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Man, the heads on Menoth jacks can't creep any lower without ending up in their own crotch. Like them Deathwolves and love the dynamic pose on Barathrum.

I'm super keen to play the deathwolves, but I'm actually pretty down on them. They don't look like their art, which has me sad. I liked their art.

 skullking wrote:

chaos0xomega wrote:
Still no Grolar. :/

+1 - I know!

It's going to be 2 books old by the time it finally comes out!


And I'm surprised the Glacier King is in line for production, but the Skorne Hydra is not. We saw video footage of it all painted up when the Glacier King was just an image in a computer...

Thats an interesting point.

Also, I was just thinking to myself about how GW requires that every unit with a set of rules be accompanied by a model out of fear that a 3rd party company will steal their IP or whatever, yet PP doesn't have that concern and no third party market exists for conversion bits etc. Its amazing what happens when you have a tight set of rules supported by an organized play format that requires official models, no?

PP isn't worried partly because they are a little more relaxed than GW,

but mainly because their meta is very much 'you must use the official mini with no conversions or messing around so people can see at a glance what it is'

(I realise people do use alternated and conversions in friendly games, but it's a lot less common than with most other systems)

so there is not a big enough market for 'look-y like-y' companies to bother making stuff to try and cover the missing models

PP releases always have an official model. Even if they're not out
by book release or two book releases later (and only because of
production issues, not for the lack of trying. Seriously, they WANT
to sell Grolars, but I like to think they want you to buy what they
produce rather than fail at making them). They don't play the will
they/won't they game.

Is that official GW policy now, chaosomega? I haven't been paying attention.

Yeah, PP isn't concerned because they actively foster community and events, and that combined with the nature of the game leads people to use the official models much more.

Of course, I'm doing a counts-as force like always but labeling all my bases and making sure I have approval before using it (the local press gangers are fine with it, even for events, but I totally understand that there are venues I won't be able to use it in, and I'm OK with that). Never hurts, though . I've found at the local level folks are awesome about it, and abide by "rule of cool + clarity" as per usual in wargaming!

I got the Cephalyx all in one box but it's missing a unit

tigerstyle wrote:
I got the Cephalyx all in one box but it's missing a unit

Contact the seller you bought it from. They'll have to provide the missing unit to you in a couple of weeks or less.

 Red_Zeke wrote:
Man, the heads on Menoth jacks can't creep any lower without ending up in their own crotch. Like them Deathwolves and love the dynamic pose on Barathrum.

I missed this earlier, but man, agreed on all counts! I do really like the Deathwolves and that Cryx jack.

 sing your life wrote:

tigerstyle wrote:
I got the Cephalyx all in one box but it's missing a unit

Contact the seller you bought it from. They'll have to provide the missing unit to you in a couple of weeks or less.

The box was sealed so they sent me to missing parts :/

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
PP isn't worried partly because they are a little more relaxed than GW,

but mainly because their meta is very much 'you must use the official mini with no conversions or messing around so people can see at a glance what it is'

(I realise people do use alternated and conversions in friendly games, but it's a lot less common than with most other systems)

so there is not a big enough market for 'look-y like-y' companies to bother making stuff to try and cover the missing models

That's not actually the rule. You're perfectly fine converting your models, as long as you maintain the same weapon loadout and a reasonable observer can identify what it is.

Privateer is really good about missing parts.

My Thyron was missing one of his shoulder fins. The thing was supposed to be on a sprue with the dagger things that go on his shoulders. Had the dagger, no fin or sprue in sight.

Just got one in the mail yesterday.

My worry is, it's a whole box of models. They pack the all in ones by literally shoving the boxes in the big box... This was missing which is a big omission but I don't know how their packing works... Didn't have a slip in like normal products either

Tell them about it, they fix it pretty fast. One guy had a storm wall in his conquest box and could even keep it.

PP will replace pretty much anything, even a whole unit. Just contact them: http://mispack.privateerpress.com/

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Privateer is really good about missing parts.

Seconded. I had a miscast and got a replacement in four days to Australia even though it over Gencon.

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
PP isn't worried partly because they are a little more relaxed than GW,

but mainly because their meta is very much 'you must use the official mini with no conversions or messing around so people can see at a glance what it is'

(I realise people do use alternated and conversions in friendly games, but it's a lot less common than with most other systems)

so there is not a big enough market for 'look-y like-y' companies to bother making stuff to try and cover the missing models

Actually they updated their conversion policy earlier this year. Very similar to GW's old conversion policy of must be 51% PP parts and, as Laughingman pointed out, weapons must be representative of what their are armed with. But don't show up with any heavy GW bit conversions at official PP staff attended tournaments, they get very strict on their conversion policy in that case.

