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 Grey Templar wrote:

I don't know about that.

College campuses would have their fair share of crime. Crimes related to Alcohol and Drugs(of which Rape is one of them) would seem like their specialty.

Rape is one of those crimes that goes hand in hand with drunken frat parties. So I would say that College Police departments would be specially trained to handle it as it comes with the territory so to speak.

As a drunken frat boy, I'm offended that you would immediately assume that rape goes hand in hand with my parties... I mean hell you and your gf (if you have one) could go home from the bar while drunk one night, you two could have consensual relations that got a little rough and the next morning she could theoretically charge you with rape, simply because of the fact that since she was under the influence of booze she couldn't give proper consent.

I meant no offense good sir

And yes, that situation could happen as well. But thankfully the police are trained to handle that because it comes with the territory of drinking and college.

Happy now frat boi

 Grey Templar wrote:
I meant no offense good sir

And yes, that situation could happen as well. But thankfully the police are trained to handle that because it comes with the territory of drinking and college.

Happy now frat boi

nah brah, I'm not

Can't add much, but our local community college had cops with jurisdiction in 3 districts (since there are campuses all around).

Thats cool man, have another Jello shot. I made it with Everclear

 Grey Templar wrote:

Rape is one of those crimes that goes hand in hand with drunken frat parties. So I would say that College Police departments would be specially trained to handle it as it comes with the territory so to speak.

Handle it, or cover it up?

Covering it up is bad of course.

I'm just saying its not odd for the college police to be handling the issue. They are usually full on police, no different from the city police force.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Covering it up is bad of course.

I'm just saying its not odd for the college police to be handling the issue. They are usually full on police, no different from the city police force.

I still have to disagree with that.
1. They have less resources.
2. Seriously how many rapes would they have investigated and solved? Do they have actual detectives? (if so, as I said, you might think about that before going there....)
3. Regular police don't have the cover up incentive they do.

 Grey Templar wrote:
Thats cool man, have another Jello shot. I made it with Everclear

I'm drinking everdew right now But yeah, blue jello everclear shots are the best.

 Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Thats cool man, have another Jello shot. I made it with Everclear

I'm drinking everdew right now But yeah, blue jello everclear shots are the best.

Well don't come to Cali with that stuff. Its illegal, and I like my record as it is.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Thats cool man, have another Jello shot. I made it with Everclear

I'm drinking everdew right now But yeah, blue jello everclear shots are the best.

Well don't come to Cali with that stuff. Its illegal, and I like my record as it is.

Everclear is illegal in Cali? I know it's illegal to buy in Ohio, but certainly not illegal to drink...

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Thats cool man, have another Jello shot. I made it with Everclear

I'm drinking everdew right now But yeah, blue jello everclear shots are the best.

Well don't come to Cali with that stuff. Its illegal, and I like my record as it is.

WHAT?! I wanted to move to Cali! I have some thinking to do

It is illegal to posess and sell here last I checked.

Edit: Ok, its illegal to sell it here. Posession as far as I can tell requires a permit and it is not allowed for human consumption. But my google-fu is weak today so that could be wrong.

 Frazzled wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Covering it up is bad of course.

I'm just saying its not odd for the college police to be handling the issue. They are usually full on police, no different from the city police force.

I still have to disagree with that.
1. They have less resources.
2. Seriously how many rapes would they have investigated and solved? Do they have actual detectives? (if so, as I said, you might think about that before going there....)
3. Regular police don't have the cover up incentive they do.

Frazzled you seem to be under the impression that said campus police are employed by the school, and not by the state. As per my example in NY, all the campus police are state troopers, with all the tools and resources given to any other state troopers. On any kind of large, state run campus the police are an autonomous force, not beholden to deans. Smaller school could be different, but then I don't think they are the ones actively investigating serious charges. Some campuses are the size of small cities, and they have a commensurate police force that isn't run by the school. Of course people in high power could pull strings to make a rape case go away, but then so can mayors.


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 Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Thats cool man, have another Jello shot. I made it with Everclear

I'm drinking everdew right now But yeah, blue jello everclear shots are the best.

Well don't come to Cali with that stuff. Its illegal, and I like my record as it is.

WHAT?! I wanted to move to Cali! I have some thinking to do

Best weed in the US or a terrible, terrible drink fit for stripping furniture? Tough one right there for sure.

"Honor courts" are like your company's HR. They aren't actually there for you. Their job is to preserve university prestige. They are not your friend, they are not on your side.

 Grey Templar wrote:
It is illegal to posess and sell here last I checked.

Edit: Ok, its illegal to sell it here. Posession as far as I can tell requires a permit and it is not allowed for human consumption. But my google-fu is weak today so that could be wrong.

Who's gonna check Just get it out of state and sneak it in...

Anyone can get Cali weed. That is to say, totally a different person than me can get that stuff.

Everclear is awesome because you mix a shot or two in a cup of anything else and it only takes one drink and some change to get FETHED UP. It's actually better than drinking a ton of other alcoholic beverages. I usually don't even wake up with a hangover. It's not a horrid tasting shot either.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
It is illegal to posess and sell here last I checked.

Edit: Ok, its illegal to sell it here. Posession as far as I can tell requires a permit and it is not allowed for human consumption. But my google-fu is weak today so that could be wrong.

Who's gonna check Just get it out of state and sneak it in...

Its bad if you get caught with it.

 Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:
Anyone can get Cali weed. That is to say, totally a different person than me can get that stuff.

Everclear is awesome because you mix a shot or two in a cup of anything else and it only takes one drink and some change to get FETHED UP. It's actually better than drinking a ton of other alcoholic beverages. I usually don't even wake up with a hangover. It's not a horrid tasting shot either.

There's people who claim they get Cali weed and there's actually walking through a dispensary. YMMV depending on where you live in the states though.

