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Will be a toss up between portalglyph and grimoure based on mission and opponents, I know what you mean its a single shot weapon, so yes it will need prescience if I want to use it as a solid anti armour platform. Have yet to use the soul grinder, but in this list mainly there as anti air, the plhegm is ordanance so snap shooting with the harvester cannon..

Will create my own thread in a bit TK instead of cluttering up yours!

MarkyMark wrote:
Will be a toss up between portalglyph and grimoure based on mission and opponents, I know what you mean its a single shot weapon, so yes it will need prescience if I want to use it as a solid anti armour platform. Have yet to use the soul grinder, but in this list mainly there as anti air, the plhegm is ordanance so snap shooting with the harvester cannon..

Will create my own thread in a bit TK instead of cluttering up yours!

Your fine. This is an daemon army list building thread. Not just TK Daemon Army List.

That's a lot of lists!

Here's what I have been running:

Bloodthirster - 2 x greater rewards
Keeper of Secrets - 2 x greater rewards
2 x Heralds of Tzeentch - locus of conjuration
Herald of Tzeentch - locus of conjuration

13 x Pink Horrors
13 x Pink Horrors
13 x Pink Horrors
10 x Plaguebearers

10 x Flesh Hounds
10 x Flesh Hounds

Daemon Prince - daemonic flight, warp forged armour, daemon of slaanesh & 2 x greater rewards
Daemon Prince - daemonic flight, warp forged armour, daemon of slaanesh & 2 x greater rewards

I am still thrashing this list out atm. I am gonna drop the Heralds and bump up the Horror units for more dakka. Going to ditch the Keeper as well, too slow on foot.

 mercer wrote:
That's a lot of lists!

Here's what I have been running:

Bloodthirster - 2 x greater rewards
Keeper of Secrets - 2 x greater rewards
2 x Heralds of Tzeentch - locus of conjuration
Herald of Tzeentch - locus of conjuration

13 x Pink Horrors
13 x Pink Horrors
13 x Pink Horrors
10 x Plaguebearers

10 x Flesh Hounds
10 x Flesh Hounds

Daemon Prince - daemonic flight, warp forged armour, daemon of slaanesh & 2 x greater rewards
Daemon Prince - daemonic flight, warp forged armour, daemon of slaanesh & 2 x greater rewards

I am still thrashing this list out atm. I am gonna drop the Heralds and bump up the Horror units for more dakka. Going to ditch the Keeper as well, too slow on foot.

How do you get two greater deamons and three heralds at the same time?

cryhavok wrote:

 mercer wrote:
That's a lot of lists!

Here's what I have been running:

Bloodthirster - 2 x greater rewards
Keeper of Secrets - 2 x greater rewards
2 x Heralds of Tzeentch - locus of conjuration
Herald of Tzeentch - locus of conjuration

13 x Pink Horrors
13 x Pink Horrors
13 x Pink Horrors
10 x Plaguebearers

10 x Flesh Hounds
10 x Flesh Hounds

Daemon Prince - daemonic flight, warp forged armour, daemon of slaanesh & 2 x greater rewards
Daemon Prince - daemonic flight, warp forged armour, daemon of slaanesh & 2 x greater rewards

I am still thrashing this list out atm. I am gonna drop the Heralds and bump up the Horror units for more dakka. Going to ditch the Keeper as well, too slow on foot.

How do you get two greater deamons and three heralds at the same time?

No point total, but I assume he's at or over 2000, so he's using double FoC.

Mercer, if you remove the Keeper, what are you going to do with the DPs? I'm assuming you were using one of the greater rewards for a Lash of Despair. You'll have to give them Mark of Khorne, or move them to the HQ slot, which you should have room for if you're using double FoC.

cryhavok wrote:

How do you get two greater deamons and three heralds at the same time?

Double FOC, dude.

undertow wrote:
No point total, but I assume he's at or over 2000, so he's using double FoC.

Mercer, if you remove the Keeper, what are you going to do with the DPs? I'm assuming you were using one of the greater rewards for a Lash of Despair. You'll have to give them Mark of Khorne, or move them to the HQ slot, which you should have room for if you're using double FoC.

Is double FOC and it's a 2k list, though you do not need to have a 2k list on the dot to play double FOC. Rules say games of 2k .

The Princes will move to HQ choices, I won't be keeping the Heralds so all is good. And yes, one of the rewards is a lash.

 mercer wrote:
That's a lot of lists!

