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Hi there I started playing warhammer 40k in january, Ive got my army mostly built i still have points to spend so im wondering what to do with it? i was thinking of putting in either reavers or razorwing jetfighters or maybe I should just put my warriors/trueborn in transports or make more trueborn, and maybe wyche weapons are too expensive? but im not really sure whats worth it, Ive included a breakdown of my army/ where the points are , please leave suggestions, and I should say now before you read it and say why does this girl have no haywire grenades or lances the two armies I play against are Nids, with no vehicles, and chaos space marines also with no vehicles so thats why theres no anti tank weaponry. the total points listed here is 1928, I want it to be 2000 (as far as things to add i have heamonculi/lelith/mandrakes and reavers that I previously took out and I have no problem buying more stuff i plan to anyway)

HQ

Duke Sliscus-150
-blast pistol, shadow field, plasma grenades, ghostplate armour, combat drugs, serpents bite

Archon- 175
-blast pistol huskblade, shadow field,combat drugs, kabalite armour, plasma grenades
--- edit : get phantasm

Elites

4 x Incubi 88 + 65(venom)
-incubus warsuit, klaive
--- this group is with archon

10 x Wracks 120 + 60 (raider)
-gnarlskin, two poisoned weapons(4+) ... 2xliquifier gun
--- edit: get raider

10 x Kabalite trueborn 180 + 60 (raider)
-kabalite armour... 8x sharcarbine ...2x splinter cannon
--- this group is deployed with duke, then he leaves it
---edit: get raider

Troops

2 x 10 Kabalite Warriors 200 + 120 (raiders)
-kabalite armour, splinter rifle .. 2x splinter cannon
---edit: get raiders

9 x Wyches 100 + 60(raider)
-close combat weapon, combat drugs, plasma grenades, splinter pistol, wychsuit ... 1 hydra gauntlet
--- this group is with duke

2x10 Wyches 300 + 120(raiders)
-close combat weapon, combat drugs, plasma grenades, splinter pistol, wychsuit ... 2x hydra gauntlets ... 2x shardnet... 2x hexatrix .. 2x agonixer

Fast Attack

5 Scourges 130
-shardcarbine, ghost plate armour, plasma grenades...2x splintercannon

Looks solid enough, not got my codex handy but does the duke not make his squad poison on a 3+? so he would be better with the trueborn on a raider? since they can also deepstrike. The big issue is foot slogging dark eldar die quick you need to get those wracks,trueborn and warriors in raiders. You dont really have anti armour here either a few dark lances dont go far maybe take haywire grenades or heat lances on the scourges.

To my understanding the duke only has to be deployed with the true born to give 3+, it doesn't say he has to remain with that unit where he is a melee oriented character it seems wasted to keep him in a ranged unit if that is the case. And I am slowly getting my raiders, as mentioned, also mentioned that I don't need the anti-armor at all. because the chaos only have foot sloggers, and tyranids are... well nids...

I understand you not needing the dark lances for anti vehicle but are they not handy for heavy armoured troops like chaos termies or obliterators or tyranid tyrannofexes?

Other than that pretty solid but other than that try and get a few raiders in there and maybe consider a phantasm grenade launcher on the archon as IIRC the incubi will be hitting last in combat without it if they charge into cover.

I have dark lances on my raiders, but 20 points for heavy 1 , is really expensive for its limited use and I can only get it on units without invuln saves so its not going to survive long. Looking to get another 4 raiders I'll still have 100 points after that so might throw in the phantasms, honestly I've been playing for a month so I haven't really been using my grenades but yea it defiantly seems worth having

I love my Dark Eldar but seldom play with Wyches any more - I find they die in overwatch/ bounce of Marines.

I'd drop them for more kab warriors and hence shooting leaving the CC to the Incubi? Same I love my Lelith model but she does die very quickly out of CC.

Wracks I have found are pretty solid - might be better with a couple of Hormonclus rather than a Second Archon, also makes them troops?

Deep Striking is fun but means you are snap shooting with your passengers which is annoying.

You could go with a Ravager with disintergrator/s as its good fun against Marine types...........

if you pay for splinter wracks on the raiders the deepstrikeing snap shops should be more reliable. Sorry didnt see the bit at the top to quick to jump to the list, Wracks great much better than wyches even an abomination here or there is fun

For this setup, Archon needs a phantasm grenade launcher so that the incubi dont have to worry about terrain, I would also recommend an agonizer if you are playing against Nids.

For a list like this, a Chronos might not be a bad idea to spread pain tokens around (FNP makes the wyches ALOT more surviviable).

At the end of the day though, if you are playing against mostly foot armies, you can beat massed venoms....




