books, the Rifts ones, Heroes Unlimited, System Shock, Nightbane, PFRPG, etc.

Anyway, there are enough hands and eyes involved that I'm not ignoring it outright. I'm excited for the models and the game (even if they just sit on a shelf most of the time, Robotech practically taught my 6 year old self the concept of death), and while I couldn't fault anyone for finding a dealbreaker or two, it's gonna take more than a little trepidation to keep me away from my own cyclone teams backing a Veritech squadron while hunting Zentraedi Officer's Pods / AKA : MAD-3R Marauders.

 warboss wrote:
Did they officially say it'll be compatible with their RPG rules? If so, can you post a link? I try to keep up with the info surrounding the Robotech minis game but frankly wading through the past 3 months of "It'll be awesome!" empty posts is a bit of a pain.

Perhaps this is a misunderstanding. There was a recent quote from KS about how the game might appeal to people who enjoy the Robotech RPG and want figures for their games. I don't recall anything about the two systems being compatible, simply that if you wanted to have a little mini of your mech, you'd be able to use one of these.

Noir wrote:
So you don't know how Palladium works? The fact it is going to "work" with the Robotech RPG system (enhance play, as they called it), should be enough to stop anyone who want a good blanaced game, from laying down money.

Yet people on this forum still primarily play GW..

Yet people on this forum still primarily play GW..

Is play synonymous with complain about? I guess it might be at that I know quite a few who play GW games and complain about them while doing so.

Anyway the possibility of this getting support from most of the people I know lies in the quality of the miniatures. Which I am sure we are all waiting to see.

The Spartan has has a bit of work done on it

new image



massive leg improvement, but the body still looks too narrow to me

At least from this angle you can't tell how bad the knees are. But the center torso still looks disproportionate to the rest of the model.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
The Spartan has has a bit of work done on it

new image



massive leg improvement, but the body still looks too narrow to me

Hmmm, arms appear an obvious weak spot, hands appear non functional and rediculously blocky, knees appear to have been fixed now imobile...

please redesign and see me again in the morning.

mullet_steve wrote:

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
The Spartan has has a bit of work done on it

new image



massive leg improvement, but the body still looks too narrow to me

Hmmm, arms appear an obvious weak spot, hands appear non functional and rediculously blocky, knees appear to have been fixed now imobile...

please redesign and see me again in the morning.

All's fair if you don't like the design, but the blocky knees, hands and skinny arms are changes that make it more true to the original.

Huge improvement in my book

Is that an Archer? I haven't seen one of those Unseens in years, so its kinda hazy, but in a good way about them. I'd like one of those Warhammers, if they get around to some of those.

If these guys really want my money, they'd get ahold of some of those old school models and rerelease them. I know someone who would really like a few of those 1/ 48 scale guys.

Same company has the license, so it wouldn't be out of the question to get ahold of some of the models and repackage them with the robotech logo stuff for the game on them.

Is that an Archer? I haven't seen one of those Unseens in years, so its kinda hazy, but in a good way about them. I'd like one of those Warhammers, if they get around to some of those.

If these guys really want my money, they'd get ahold of some of those old school models and rerelease them. I know someone who would really like a few of those 1/ 48 scale guys.

Same company has the license, so it wouldn't be out of the question to get ahold of some of the models and repackage them with the robotech logo stuff for the game on them.

I rather suspect that quite a few people are wanting just that.

Been a follower of Palladium ever since they started. Regardless of what you think of the owner they have stayed in business (and I know recently it is barely) for over 20 years. Siembedia at his core is a control freak. If his name is not on it then it will not happen. That is just how he is. Anyone who has reads his blogs in Murmurs of the Megaverse will tell you that. Palladium biggest hurdle is Siembedia. Get past him and you can get product out.

Game wise this is a great idea. Creatively is where the issues are gonna be and that could very well tank this game.

Justyn wrote:

Is that an Archer? I haven't seen one of those Unseens in years, so its kinda hazy, but in a good way about them. I'd like one of those Warhammers, if they get around to some of those.

If these guys really want my money, they'd get ahold of some of those old school models and rerelease them. I know someone who would really like a few of those 1/ 48 scale guys.

Same company has the license, so it wouldn't be out of the question to get ahold of some of the models and repackage them with the robotech logo stuff for the game on them.