Here's what I have been running:

Bloodthirster - 2 x greater rewards
Keeper of Secrets - 2 x greater rewards
2 x Heralds of Tzeentch - locus of conjuration
Herald of Tzeentch - locus of conjuration

13 x Pink Horrors
13 x Pink Horrors
13 x Pink Horrors
10 x Plaguebearers

10 x Flesh Hounds
10 x Flesh Hounds

Daemon Prince - daemonic flight, warp forged armour, daemon of slaanesh & 2 x greater rewards
Daemon Prince - daemonic flight, warp forged armour, daemon of slaanesh & 2 x greater rewards

I am still thrashing this list out atm. I am gonna drop the Heralds and bump up the Horror units for more dakka. Going to ditch the Keeper as well, too slow on foot.

Yea I figure its a thread to talk exclusively on and about daemon list that people want to throw at other daemon players to view. I like the thirster. Hate the keeper. He is just to slow and vulnerable to too much attention. If you run a keeper he needs to be in an assault heavy army where your opponent has multiple turn 1 and 2 threats to deal with. I like the princes as well. They can really put some hurt on but not sure why your not taking advantage of their jack of all trade psychic abilities.

Also I am curious why flesh hounds over seekers? Seekers are faster and have more attacks and are generally all round better. This doesn't even include that they are also 3 points cheaper per model. Finally what armies have you run this against? How have the duel princes been working for you?

 Tomb King wrote:

MarkyMark wrote:
Will be a toss up between portalglyph and grimoure based on mission and opponents, I know what you mean its a single shot weapon, so yes it will need prescience if I want to use it as a solid anti armour platform. Have yet to use the soul grinder, but in this list mainly there as anti air, the plhegm is ordanance so snap shooting with the harvester cannon..

Will create my own thread in a bit TK instead of cluttering up yours!

Your fine. This is an daemon army list building thread. Not just TK Daemon Army List.

In the case, this is the list I have had a LOT of success with,

Fateweaver (or LoC sometimes really not sure on which one I prefer)
Herald of Tzeentch, Locus of conjuration, lvl 2, exalted reward for grimoure

17 Horrors
10 horrors
10 horrors

Daemon prince, Mark of Tzeentch, armour wings lvl 2 pysker 2 greater rewards 1 lesser reward
Daemon prince, Mark of Tzeentch, armour wings lvl 2 pysker 2 greater rewards 1 lesser reward
Daemon prince, Mark of Tzeentch, armour wings lvl 2 pysker 1 exalted reward (portalglpyh) 1 greater reward

1750pts

if I run the LoC I put the exalted reward on him for the portalglpyh and run the DP as the others (2 greater 1 lesser), the lesser reward is there for shooting attacks hopefully at least then I can have some overwatch or non PSA. So far I havent lost a game, tabling my opponents in the process including two very good toruny level players and a few cheesey lists!. For 1850 i would bump up the horrors but the 17 unit squad is my main squad which gives me anti air anti light armour and a lot of shots!.

I will be dropping a DP in some games to try out a soul grinder list will look like this

Fateweaver (or LoC sometimes really not sure on which one I prefer)
Herald of Tzeentch, Locus of conjuration, lvl 2, exalted reward for grimoure
Herald of Tzeentch, Locus of conjuration, lvl 2, exalted

17 Horrors
17 horrors
10 horrors


Daemon prince, Mark of Tzeentch, armour wings lvl 2 pysker 2 greater rewards 1 lesser reward
Daemon prince, Mark of Tzeentch, armour wings lvl 2 pysker 1 exalted reward (portalglpyh) 1 greater reward
Soul Grinder, Mark of Tzeentch, Phlegm

So two better troop units, two DP's and a soul grinder, again not sure on fatey or LoC
More troops, another 13 to be exact

 mercer wrote:

cryhavok wrote:

How do you get two greater deamons and three heralds at the same time?

Double FOC, dude.

Ah okay cool. I'm relatively new, and have never run into that before. Do any tournaments allow this? Is it any time you are using a 2000+ pt list, or are there other requirements? Do you need to have opponents agreement? When you have two FOC can you take two of the 0-1 options (for example two selections of four heralds each)

Tomb King wrote:

Yea I figure its a thread to talk exclusively on and about daemon list that people want to throw at other daemon players to view. I like the thirster. Hate the keeper. He is just to slow and vulnerable to too much attention. If you run a keeper he needs to be in an assault heavy army where your opponent has multiple turn 1 and 2 threats to deal with. I like the princes as well. They can really put some hurt on but not sure why your not taking advantage of their jack of all trade psychic abilities.

