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This is just an off the shelf chainsaw with some added juice.
Would a chainsword be possible if made from the kinds of materials in 40k?
   
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it is most definetely possible with the materials we have today... unfortunately it is a positively ludicrous weapon to use in actual combat which is why you dont see people running around with them

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A Chainsword would be a heavy, cumbersome weapon dangerous to allies around you. We'll never see it (or any swords for that matter) on the battlefield again. Hell swords were obsolete by the 30 Years War in the 17th Century.

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 Harriticus wrote:
A Chainsword would be a heavy, cumbersome weapon dangerous to allies around you. We'll never see it (or any swords for that matter) on the battlefield again. Hell swords were obsolete by the 30 Years War in the 17th Century.


Whaaaa? Swords certainly wasn't obsolote by then. Keep in mind that even though firearms was in wide use by the 30 years war, mass-formations of pikemen was in use aswell to ward of cavalry. This was because firearms were heavy, had bad aim and most of all was slow to reload. Even though I've studied history greatly, I'm no expert, but I would say that the sword got obsolete post-napoleonic era when rifles got more accurate and could be reloaded quicker.
   
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 Harriticus wrote:
A Chainsword would be a heavy, cumbersome weapon dangerous to allies around you. We'll never see it (or any swords for that matter) on the battlefield again.
well, unless we get invaded by a hoard of semi-primitive species that loves melee. In which case I'm some people with certain characteristics (which most people don't have) would take the opportunity for specialized melee weapons. then again, strong people were assigned for heavy weapons duty during the World Wars so maybe not.

hmm, I wonder if the Japanese military still gives out swords.
   
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chainswords no..chain weapon attachements yes...


silly ain't it

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Swords are still the mark of an officer, I believe.

However, so are pistols.



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 Furyou Miko wrote:
Swords are still the mark of an officer, I believe.

However, so are pistols.


Differance is in RL the sword stays home on the wall, the pistol goes to war...but I did carry a tomahawk.

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Well, of course you did. Axes are very useful, and not as weapons. :p



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 Furyou Miko wrote:
Well, of course you did. Axes are very useful, and not just as weapons. :p


Just a minor correction, but yes it was useful in all kinds of situations.

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Yes, sorry, that was definitely a dropped word rather than a deliberate occlusion. :p

There is a reason that trenching tools have serrated edges after all.



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Boreal wrote:
 Harriticus wrote:
A Chainsword would be a heavy, cumbersome weapon dangerous to allies around you. We'll never see it (or any swords for that matter) on the battlefield again. Hell swords were obsolete by the 30 Years War in the 17th Century.


Whaaaa? Swords certainly wasn't obsolote by then. Keep in mind that even though firearms was in wide use by the 30 years war, mass-formations of pikemen was in use aswell to ward of cavalry. This was because firearms were heavy, had bad aim and most of all was slow to reload. Even though I've studied history greatly, I'm no expert, but I would say that the sword got obsolete post-napoleonic era when rifles got more accurate and could be reloaded quicker.


Formations of pikemen, cavalry with lances, and gunmen, yes. Not swordfighters.

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I'd go post-Napoleon too. Infantry had rifles with bayonets and didn't really need swords but cavalry sure used them as backups when they couldn't reload pistols. Add the fact that they didn't have sealed cartridges yet - it wasn't uncommon that an army in the field might have degraded gunpowder stores.

Backup weapons but still very useful then.
   
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 Harriticus wrote:
Boreal wrote:
 Harriticus wrote:
A Chainsword would be a heavy, cumbersome weapon dangerous to allies around you. We'll never see it (or any swords for that matter) on the battlefield again. Hell swords were obsolete by the 30 Years War in the 17th Century.


Whaaaa? Swords certainly wasn't obsolote by then. Keep in mind that even though firearms was in wide use by the 30 years war, mass-formations of pikemen was in use aswell to ward of cavalry. This was because firearms were heavy, had bad aim and most of all was slow to reload. Even though I've studied history greatly, I'm no expert, but I would say that the sword got obsolete post-napoleonic era when rifles got more accurate and could be reloaded quicker.


Formations of pikemen, cavalry with lances, and gunmen, yes. Not swordfighters.


This. A pike phalanx and a cavalry wedge with lances are a different breed from swordfighters.
   
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Swords were used by all forms of mounted cavalry, certainly they still had a huge role to play as late as the napoleonic wars.

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Ghurkas still carry their kukris into battle, I heard that some have used them during their deployments in the middle east



lets not forget about Jack Churchill who carried a sword and a longbow into battle during ww2

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Let's be realistic about this, we don't know what future will bring but one thing will for sure - solders with guns will always be vulnerable to close combat and there will always be some form of trying to exploit that weakness.

