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 Amaya wrote:

 Mannahnin wrote:

 Amaya wrote:
You're kidding yourself if you don't think women can get away with a lot of crap, but it cuts both ways. Still, for there to be actual equality, all double standards need to be removed. The vocal feminists don't seem to be interested in that at all. I can understand that a bit, since they are more interested in uplifting their gender.

Can you give specific examples? In my experience of femimism, and as it was already described by multiple posters earlier in the thread, in fact most feminists do talk about removing double standards, and about equality as something which benefits men as well as women, and society in general. When you say that 'the vocal feminists" are not interested in removing double standards, only in advancing their own gender, you're leveling a blanket accusation at every feminist who speaks publicly. That's pretty inflammatory, and I have to say IME highly inaccurate. So again, who are you specifically talking about?

Well, I guess it is pretty inflammatory then, are you going to pitch a fit about it? I guess I can't share an opinion based on my experience if it differs from yours, can I?

By "pitch a fit", do you mean give you a suspension? We can go that route instead, of course, but rather than doing so I decided to give you the opportunity to clarify your comments so you didn't come off as a troll. In most of this thread you've seemed to keep a generally reasonable tone, so I was trying to cut you some slack.

Of course there's a difference between sharing an opinion about what you've personally experienced and making an insulting generalization about "the vocal feminists", in which you functionally accuse the entire group of bad faith and disingenuousness. I didn't just flag you for trolling, though, I instead asked you to explain WHO you meant by "the vocal faminists", so you could either substantiate your statement with evidence folks can evaluate, or you can retract or modify the statement. Up to you.


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 Slarg232 wrote:

 Mannahnin wrote:
Slarg, get out of the pool. You're not welcome in the thread if you can't be polite and respectful.

How was I not polite and respectful? Did I ever once call Mel the word you flagged me for? No, I quite specifically singled her out as one of the GOOD guys.... er... gals.

How am I supposed to know what is polite and respectful if no one actually says "Hey man, stop saying this, please" and instead directly goes to "Daddy" about it? If Mel, Hotsauceman, Cannerous, or anyone had said "Don't use that, please", I would have stopped.

And if I'm getting red flagged for saying "Women are indecisive", how could anyone take that as anything other than a joke? Maybe I should have posted wimminz, or maybe it wasn't 100% clear, which I apologize for, but seriously....

This probably comes across alot harsher than I mean it to, but come on...

Sarcasm doesn't often work well on the internet. It's also not a very friendly rhetorical device; while it can be amusing between friends, in a tense or heated discussion, it's inflammatory, not conciliatory.

And do you know how much more you could get done if you actually got together and figured things out amongst yourselves? It's taken, what, 50 years for the first female vice president?

This comment seems entirely in ignorance of the history of the feminist and women's rights movement/s. You come off like a middle schooler who's never read anything about the suffragettes, about Women's Lib in the 60s, or anything at all on the subject, but are happy to condescend to feminists out of the (false) belief that no one's gotten organized. You made that comment based on one by Melissia about how Feminism is not one monolithic entity with hierarchy and one clear, agreed-on set of priorities and tactics. Which is true of most political movements which aren't a strictly hierarchical political party. Do all conservatives have the exact same beliefs and agree on the same priorities and tactics? Of course not. How about all liberals? All minority advocates against racism? Obviously not. You drew a risably false conclusion based on a silly premise, seemingly founded on sheer ignorance.

Coulda done that alot sooner if there weren't so many feminazis...

Nothing about the word "feminazis" is helpful or useful. Godwining a discussion by likening people advocating for their rights to Nazis is about the stupidest form of debate. I'm hoping you meant it ironically, but that irony doesn't come across clearly online. There are and have been clearly some jerks and misandrists in the feminist movement. Women like Andrea Dworkin, for example, but thankfully they're a pretty tiny number. Lordofhats and others in this thread argued earlier that Sarkeesian is also a jerk, and not helpful to feminism, as they believe she makes dishonest arguments. That's a worthwhile discussion to have. Do you see the difference between criticizing a specific person and behavior, vs. throwing around terms like "feminazis' which are mostly the parlance of idiots, trolls, and/or wife-beaters?

Mind you, that might be near impossible with how indesicive most women are....