Though after attending cons with PP tournaments, main reason I see why there isn't a third party bits market like there was for GW, most PP tournament players don't care about painting or modeling. Out of a 32 man tournament, maybe a 1/4 - 1/3 was painted and only a couple to good quality. Rest was just primed or worse, bare metal.

tigerstyle wrote:
I got the Cephalyx all in one box but it's missing a unit

Cephalyx? Not one of my favorite units. Want to play body & soul?

 OrlandotheTechnicoloured wrote:
PP isn't worried partly because they are a little more relaxed than GW,

but mainly because their meta is very much 'you must use the official mini with no conversions or messing around so people can see at a glance what it is'

(I realise people do use alternated and conversions in friendly games, but it's a lot less common than with most other systems)

so there is not a big enough market for 'look-y like-y' companies to bother making stuff to try and cover the missing models

How is that more relaxed than GW? How is 'you must use the official mini with no conversions is relaxed'? In my opinion that is far more stringent because you don't have the option to really make it yours. GW rules on models are far more relaxed - you can choose the load out, choose weapon options on your characters, etc. No two people have to have the same load out on their models. PP has prevented third parties from making bits because of their rules on conversions.

What PP has is a good rule system. What GW has are beautiful customizable models models. But, there are exceptions to both rules. I play each game for different reasons and get enjoyment from both.

Here are some exceptions to the conversion rule - these belong to dakka user HSHP. He is one of the organizers for the Crucible in Orlando, FL.

http://nicemannersforathief.blogspot.com/2012/01/goreshade-highlighted.html
http://nicemannersforathief.blogspot.com/2012/01/goreshade-converted.html

http://nicemannersforathief.blogspot.com/2013/04/stalker-conversion.html
http://nicemannersforathief.blogspot.com/2013/03/stalker-conversion.html

They loosened up on the conversion policy.It is has to be 50% now and holding the appropriate type of weapon.

boyd wrote:
How is 'you must use the official mini with no conversions is relaxed'?

I may have complained about their conversion policy in the past, but it's never been this that I know of. Where did you even come up with that?

For the record, this is the current policy:
http://privateerpress.com/organized-play/tournament-conversion-policy

Converting policy or not, PP sculpt their models so awkvardly, hugging their weapons or having heavy cloaks all about their arms so basicly no converting can be done about it.

This of course result in third party alternatives wont bother with it, and players of other game sets (like GW players) dont try to buy PP models for "count as" units.

I think PP stuff is more prone to be have full parts re-sculpted from scratch than rather swapped bits like GW. The model design is quite different.

 AduroT wrote:

boyd wrote:
How is 'you must use the official mini with no conversions is relaxed'?

I may have complained about their conversion policy in the past, but it's never been this that I know of. Where did you even come up with that?

I got that from what I quoted above in my original comment. It was a comment from OrlandoTechnicolor

Thimn wrote:
They loosened up on the conversion policy.It is has to be 50% now and holding the appropriate type of weapon.

To clarify, it only has to be 50% PP product. Not 50% of the original miniature. It then must still be easily identified as what it is and it must be appropriately armed.

So really its basically the same as 40k conversion policies have been for years.

I can't believe we're not talking about the Devastation spoilers - book releases this week!

Rules spoilers:
https://m.facebook.com/ChainAttack/mediaset?album=pb.194462623959462.-2207520000.1443751412

BOLS video showing the full book in review (not high resolution but you can see a lot if you make it full screen / watch on YouTube):




Link: https://youtu.be/Xybryyf8Ogk

Minion players are pretty excited about the two farrow light beasts (battle boar and splatter boar). The Blindwalker for gators seems interesting although not super powerful (can't run and function as an arc node, so you could only charge or trample to move forward by 8", and it takes damage every time it channels). If you're a Minion player skip to 17:00 into the video for that section!

 Grey Templar wrote:

Thimn wrote:
They loosened up on the conversion policy.It is has to be 50% now and holding the appropriate type of weapon.

To clarify, it only has to be 50% PP product. Not 50% of the original miniature. It then must still be easily identified as what it is and it must be appropriately armed.

So really its basically the same as 40k conversion policies have been for years.

It still has the caveat of no non-PP IP or Trademarks though, which also applies to paint schemes as well as modeling, so still stricter than GW's.

How can GW have a conversion policy if they don't have official events?

Note I said 40k conversion policies, not GW conversion policies.

The standard for most 40k tournaments has been that the model must be recognizable, and some have mandated GW parts.