I rather suspect that quite a few people are wanting just that.

Forar wrote:
AKA : MAD-3R Marauders

That's definitely a perk. I got into Battletech through the Grey Death Legion series of novels, which means many of the mechs that 'are Battletech' to me are now long Unseen.

Had some of them in pewter decades ago, but they're long gone.

Be very happy to see a Marauder (the aforementioned Officer's Pod), a Phoenix Hawk (Veritech with booster packs), a Rifleman (Raidar-X), etc, etc, etc.

Win/Win!

I wish HG would air the macross saga in its original form. No robotech masters or invid. Then we can have more minis from macross seven, plus, and frontier.
On a side note I hope they get to do the lightning. Also I wonder since PB has the license maybe do minis for macross II

Cypher-xv wrote:
I wish HG would air the macross saga in its original form. No robotech masters or invid. Then we can have more minis from macross seven, plus, and frontier.
On a side note I hope they get to do the lightning. Also I wonder since PB has the license maybe do minis for macross II

SDF Macross has been available on DVD in R1 for a few years now, first from Animeigo and then from ADV.

I meant for those few who may not know robotech's tru origins. I prefer HG drop the current storyline and embrace the original storyline and just go with it.This whole SC storyline is just plain boring to me. Are we to wait years for HG to continue the SC story? Why when you can dub the various spin offs, get everyone caught up and end up with a better saga than the current one.

I just really want a minis game with all the Valkyries from the other macross shows.

Cypher-xv wrote:
I meant for those few who may not know robotech's tru origins. I prefer HG drop the current storyline and embrace the original storyline and just go with it.This whole SC storyline is just plain boring to me. Are we to wait years for HG to continue the SC story? Why when you can dub the various spin offs, get everyone caught up and end up with a better saga than the current one.

I just really want a minis game with all the Valkyries from the other macross shows.

Maybe I'm crazy, but I like the Robotech storyline far, far more than the Macross storylines. And Macross 7 was total gak. Waste of my life watching 40-something episodes of that horrible nonsense.

Nah, its not just you. Most of the later Macross series are crap.

Original & Plus are the best.

 Cyporiean wrote:
Nah, its not just you. Most of the later Macross series are crap.

Original & Plus are the best.

Even then, I like Robotech's protoculture basically being a fuel source, and the expanded universe of Robotech. (I'm also a big fan of Southern Cross, shrug)

Macross Plus is pretty rad (I remember when it was being released in Japan, I had a friend send me illegal raw copies - no dubs or subs, but man was it still cool), and Macross Ai Oboete Imasu Ka is still just one of my favorite animated films of all time.

 JOHIRA wrote:
I'm not really too worked up over the Paulson issue, but I will never support a Palladium product because Palladium has never published a quality ruleset. They make GW look professional by comparison (and that's saying something!)
When half of your core products are just photocopies of your other core products, when half your core rules are just rants by the rules writer about how he knows more about how these things work than other people, that should normally be a warning sign.

Besides, knowing Simbeida he's likely to grab a random concept sketch somewhere he doesn't understand and then make up an entirely new faction that in no way fits the story material at all based on what he thinks it is.

That not actually fair, back in the days of arduin and Judges guild, when the palladium rules were first worked on they were fine. They had just been using them for 30+ years with little modification. I have developed something of a soft spot in my heart of palladium recently. They almost tanked completely a few years ago and have struggled back to life. I don't blame them protecting their assets they are few. Also they produce a ton of material, it may not be prize winning but they sure do work on their stuff. I wish other games were as well supported.

I will give the kickstarter a look.

travelnjones wrote:
That not actually fair, back in the days of arduin and Judges guild, when the palladium rules were first worked on they were fine. They had just been using them for 30+ years with little modification.

travelnjones wrote:Also they produce a ton of material, it may not be prize winning but they sure do work on their stuff. I wish other games were as well supported.

One of these 2 things does not make sense

So they keep the same ruleset for 3 decades, but get credit for producing a lot of lackluster material in the interim?

I have no desire to jump on something that struggled along with that old of a ruleset, ostensibly because they put out other things...

No news on the Kickstarter specifically but a friend messaged me that they posted pics of some of the minis on facebook. The bases are apparently 40mm (aka 40k terminator bases) and they'll be coming out in plastic.