Again, not the time for this kind of comment to come across as a peace offering or an effort to lighten the tone. If you were good friends with Melissia, this kind of joke (assuming it's a joke) might break the tension, cause her to laugh, chuck you on the shoulder, call you a jerk (also in good humor), take a deep breath and continue. It might serve as a tension-breaker. But because this is the internet, because there's already a certain level of hostility in the thread (partially based on folks using terms like "feminazi', which you just had in the previous sentence), because your first statement about feminists not being organized comes off as condescending and ignorant, and because you're NOT good friends with Melissia, it's a bad choice of a joke. It comes off as possibly being sincere, and sincerely insulting.

It is a little strange to criticise feminism as a whole for what some feminists say. I would suggest that the reason they get so much of the focus isn't a matter of "volume" or a failing of other feminists. With a cursory look, you can find lots of public material written by feminists on all sorts of topics.

The reason these particular quotes from a very limited subset of the feminist population get so much attention is because they are what some people want to hear.

Wow... This thread took off... and just kept going...

Feminism definitely has an image problem but come on. What major movement or group doesn't have an image problem? The 'Femnazi' is the Westboro Baptists Church of Feminism (EDIT: Or as we are learning in another thread PETA for Animal Rights). But most people recognize Westboro isn't representative of even a small number of Christians. Feminists seem to have a really hard time time separating themselves from the crazies in the public sphere and getting people to listen to them.

The issue I feel mainly for Feminists is they have nothing really big to rally behind. First there was the right to vote, the right to work, the right for equal protection under the law. All of those are big things that can be pointed to and definitively identified (and there still are quite a few such things like the difference between men and women's wages). When trying to change gender roles and the perception of gender you're really stuck arguing what people often think of in their heads but never realize they're thinking. It's really messy because you have to explain why that's a problem in grueling detail for people to get it and even then sometimes they still don't get it. How does one wage battle with the subconcious social expectations and identities of society? The long and arduous way, that's how. It becomes easier for the general public to be lazy, find some crazy people, and write off the whole group than to pay attention (and I say this as someone probably fairly indicative of the general population when it comes to this subject).

Sarcasm doesn't often work well on the internet

I think we've seen that in this thread more than once

 LordofHats wrote:
The issue I feel mainly for Feminists is they have nothing really big to rally behind. First there was the right to vote, the right to work, the right for equal protection under the law. All of those are big things that can be pointed to and definitively identified (and there still are quite a few such things like the difference between men and women's wages). When trying to change gender roles and the perception of gender you're really stuck arguing what people often think of in their heads but never realize they're thinking. It's really messy because you have to explain why that's a problem in grueling detail for people to get it and even then sometimes they still don't get it. How does one wage battle with the subconcious social expectations and identities of society? The long and arduous way, that's how. It becomes easier for the general public to be lazy, find some crazy people, and write off the whole group than to pay attention (and I say this as someone probably fairly indicative of the general population when it comes to this subject).

I think that is a problem for any large movement, once it wins the major battles it can easily fracture and lose its unified voice that often drowned out or regulated the more extreme elements. I think that is why we are seeing so many different strains of feminism, each looking at a different issue and from a different perspective.

Just watched this vid yesterday. Very informative, very articulate, very persuasive, and great production values. I look forward to more installments!

 Mannahnin wrote:

 Amaya wrote:

 Mannahnin wrote:

 Amaya wrote:
You're kidding yourself if you don't think women can get away with a lot of crap, but it cuts both ways. Still, for there to be actual equality, all double standards need to be removed. The vocal feminists don't seem to be interested in that at all. I can understand that a bit, since they are more interested in uplifting their gender.

Can you give specific examples? In my experience of femimism, and as it was already described by multiple posters earlier in the thread, in fact most feminists do talk about removing double standards, and about equality as something which benefits men as well as women, and society in general. When you say that 'the vocal feminists" are not interested in removing double standards, only in advancing their own gender, you're leveling a blanket accusation at every feminist who speaks publicly. That's pretty inflammatory, and I have to say IME highly inaccurate. So again, who are you specifically talking about?

Well, I guess it is pretty inflammatory then, are you going to pitch a fit about it? I guess I can't share an opinion based on my experience if it differs from yours, can I?

By "pitch a fit", do you mean give you a suspension? We can go that route instead, of course, but rather than doing so I decided to give you the opportunity to clarify your comments so you didn't come off as a troll. In most of this thread you've seemed to keep a generally reasonable tone, so I was trying to cut you some slack.