Also I am curious why flesh hounds over seekers? Seekers are faster and have more attacks and are generally all round better. This doesn't even include that they are also 3 points cheaper per model. Finally what armies have you run this against? How have the duel princes been working for you?

The 'Thirster is pretty simple but a bad ass. I think makes a great warlord and a little more survivable than the Princes.

I just have something for the Keeper, but after a few play tests I am ready to dump it, my conclusions are the same as yours.

Too many points for psychic abilities on the Princes.

I prefer Hounds over Seekers, only a few points more and you get two wounds per unit and furious charge. They are also stronger and tougher. Seekers I can just see going down to bolter fire etc. I wouldn't say Seekers are faster as both units move 12" though Seekers do of course get fleet.

Only tested this list twice and both times against Ravenwing. Not done much with it lately if I am honest.

cryhavok wrote:

 mercer wrote:

cryhavok wrote:

How do you get two greater deamons and three heralds at the same time?

Double FOC, dude.

Ah okay cool. I'm relatively new, and have never run into that before. Do any tournaments allow this? Is it any time you are using a 2000+ pt list, or are there other requirements? Do you need to have opponents agreement? When you have two FOC can you take two of the 0-1 options (for example two selections of four heralds each)

Depends where you play. It's not when you play 2k lists it is when you play 2k games, so you could say you're paying a 2k game and the list is 1,998 or something. Never had opponent's agree before playing, it's in the rules, the same as allies. You still need a single HQ and two troops for the double FOC minimum.

MarkyMark wrote:

 Tomb King wrote:

MarkyMark wrote:
Will be a toss up between portalglyph and grimoure based on mission and opponents, I know what you mean its a single shot weapon, so yes it will need prescience if I want to use it as a solid anti armour platform. Have yet to use the soul grinder, but in this list mainly there as anti air, the plhegm is ordanance so snap shooting with the harvester cannon..

Will create my own thread in a bit TK instead of cluttering up yours!

Your fine. This is an daemon army list building thread. Not just TK Daemon Army List.

In the case, this is the list I have had a LOT of success with,

Fateweaver (or LoC sometimes really not sure on which one I prefer)
Herald of Tzeentch, Locus of conjuration, lvl 2, exalted reward for grimoure

17 Horrors
10 horrors
10 horrors

Daemon prince, Mark of Tzeentch, armour wings lvl 2 pysker 2 greater rewards 1 lesser reward
Daemon prince, Mark of Tzeentch, armour wings lvl 2 pysker 2 greater rewards 1 lesser reward
Daemon prince, Mark of Tzeentch, armour wings lvl 2 pysker 1 exalted reward (portalglpyh) 1 greater reward

1750pts

if I run the LoC I put the exalted reward on him for the portalglpyh and run the DP as the others (2 greater 1 lesser), the lesser reward is there for shooting attacks hopefully at least then I can have some overwatch or non PSA. So far I havent lost a game, tabling my opponents in the process including two very good toruny level players and a few cheesey lists!. For 1850 i would bump up the horrors but the 17 unit squad is my main squad which gives me anti air anti light armour and a lot of shots!.

I will be dropping a DP in some games to try out a soul grinder list will look like this

Fateweaver (or LoC sometimes really not sure on which one I prefer)
Herald of Tzeentch, Locus of conjuration, lvl 2, exalted reward for grimoure
Herald of Tzeentch, Locus of conjuration, lvl 2, exalted

17 Horrors
17 horrors
10 horrors


Daemon prince, Mark of Tzeentch, armour wings lvl 2 pysker 2 greater rewards 1 lesser reward
Daemon prince, Mark of Tzeentch, armour wings lvl 2 pysker 1 exalted reward (portalglpyh) 1 greater reward
Soul Grinder, Mark of Tzeentch, Phlegm

So two better troop units, two DP's and a soul grinder, again not sure on fatey or LoC
More troops, another 13 to be exact

Might have already covered this but you could have a real bad day against grey knights, space wolves, and more importantly any eldar psyker. I like the psychic list but might not be too reliant on it to get the job done. If your psychic powers get shut down your troops will basically have no effect on the game. Though casting with them only nets you one lost horror a turn to perils.

cryhavok wrote:

 mercer wrote:

cryhavok wrote:

How do you get two greater deamons and three heralds at the same time?

Double FOC, dude.

Ah okay cool. I'm relatively new, and have never run into that before. Do any tournaments allow this? Is it any time you are using a 2000+ pt list, or are there other requirements? Do you need to have opponents agreement? When you have two FOC can you take two of the 0-1 options (for example two selections of four heralds each)

I actually like to give my opponent a heads up and clarify whether the game is 2000pts or 1999+1 which sometimes what people play to avoid facing double force org. Communication is key to have a nice friendly game. Everyone has ran into that game where you were playing with someone and then turn 3 your opponent informs you that he is actually running forgeworld units etc....