Now, in the 21'st century swords and all melee weapons overall are officially obsolete and out of use, unofficially when things get real ugly solders are using them like crazy. Few years ago one guy got a medal after killing several Talibans in close combat with his bayonet attached to his rifle, that was pure epicness to me.

Nobody knows what future will bring but one thing is sure - close combat will always be important part of warfare. As for swords, they are pretty much relics now.

As for Chainsword... I see it possible but only if we encounter a race similar to Tyrandis that is hostile to Humans. To have that kind of weapons when you run out of ammo is not bad thing at all - especially when that weapon has massive splash.

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Melee combat is not a thing of the past. A Chainsword is a silly weapon(with our current way of making chainsaws anyway) but a melee weapon of any other kind is not.

We arn't giving our soldiers KA-BARs so they can open their MREs.

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The chainsword makes sense in-universe because it's designed to cut through heavy armour, much like a chainsaw does to a tree.

In real life, no one wears armour of that magnitude and has to fight people in close combat.

However, edged weapons will always have the uses on the battlefield.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
Melee combat is not a thing of the past. A Chainsword is a silly weapon(with our current way of making chainsaws anyway) but a melee weapon of any other kind is not.

We arn't giving our soldiers KA-BARs so they can open their MREs.


As an Israeli Army reservist, I can tell you that our survival knives are used more for everyday purposes and not really around combat. Our new assault rifle (the TAR-21) can't even fit a bayonet. We have no intention of using any kind of melee combat, and getting into melee combat would be seen as a grave command failure.

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As we told ourselves in the US Army.... if the battlefield required you to fix bayonets? You were truly in a World of Sh*t, probably because someone (probably MI) had f**cked up real bad.

It also doesn't help that the FM for bayonet fighting advises you to, if your bayonet should get lodged in the body of an enemy, fire 1 to 3 rounds from your rifle to clear it.

Guess what? If I've got 1 to 3 rounds in the magazine to shoot someone with, I'm damn sure not putting a knife on my weapon to run up and stab the guy.

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well swords are slow to reload

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PresidentOfAsia wrote:
Ghurkas still carry their kukris into battle, I heard that some have used them during their deployments in the middle east


A single unit of highly-trained troopers and a single man from the entire Second World War does not a weapon resurrect from obsolescence.
   
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 Unit1126PLL wrote:
A single unit of highly-trained troopers and a single man from the entire Second World War does not a weapon resurrect from obsolescence.


A single man called "Mad Jack" at that... but then again, British officers weren't always living in the same reality as the grunts. I recall another one striding ashore wearing his favorite wool sweater, carrying his grandfather's hunting rifle - and ofc accompanied by his personal bagpiper (which by that time were for ceremonial occasions in British regiments that had them, not someone you'd drag into the field to play scary music).

And it is certainly true that something's gone wrong if you find yourself using a knife instead of shooting people on a modern battlefield, but it happens. For example, a british patrol had to do a bayonet charge in Afghanistan a couple of years ago because they saw no other option. They somehow blundered into an ambush and found themself pinned in a ditch with enemies shooting at them from only 30-40 meters away. Sticking up your head and picking a shot is a bit hard in that situation so the sergeant asked a couple lads to fix bayonets and follow him so the rest could take firing positions. The brits won, and IIRC didn't even suffer losses. That's more to do with the poor quality of the enemy than any particular knife magic though. Actual weapons training usually wins when the other side is shouting religious slogans and spraying bullets in the general direction of the target.

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Chainsaw sword..

Fuel
Heavy
Slow
Would get caught on everything
Wouldn't actually cut stuff that fast
Fuel...

Never say never? Never! We are never going to these used in combat for real.

 
   
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Today blade weapons are obsolete. But something is obsolete only if its deemed to be so.
If someone devises a way of impllementing melee easily, they have an massive advantage if they are equipped for it.

Take a look at the film 'Aliens' for all the quality of the marines, they were totally unprepared for melee. I know its. A scuzzy example but I hope it proves my point.

If faced with an enemy where melee is a factor and can implement it effectively, it won't be long before bladed weapons are no longer considered obsolete.

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I think they only time you would think of using a sword/bayonet is in a continued firefight where ammo had got so low that you have no option but to get into CC but only if you really have no other alternative.But future wise if armour gets to a point where light small arms car'nt penetrate maybe will have some kind of high powered chain weapons to breach such heavy armoured foes but more likly we would use so kind of HE round or armour piercing.
   
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Thats pretty much the deal, but it can also happen in confined spaces(like ruined cities) where you either can't see your opponent or they are right on top of you.

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I say it's possible, just not as big as Space Marines use it as. Thing would probably be as big as us.
   
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The only reason it is used is because in 40K they are back to using Soviet tactics and they are lead by chivalric future Knights.

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