Of course there's a difference between sharing an opinion about what you've personally experienced and making an insulting generalization about "the vocal feminists", in which you functionally accuse the entire group of bad faith and disingenuousness. I didn't just flag you for trolling, though, I instead asked you to explain WHO you meant by "the vocal faminists", so you could either substantiate your statement with evidence folks can evaluate, or you can retract or modify the statement. Up to you.


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 Slarg232 wrote:

 Mannahnin wrote:
Slarg, get out of the pool. You're not welcome in the thread if you can't be polite and respectful.

How was I not polite and respectful? Did I ever once call Mel the word you flagged me for? No, I quite specifically singled her out as one of the GOOD guys.... er... gals.

How am I supposed to know what is polite and respectful if no one actually says "Hey man, stop saying this, please" and instead directly goes to "Daddy" about it? If Mel, Hotsauceman, Cannerous, or anyone had said "Don't use that, please", I would have stopped.

And if I'm getting red flagged for saying "Women are indecisive", how could anyone take that as anything other than a joke? Maybe I should have posted wimminz, or maybe it wasn't 100% clear, which I apologize for, but seriously....

This probably comes across alot harsher than I mean it to, but come on...

Sarcasm doesn't often work well on the internet. It's also not a very friendly rhetorical device; while it can be amusing between friends, in a tense or heated discussion, it's inflammatory, not conciliatory.

And do you know how much more you could get done if you actually got together and figured things out amongst yourselves? It's taken, what, 50 years for the first female vice president?

This comment seems entirely in ignorance of the history of the feminist and women's rights movement/s. You come off like a middle schooler who's never read anything about the suffragettes, about Women's Lib in the 60s, or anything at all on the subject, but are happy to condescend to feminists out of the (false) belief that no one's gotten organized. You made that comment based on one by Melissia about how Feminism is not one monolithic entity with hierarchy and one clear, agreed-on set of priorities and tactics. Which is true of most political movements which aren't a strictly hierarchical political party. Do all conservatives have the exact same beliefs and agree on the same priorities and tactics? Of course not. How about all liberals? All minority advocates against racism? Obviously not. You drew a risably false conclusion based on a silly premise, seemingly founded on sheer ignorance.

Coulda done that alot sooner if there weren't so many feminazis...

Nothing about the word "feminazis" is helpful or useful. Godwining a discussion by likening people advocating for their rights to Nazis is about the stupidest form of debate. I'm hoping you meant it ironically, but that irony doesn't come across clearly online. There are and have been clearly some jerks and misandrists in the feminist movement. Women like Andrea Dworkin, for example, but thankfully they're a pretty tiny number. Lordofhats and others in this thread argued earlier that Sarkeesian is also a jerk, and not helpful to feminism, as they believe she makes dishonest arguments. That's a worthwhile discussion to have. Do you see the difference between criticizing a specific person and behavior, vs. throwing around terms like "feminazis' which are mostly the parlance of idiots, trolls, and/or wife-beaters?

Mind you, that might be near impossible with how indesicive most women are....

Again, not the time for this kind of comment to come across as a peace offering or an effort to lighten the tone. If you were good friends with Melissia, this kind of joke (assuming it's a joke) might break the tension, cause her to laugh, chuck you on the shoulder, call you a jerk (also in good humor), take a deep breath and continue. It might serve as a tension-breaker. But because this is the internet, because there's already a certain level of hostility in the thread (partially based on folks using terms like "feminazi', which you just had in the previous sentence), because your first statement about feminists not being organized comes off as condescending and ignorant, and because you're NOT good friends with Melissia, it's a bad choice of a joke. It comes off as possibly being sincere, and sincerely insulting.

I never said that Feminists were like nazis. However, the crazy ones most certainly are;

nazi's blamed all their problems on jews, homos, and non whites and wanted them out of their "perfect world"

Crazy Feminists blame all their problems on men, and want them out fo their "perfect world".

The only real difference between the nazi party and the CRAZY feminists is that Nazi's had the power to act upon their ideas. Hence, Feminazi is an appropriate term for THOSE people whom are CRAZY FEMINISTS. I would bet $100,000,000 and my left nut that if somehow the CRAZY feminists got ahold of Congress and the White House, we would see concentration camps for men.


As to them not organizing, that's the problem with EVERY movement, not just Feminists, as you said. But if Women have it SOOOOO bad, they could easily organize and change things. Same with Liberals, or any other movement. Just because we are talking about the Feminist movement doesn't mean my stance would change if we were talking about any other political movement.

Save the Nazi party. Feth them guys.