I find there is great synergy between a nurgle marked soul grinder and shooty plague drones. The drones are large enough to provide 5++ cover for the grinders, which then have 3++ due to shrouding. So the PD provide cover on the move, get out of the grinder's LOS in their own movement phase, toss s4 skulls at people, and then jet pack move back for cover in the assault phase. Just a thought.

There may be synergy there, but you're also paying a lot of points for it. How many drones are you talking about? Couldn't you also provide cover with a unit of nurglings? The new models for those are quite tall.

I've got a 1250 point tournament coming up. This is what I'm planning on running. It's done we'll in the few test games I've played.


Fateweaver 300
Herald of Tzeentch: Exalted Rewards; Psyker (Mastery level 2); Exalted Locus of Conjuration. 125
Herald of Tzeentch: Exalted Rewards; Psyker (Mastery level 2). 100

18 Pink Horrors 167
• Iridescent Horror
12 Daemonettes Of Slaanesh[/b]: Rapturous Standard. 143
• Alluress: Lesser Rewards.

6 Screamers of Tzeentch 150

Soul Grinder: Phlegm Bombardment; Daemon of Nurgle. 180

Aegis Defense Line: Icarus Lascannon. 85

1,250 points

I've been having the Daemonettes man the Icarus gun in the ADL and mostly just acting as a charge deterrent. It's worked well so far. I'm not sold on the Soul Grinder, I might swap it and the Screamers for a DP with some Psychic attacks, but I'm worried about fighting Eldar and other armies with good Psychic defenses.

I'm trying to make a working daemon list for a 1750pts. range and this is what i came up with from my current models:

HQ:
Bloodthirster
Greater reward, blade of blood 290pts.

Herald of slaanesh
Etherblade, steed 70pts.

Herald of slaanesh
Etherblade, steed 70pts.

Herald of Tzeentch
Mastery lvl 2
Exalted reward (either grimoire or portaglyph, depending on scenario or opponent)
Exalted loci of conjuration 125pts.

Troops:
15 daemonettes 135pts.
15 daemonettes 135pts.
10 plaguebearers 90pts.
15 horrors 135pts..

Heavy support:
Soul Grinder
Daemon of nurgle, phlegm bombardment 180pts.

Daemon prince of khorne, wings, armor, blade of blood, greater reward 260pts.
Daemon prince of khorne, wings, armor, blade of blood, greater reward 260pts.

Total: 1750pts

Basic idea is to rush ahead with DPs and thirster to engage enemy on turn 2, when hopefully my daemonettes and slaanesh heralds will come in from outflanking. The tzeentch herald will take either portaglyph or grimoire, depending on the opponent or the scenario. If no killpoints, then portaglyph and grimoire, if it's a killpoint mission. The grinder is there to be a fourth big target for the enemy to shoot at, as i need to try and draw some fire away from the FMCs. I have listed the greater reward weapons by name, so don't get confused as there are 2 greater rewards on all princes and the thirster

 Redbeard wrote:
There may be synergy there, but you're also paying a lot of points for it. How many drones are you talking about? Couldn't you also provide cover with a unit of nurglings? The new models for those are quite tall.

Yes, but nurglings can't move out of the way. And I run a five man unit.

undertow wrote:I've got a 1250 point tournament coming up. This is what I'm planning on running. It's done we'll in the few test games I've played.


Fateweaver 300
Herald of Tzeentch: Exalted Rewards; Psyker (Mastery level 2); Exalted Locus of Conjuration. 125
Herald of Tzeentch: Exalted Rewards; Psyker (Mastery level 2). 100

18 Pink Horrors 167
• Iridescent Horror
12 Daemonettes Of Slaanesh: Rapturous Standard. 143
• Alluress: Lesser Rewards.

6 Screamers of Tzeentch 150

Soul Grinder: Phlegm Bombardment; Daemon of Nurgle. 180

Aegis Defense Line: Icarus Lascannon. 85

1,250 points

I've been having the Daemonettes man the Icarus gun in the ADL and mostly just acting as a charge deterrent. It's worked well so far. I'm not sold on the Soul Grinder, I might swap it and the Screamers for a DP with some Psychic attacks, but I'm worried about fighting Eldar and other armies with good Psychic defenses.