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For this setup, Archon needs a phantasm grenade launcher so that the incubi dont have to worry about terrain, I would also recommend an agonizer if you are playing against Nids.

For a list like this, a Chronos might not be a bad idea to spread pain tokens around (FNP makes the wyches ALOT more surviviable).

At the end of the day though, if you are playing against mostly foot armies, you cant beat massed venoms....

yea i mainly use my wyches for sitting at objectives while other people protect them, or for just tying up melee units i do agree they basically just get slaughtered . I had the haemies in but they were dying too easy and the duke just seemed to add more to my army, the trueborm have 32 poison 3+ , the deepstrike stuff just seemed more usefull. kinda forgot about dissintegrators, could actually yield more wounds then the lances on my raiders too.

I'm looking at making it 2500 with three heamies, maybe then switch out wyches for wrack troops 2 razorwing jetfighters, or talos/chronos not sure whats best as heavy support and 6 reavers maybe to get in peoples way or just more troops eventually,? just want to get comfortable with a 2000 first


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Threw in the 4 raiders & phantasm gerenade launcher on archon to the list, no more foot slogging

If you are using those wyches as objective baby sitters you have way to many points in them. If you can bring a haemy, wracks make FAR better scoring units and can bring some real pain with liquifiers and poison weapons.

well origionally i was told wyches were good to put them in raiders and get them to combat as fast as possible, against chaos marines and terminators .. not so great, get to melee have the innitiative but they still get masacred. If i was to put in haemies now which hq should I lose or just wait till next month when i move it up to 2500 and can add a third hq?

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yea i mainly use my wyches for sitting at objectives while other people protect them, or for just tying up melee units i do agree they basically just get slaughtered . I had the haemies in but they were dying too easy and the duke just seemed to add more to my army, the trueborm have 32 poison 3+ , the deepstrike stuff just seemed more usefull. kinda forgot about dissintegrators, could actually yield more wounds then the lances on my raiders too.

I'm looking at making it 2500 with three heamies, maybe then switch out wyches for wrack troops 2 razorwing jetfighters, or talos/chronos not sure whats best as heavy support and 6 reavers maybe to get in peoples way or just more troops eventually,? just want to get comfortable with a 2000 first


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Threw in the 4 raiders & phantasm gerenade launcher on archon to the list, no more foot slogging

I gave up on wyches totally - especially since these paragons of CC fighting are only WS4 at most and overwatch - wierdly they seem now to be mostly tank hunters - not treally how I visualise them.

Agree with swapping them out for wracks / Warriors - both seem to be better in general. I have 9 Raiders and always try to use as many as possible - used two and ravager in a ecent Combat patrol tourney which was fun . I only have one venom and thats away being painted. make sure the Incubi have transport and stick a Hormunclus with them

I like the Talos but its slow and a bit vulnerable.

I would say drop the trueborn in the raider solely cus they won't benefit from the splinter racks cus it's only for rifles and pistol... And 32 shots sound nice but for that I will use regular warriors cus it's 40 shots at 12in wit rerolls, their TROOPS and it's about 150 pts wit that you can give your archon the PGL...

Also if you want more shots and want to use trueborn you can use 3 with shardcarbines and 2 splinter cannons in a venom with 2x SC And NS in one round it's 20 shots within 36in and 29 within 18in


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And i love using wyches got two 7 strong wit a hekatrix wit a haemii in a raider


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Also my archon is setup wit venom blade huskblade combat drugs shadowfield haywire grenade(just cus you never know) and ghostplate so whoever he fights will have have a problem with the share wieght of wounds he will do

Just wondering how you get 40 shots from your wariors? 9 splinter rifles and 1 cannon makes 13 shots, in 12" itd be 22 even if i paid the 10 points for splinter racks, which i currently dont have, it doesnt really seem better plus if im at 12" im gaurenteed to get charged next turn and kabalite warriors are garbage in melee, the true born can fire at a safe distance and having them to put my duke with just seems alot better then regular warriors the guarenteed 32 3+ v the 13-22 with rerolls at 4+, the ratio of expected wounds is higher with the trueborn, also if they get charged they fair better in melee, switching out the blast pistol for a venom blade and ghostplate is probably worth it tho

Sorry I was counting wrong since I run mines with 2 raiders side by side sorry for the confusion ... But also your right you get 32 shots but that's on a 18in mark which gives you enemy a chance to assualt you next turn anyways. Doubles is always good since we a glass cannon army anyways so doubles always welcomed.

Also at times people charge the ship and forget its open topped and I get to reroll all 20 wit my warriors due to racks

If you can position correctly charging may not be a big problem. Also, just avoid termies as much as possible with those raiders ... 25% boost to hit rates IMO is worth 10 pts