And if you like Everclear all the more power to you. I wouldn't drink it again if it meant never drinking again. Ok thats a lie. Its still terrible though

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
Frazzled you seem to be under the impression that said campus police are employed by the school, and not by the state. As per my example in NY, all the campus police are state troopers, with all the tools and resources given to any other state troopers. On any kind of large, state run campus the police are an autonomous force, not beholden to deans.

Thats wrong. Maybe in NY, but not other states. California for example.

Again just hiring police doesn't make you an effective police department. Unless they have no affiliationw ith the school whatsover and are part of the State or city of X, etc. then they are undersupported for the crimes we're talking about.

Frankly saying they are state troopers doesn't help me. Maybe NY state troopers are different. Texas state troopers give tickets and investigate car crashes. CHP was the same.



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 Grey Templar wrote:

 Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Thats cool man, have another Jello shot. I made it with Everclear

I'm drinking everdew right now But yeah, blue jello everclear shots are the best.

Well don't come to Cali with that stuff. Its illegal, and I like my record as it is.

Really? I had everclear in Cali, although i preferred vodka. Things have changed.

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
It is illegal to posess and sell here last I checked.

Edit: Ok, its illegal to sell it here. Posession as far as I can tell requires a permit and it is not allowed for human consumption. But my google-fu is weak today so that could be wrong.

Who's gonna check Just get it out of state and sneak it in...

Its bad if you get caught with it.

Again, how are you going to get caught? I may or may have not been bringing Everclear across the Indiana/Ohio border before... never been caught. You get caught when a cop car sees you cross the state line, and like 45 minutes later you come back, he'll pull you over because you didn't pay the state liquor tax on it... But even still.


Though we're getting off topic, back to the topic at hand. Is there any other news report on this besides Jezebel?

 Frazzled wrote:

 DutchKillsRambo wrote:
Frazzled you seem to be under the impression that said campus police are employed by the school, and not by the state. As per my example in NY, all the campus police are state troopers, with all the tools and resources given to any other state troopers. On any kind of large, state run campus the police are an autonomous force, not beholden to deans.

Thats wrong. Maybe in NY, but not other states. California for example.

Again just hiring police doesn't make you an effective police department. Unless they have no affiliationw ith the school whatsover and are part of the State or city of X, etc. then they are undersupported for the crimes we're talking about.

Frankly saying they are state troopers doesn't help me. Maybe NY state troopers are different. Texas state troopers give tickets and investigate car crashes. CHP was the same.

By your standards no city has an adequate police force then? I'm sorry I just don't follow what you're calling for here. My point was just because it says "Campus Police" on the side of the cruiser doesn't necessarily mean that they are under the direct orders of the school. Many large state run schools are like that. And for smaller schools when a serious crime happens (ie rape) they tend to then involve outside authorities that are beyond their purview.

And in NY troopers are the highest authority besides Feds with equipment, training and salary to boot. They're above any other regional jurisdiction. Some states are similar, others not so I dunno.

-Ayah in Texas DPS are generally just highway patrol. They may do some other duties but not too much. Not to bersmirch them. I don't envy that job.

-In many jurisdictions colleges have their own police force and they are a separate jurisdictional unit (I'm talking state schools here). They do take their orders from the school.
UC schools used to be like that. At least the Texas school I went to was like that. It may have changed since.

-We'll just have to accept that different states have different frameworks here.

Even in states where the university PD is not a state agency, they are overseen by a centralized agency which does not answer to a particular college.

This includes texas.

http://www.utsystem.edu/pol/

I find I'm a bit biased against girls calling "rape" in college. Not out of being a douchebag, but because I had two friends in college who suffered due to girls who cried false rape. One friend was an RA and flirted with a girl he had no interest in. She pressed him for sex, he refused, she cried rape. He lost his job and was forced to change dorms. Another friend got horribly drunk and went to spend time with friends from class and play monopoly. One girl there talked him into sleeping with her, then she felt guilty about it because she had joined a Christian club, so she accused him of raping her, when technically, by law, she raped him. He was almost expelled from school for her actions.

However, if this girl has proof she was raped and the school is trying to stifle her, the school needs to be sued. If there is no proof of actual rape, I have a hard time siding with her, through my friends' experiences.

My heart goes out to true rape victims though. But I hope for a special place in hell for anyone who falsely claims rape and ruins somebody's life with their actions.

 Manchu wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
Wth is an honor code? Or court for that matter? Looks to me that they want to sweep this under the rug by getting rid of everyone involved.

An honor code is a set of rules that people belonging to a voluntary association agree to abide by on pain of expulsion from that association. Claiming that you were raped does not relive you of your obligations under that agreement. If you conduct yourself in violation of the code, usually in the determination of your peers, you will be expelled. The artcle OP quotes (but fails to cite) doesn't bother to clarify what behavior potentially violated the honor code. OP does mention, however, the unreliability of the source.

http://jezebel.com/5986693/college-rape-survivor-faces-potential-expulsion-for-intimidating-her-rapist

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jezebel_(website)

What exactly in that second link shows that Jezebel is "unreliable"?

Gentlemen are stirring as this discussion of police efforts on university campuses is, I think this "honor board" which apparently has some form of judicial power apparently is far more concerning then any form of cop, renta or otherwise present on campus.

Oh, absolutely - the "honor board" is clownshoes at best. As several people have posted earlier, this is a matter for real police from the start, where "real police" is an actual law enforcement officer - which campus police possibly are, and they should be bypassed if not.

A "survivor" of rape is an interesting way of putting it.

What is "Intimidating" did she threaten him or what?
And why is an Honor Board run by students and not staff? What are these students accreditation?
I mean, Even in college i would trust any of my peers with my goldfish, let alone my future.