Looks pretty decent. Though fate weaver might be a bit harder to fit into a 1250 list. Might lean towards more bodies. As for the soul grinder. I have tried them a few times and just cant help but feel disappointed. People like its skyfire ability but you have to think that is a BS 3 quadgun without twin liked and one less shot. As for the roll for your daemonettes. I would recommend switching it up to nurgle if all your doing is hiding behind the wall. That way you have a 2+ cover save while providing support.

masquerade81 wrote:I'm trying to make a working daemon list for a 1750pts. range and this is what i came up with from my current models:

HQ:
Bloodthirster
Greater reward, blade of blood 290pts.

Herald of slaanesh
Etherblade, steed 70pts.

Herald of slaanesh
Etherblade, steed 70pts.

Herald of Tzeentch
Mastery lvl 2
Exalted reward (either grimoire or portaglyph, depending on scenario or opponent)
Exalted loci of conjuration 125pts.

Troops:
15 daemonettes 135pts.
15 daemonettes 135pts.
10 plaguebearers 90pts.
15 horrors 135pts..

Heavy support:
Soul Grinder
Daemon of nurgle, phlegm bombardment 180pts.

Daemon prince of khorne, wings, armor, blade of blood, greater reward 260pts.
Daemon prince of khorne, wings, armor, blade of blood, greater reward 260pts.

Total: 1750pts

Basic idea is to rush ahead with DPs and thirster to engage enemy on turn 2, when hopefully my daemonettes and slaanesh heralds will come in from outflanking. The tzeentch herald will take either portaglyph or grimoire, depending on the opponent or the scenario. If no killpoints, then portaglyph and grimoire, if it's a killpoint mission. The grinder is there to be a fourth big target for the enemy to shoot at, as i need to try and draw some fire away from the FMCs. I have listed the greater reward weapons by name, so don't get confused as there are 2 greater rewards on all princes and the thirster

Your making your blood thirster initiative one with the blade of blood? There is no real reason to take this weapon with a thirster. Again the same for your daemon princes. There is no reason for you to take the blade of blood unless all your looking to get is rampage?? If you run the soul grinder nurgle is definately the way to go. Now for your heralds. They have some of the best ways to be kitted out. Have you tried the eternal blade and Exalted locus of beguilement? Can really turn the daemonettes into a hammer unit.

Might have already covered this but you could have a real bad day against grey knights, space wolves, and more importantly any eldar psyker. I like the psychic list but might not be too reliant on it to get the job done. If your psychic powers get shut down your troops will basically have no effect on the game. Though casting with them only nets you one lost horror a turn to perils

Yes, have faced a SW list with a RP in drop pod, wasnt pretty!, had around 7 powers or so denied, the few that got through were iron arm on my DP, managed to kill off the RP and canis wolfborn wolf lord on TWC and win

 Valhallan42nd wrote:

 Redbeard wrote:
There may be synergy there, but you're also paying a lot of points for it. How many drones are you talking about? Couldn't you also provide cover with a unit of nurglings? The new models for those are quite tall.

Yes, but nurglings can't move out of the way. And I run a five man unit.

So... you're spending over 250 points for a unit that's bouncing back and forth to protect, at most, a 180 point model. And that unit's only other contribution is 10 BS3 shots within 12".

You know, the nurglings don't need to move out of the way. They can cover 25% of the soul grinder without obscuring the soul grinder's vision or weapons easily enough.

 Redbeard wrote:

 Valhallan42nd wrote:

 Redbeard wrote:
There may be synergy there, but you're also paying a lot of points for it. How many drones are you talking about? Couldn't you also provide cover with a unit of nurglings? The new models for those are quite tall.

Yes, but nurglings can't move out of the way. And I run a five man unit.

So... you're spending over 250 points for a unit that's bouncing back and forth to protect, at most, a 180 point model. And that unit's only other contribution is 10 BS3 shots within 12".

You know, the nurglings don't need to move out of the way. They can cover 25% of the soul grinder without obscuring the soul grinder's vision or weapons easily enough.

Exactly how tall are the new nurgling models? Would be a little silly to see nurglings giving cover to a soul grinder. Personally I am not a fan of nurglings as I think without eternal warrior they are just too easy of a kill point. So much S6 shooting or even S4 shooting with enfeeble.

 Tomb King wrote:

Your making your blood thirster initiative one with the blade of blood? There is no real reason to take this weapon with a thirster. Again the same for your daemon princes. There is no reason for you to take the blade of blood unless all your looking to get is rampage?? If you run the soul grinder nurgle is definately the way to go. Now for your heralds. They have some of the best ways to be kitted out. Have you tried the eternal blade and Exalted locus of beguilement? Can really turn the daemonettes into a hammer unit.

Monstrous Creatures and Walkers are unaffected by Unwieldy.

 undertow wrote:

 Tomb King wrote:

Your making your blood thirster initiative one with the blade of blood? There is no real reason to take this weapon with a thirster. Again the same for your daemon princes. There is no reason for you to take the blade of blood unless all your looking to get is rampage?? If you run the soul grinder nurgle is definately the way to go. Now for your heralds. They have some of the best ways to be kitted out. Have you tried the eternal blade and Exalted locus of beguilement? Can really turn the daemonettes into a hammer unit.

Monstrous Creatures and Walkers are unaffected by Unwieldy.

Still think a greater reward such as re-roll invuls or FnP would be better rather then auto taking a blade that only really helps with rampage.

 Tomb King wrote:

 undertow wrote:

 Tomb King wrote:

Your making your blood thirster initiative one with the blade of blood? There is no real reason to take this weapon with a thirster. Again the same for your daemon princes. There is no reason for you to take the blade of blood unless all your looking to get is rampage?? If you run the soul grinder nurgle is definately the way to go. Now for your heralds. They have some of the best ways to be kitted out. Have you tried the eternal blade and Exalted locus of beguilement? Can really turn the daemonettes into a hammer unit.

Monstrous Creatures and Walkers are unaffected by Unwieldy.

Still think a greater reward such as re-roll invuls or FnP would be better rather then auto taking a blade that only really helps with rampage.

I agree. I usually take the rewards with an eye to what the 'primaris' choice is, but I always roll to see what I get.

Ok here's what I've had 9-1 success with

At 2k (league size)
Keeper - exalted, grimwar or portalglyff
Skarbrand

20 daemonettes
20 daemonettes icon, instr.
15 daemonettes icon
10 plague bearers

Dp of slaanesh, 2 greater - one lash, fmc, armor - no flyers - (grimwar or portal opposite reward of above.
Dp of slaanesh, 2 greater - one lash....if no flyers exalted, fmc, armor
Dp of slaanesh, 1 greater, fmc, armor

Aegis with comms

At 1850 one dp comes off seekers go on with icon

 Tomb King wrote:

 undertow wrote:

 Tomb King wrote:

Your making your blood thirster initiative one with the blade of blood? There is no real reason to take this weapon with a thirster. Again the same for your daemon princes. There is no reason for you to take the blade of blood unless all your looking to get is rampage?? If you run the soul grinder nurgle is definately the way to go. Now for your heralds. They have some of the best ways to be kitted out. Have you tried the eternal blade and Exalted locus of beguilement? Can really turn the daemonettes into a hammer unit.

Monstrous Creatures and Walkers are unaffected by Unwieldy.

Still think a greater reward such as re-roll invuls or FnP would be better rather then auto taking a blade that only really helps with rampage.

the thirster and DPs have all two greater rewards. I can roll them and take the best survivability reward and exchange the crappy one for the blade of blood. Also as said ,MCs don't care about unwieldy. On top of that the thirster now has two specialist weapons, so it has +1 +D3 attacks and +1 on the charge, that is a minimum of 9 and max 11 attacks on str7 or 6-8 smash attacks if charging and attacking more models than the thirster. Ofc against vehicles the exalted reward eternity blade would give out more attacks but that is one less roll on the greater reward table so i will pass on that.

As for the exalted loci of beguilment, i find that 30pts is a bit too much for it. Daemonettes hit most units with 3's anyway, so the reroll is not that big, although it can save a poor roll. I usually have an alluress in my units as to take a challenge, as i want my herald to be able to rip apart the basic troops on turn 1 and stay in combat for an extra turn so they won't get shot at. With the beguilment my heraod will rip the enemy character apart, but do no damage on the rest of the unit, that may then hit the daemonettes back with more attacks. The lone sergeant can then be killed ih he survives tje naked alluress (and usually does) and the daemonette squad is safe from shooting on the next enemy turn.

 masquerade81 wrote:

 Tomb King wrote:

 undertow wrote:

 Tomb King wrote:

Your making your blood thirster initiative one with the blade of blood? There is no real reason to take this weapon with a thirster. Again the same for your daemon princes. There is no reason for you to take the blade of blood unless all your looking to get is rampage?? If you run the soul grinder nurgle is definately the way to go. Now for your heralds. They have some of the best ways to be kitted out. Have you tried the eternal blade and Exalted locus of beguilement? Can really turn the daemonettes into a hammer unit.

Monstrous Creatures and Walkers are unaffected by Unwieldy.

Still think a greater reward such as re-roll invuls or FnP would be better rather then auto taking a blade that only really helps with rampage.

the thirster and DPs have all two greater rewards. I can roll them and take the best survivability reward and exchange the crappy one for the blade of blood. Also as said ,MCs don't care about unwieldy. On top of that the thirster now has two specialist weapons, so it has +1 +D3 attacks and +1 on the charge, that is a minimum of 9 and max 11 attacks on str7 or 6-8 smash attacks if charging and attacking more models than the thirster. Ofc against vehicles the exalted reward eternity blade would give out more attacks but that is one less roll on the greater reward table so i will pass on that.

As for the exalted loci of beguilment, i find that 30pts is a bit too much for it. Daemonettes hit most units with 3's anyway, so the reroll is not that big, although it can save a poor roll. I usually have an alluress in my units as to take a challenge, as i want my herald to be able to rip apart the basic troops on turn 1 and stay in combat for an extra turn so they won't get shot at. With the beguilment my heraod will rip the enemy character apart, but do no damage on the rest of the unit, that may then hit the daemonettes back with more attacks. The lone sergeant can then be killed ih he survives tje naked alluress (and usually does) and the daemonette squad is safe from shooting on the next enemy turn.

Well Beguilment also lets you pick who fights you. I.E. a warlord hiding in the back or a character giving the unit a special rule. I have used to to snipe out characters like Coteaz and Eldrad. I get to pick who accepts the challenge. They cant deny it.

 Tomb King wrote:

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Your making your blood thirster initiative one with the blade of blood? There is no real reason to take this weapon with a thirster. Again the same for your daemon princes. There is no reason for you to take the blade of blood unless all your looking to get is rampage?? If you run the soul grinder nurgle is definately the way to go. Now for your heralds. They have some of the best ways to be kitted out. Have you tried the eternal blade and Exalted locus of beguilement? Can really turn the daemonettes into a hammer unit.

Monstrous Creatures and Walkers are unaffected by Unwieldy.

Still think a greater reward such as re-roll invuls or FnP would be better rather then auto taking a blade that only really helps with rampage.

the thirster and DPs have all two greater rewards. I can roll them and take the best survivability reward and exchange the crappy one for the blade of blood. Also as said ,MCs don't care about unwieldy. On top of that the thirster now has two specialist weapons, so it has +1 +D3 attacks and +1 on the charge, that is a minimum of 9 and max 11 attacks on str7 or 6-8 smash attacks if charging and attacking more models than the thirster. Ofc against vehicles the exalted reward eternity blade would give out more attacks but that is one less roll on the greater reward table so i will pass on that.

As for the exalted loci of beguilment, i find that 30pts is a bit too much for it. Daemonettes hit most units with 3's anyway, so the reroll is not that big, although it can save a poor roll. I usually have an alluress in my units as to take a challenge, as i want my herald to be able to rip apart the basic troops on turn 1 and stay in combat for an extra turn so they won't get shot at. With the beguilment my heraod will rip the enemy character apart, but do no damage on the rest of the unit, that may then hit the daemonettes back with more attacks. The lone sergeant can then be killed ih he survives tje naked alluress (and usually does) and the daemonette squad is safe from shooting on the next enemy turn.

Well Beguilment also lets you pick who fights you. I.E. a warlord hiding in the back or a character giving the unit a special rule. I have used to to snipe out characters like Coteaz and Eldrad. I get to pick who accepts the challenge. They cant deny it.

Still i can't help but feel that it's situational at best. Have used it, but it has not made it's points back as i would want it to both my heralds as i usually run two. Maybe if i ran only one herald, then i would load it up more with stuff.

Cool idea for a thread. I like the idea of sharing all our ideas for lists.

I currently run two lists at 2k (shaving stuff down as necessary to get down to 1850/1750):

MTO (Multiple Threat Overload) List w/ CSM Allies
Fateweaver: 300pts
Lord of Change w/ Exalted Reward, Greater Reward: 280pts
CSM Daemon Prince w/ Daemon of Tzeentch, Wings, Armor, Black Mace: 265pts
5 Chaos Space Marines w/ Melta Gun, 3 regs have CCW replacing boltgun: 85pts
w/ Chaos Rhino: 35pts
2*10 Pink Horrors: 180pts
Helldrake w/ Baleflamer: 170pts
3* Soul Grinders w/ Tzeentch, Phlegm Bombardment: 510pts
Forgefiend: 175pts
1999+1pts

I'm not sure how competitive this list is, but it's a ton of fun and always seems to have a good game. I've played against Dark Angels, Gunline Guard, a vehicle heavy Chaos Space Marines list, and termi spam Grey Knights with this list. I beat the Guard, Chaos Space Marines, and Dark Angels fairly convincingly (though the Dark Angels player is new, so I don't really consider it a fair test), and fought the Grey Knights to a draw after giving up first blood. I tend to go for the Portalglyph rather than the Grimoire in all of my games because this list is really troops light. In Big Guns and KP missions, though, I'd probably go Grimoire. Haven't had either yet.


'Ard List
Fateweaver: 300pts
Herald of Slaanesh w/ Exalted Reward, Steed, Lesser Reward: 100pts
5*15 Daemonettes, 2 w/ Instruments and Icons, 1 has 14 Daemonettes instead: 706pts
15 Seekers of Slaanesh w/ Icon, Heartseeker: 195pts
15 Seekers of Slaanesh w/ Icon & Heartseeker w/ Greater Reward: 215pts
3* Soul Grinders w/ Tzeentch, Torrent: 480pts
1996pts

The above list is what, IMHO, most closely approximates what a competitive Daemons army will eventually look like. Soul Grinders/Fateweaver provide token anti-air, the Herald makes Fateweaver pretty close to unkillable until she's dead, and you have two beefy units of seekers and 5 units of deepstriking Daemonettes to provide a nightmarish turn 2/3 threat that's 105 bodies strong. I'm still not completely sold on the Soul Grinders in this list, to be honest, but I want some heavy guns and extra S10 close combat and I don't see Tzeentch Daemon Princes being all that hot for that. Soul Grinders have torrent because I'd rather grab some anti-horde in this list to give me a leg up against the hordes that will out-compete my Daemonettes like Nids/Orks (or any hordes, really, I just can't imagine this list surviving against a horde that isn't gunline guard w/o some dedicated anti horde firepower). While I have fun with my MTO list, my 'Ard list has won the games I've played with it significantly more convincingly. I've played Dark Angels (a couple different players), drop pod salamanders, drop pod space wolves, and Chaos Space Marines with this list and the only army I haven't tabled or near-tabled was the Space Wolves due to a very poor play decision I made to hold my daemonettes in reserve rather than using them as bubblewrap. Even then the space wolves were in a poor spot when we had to call the game at the end of turn 4. The only thing I don't like about my 'Ard List is the fact that my Grinders and my regular troops attract the exact opposite sorts of Fire Power, making my enemy's target priority easier than I'd like. I tend to give up first blood a lot because of this. Replacing the Grinders w/ a dedicated anti-air/heavy fire power allied contingent behind a comms Aegis would probably make this list stronger in competitive play, but I'd rather keep it Daemons only for myself.

I'm also thinking about trying a Daemons/Dark Eldar skimmer build for fun, but can't seem to find my Dark Eldar codex. I'll be sure to post it up here when I make it.

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Exactly how tall are the new nurgling models? Would be a little silly to see nurglings giving cover to a soul grinder.

I have no idea, I have all older nurgling bases that are barely tall enough to give cover to a marine, let alone a walker. But the pics of them in the codex appear to be taller than a new plaguebearer model, and as wide as the entire 40mm base. A unit of three would then be both taller than an aegis line and 120mm wide (approx 4.5 inches, so enough to block most of the soulgrinder?)

Had a new idea for an army. The idea is to have a herald of tzeentch flying around with some screamers and casting prescience on ny flesh hounds. Could be devastating here is the whole list. Please give feedback if i should change something in the list.

HQ:
Bloodthirster
2xgreater rewards 290pts.

Karanak 120 (joins flesh hounds)

Herald of tzeentch
Disc, exalted reward 100pts. (usually grimoire or a portaglyph depending on the scenario. Will boost the flesh hounds with presciense and grimoire. Joins screamers)

Herald os slaanesh
Exalted loci, lesser reward 95pts. (joins daemonettes, who will deepstrike in. Takes etherblade to deal with 2+ armor in challenges)

Troops:
20 daemonettes
Alluress 185pts.

10 plaguebearers 90pts.

10 horrors 90pts.
10 horrors 90pts.

fast attack:
20 flesh hounds 320pts.
8 screamers 200

heavy:
Soul grinder
Daemon of nurgle, phlegm bombardment 180pts.

Total 1750pts.

So the plan is to deploy the grinder, hounds with karanak, screamers with herald and the thirster. All of the troops will come down from reserves. Plagues will just walk in and take a backfield objective. Daemonettes will DS to support the flesh hounds and thirster is there to draw loads of fire and wreck high AV. How does this look?