Just because this is the internet does NOT give any the excuse to take offense at any post on a site other than 4Chan; I did not post porn, a death of an animal or person, or anything similarily obscene. I posted my opinion, and if anyone gets offended by another's opinion they honestly deserve to be offended. Also, as you said there are several different ways of reading any particular post. Just because someone lacks the skills to read a post in several lights before posting and judging it does not mean that I shouldn't post it.


As I have said and will ALWAYS say, I'm with the feminist movement on the idea that women need to have equal rights. I will not, however, sacrifice my rights or allow others to have more rights than I, after doing so.

Calling anyone a Nazi or variation thereof is irresponsible and adds absolutely frakking nothing to a discussion.

"I never said feminists are like nazis, except when I did." doesn't make for a good apology or excuse.

Amaya wrote:Calling anyone a Nazi or variation thereof is irresponsible and adds absolutely frakking nothing to a discussion.

What about Nazis? Can we call Nazis, Nazis? Or is that too offensive?

Melissia wrote:"I never said feminists are like nazis, except when I did." doesn't make for a good apology or excuse.

You make the mistake of thinking I'm doing either.

Feminists as a whole are good thing. If you haven't seen me say that you lack basic reading skills. But there are bad ones, and they are vocal.

Not all Feminists are feminazis, but all feminazis are feminists.

I never said you were trying to.

I suggested you needed to.

The only thing you ever talk about is "feminazis". Almost every single post you've made in this thread you've mentioned "feminazis", called people "feminazis", referred to "feminazis", or generally act completely obsessed about "feminazis".

Just stop already, you only ever see "feminazis" because that's all you ever want to see, we get it. Can we can talk about the actual thread topic instead of you comparing feminists to nazis over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over again?

Someone broke the copy paste feature XD

 Melissia wrote:
I never said you were trying to.

I suggested you needed to.

The only thing you ever talk about is "feminazis". Almost every single post you've made in this thread you've mentioned "feminazis", called people "feminazis", referred to "feminazis", or generally act completely obsessed about "feminazis".

Mostly because there is a very big distinction between the two, which you STILL are too obtuse to realize that I'm on YOUR side.

You asked why people don't like the feminist movement, and I told you why. Just because you don't like how I explain it, doesn't mean that I should explain it any differently.

Did I cringe and complain when manahain refered to me in the same sentence as a wife beater? No, because he wasn't actually refering to me and I know enough not to get upset over someone on the forums.

Did he say that ALL men are wife beaters? OF COURSE NOT. Just like I have NEVER said that YOU, or that ALL Feminists, are Feminazis.

Also, you yourself in every post have talked about Feminists. Are you completely obsessed with feminism? You call people feminists, refer to feminists. You want to know why? Because that's the topic we are discussing. Odd how that works, don't it?

Just stop already, you only ever see "is people against you" because that's all you ever want to see, we get it. Can we can talk about the actual thread topic instead of you comparing people on your side but with differeing opinions to people who don't want women to have equal rights over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over and and over and over and over and over again?

 Slarg232 wrote:
You asked why people don't like the feminist movement

No, I didn't.

And I wasn't referreing to your recent posts. You did this gak from the BEGINNING. From the very start, you've ranted on and on, non-stop, about "feminazis". You're STILL doing it.

If you have only insults to say, perhaps it is best if you stop saying it.

 Melissia wrote:

 Slarg232 wrote:
You asked why people don't like the feminist movement

No, I didn't.

And I wasn't referreing to your recent posts. You did this gak from the BEGINNINg.

And this was a feminist topic.

From the beginning.


Edit: BECAUSE WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT THE MOVEMENT.

 Slarg232 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 Slarg232 wrote:
You asked why people don't like the feminist movement

No, I didn't.

And I wasn't referreing to your recent posts. You did this gak from the BEGINNINg.

And this was a feminist topic.

From the beginning.


Edit: BECAUSE WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT THE MOVEMENT.

And yet most people in this thread are mature enough not to toss insults around.

Hell, I've done my best to try to not throw insults around when I was talking about people who told me "I hope you get raped to death".

She is a heavily biased fool, who hasn't done her research. Why does she even have airtime?

 Spyral wrote:
She is a heavily biased fool, who hasn't done her research. Why does she even have airtime?

At least her video had some moderate level of production value instead of being some half-assed one-line response slapped together on a forum behind an anonymous nametag.

Your post gets air time on this forum, when it is both heavily biased and ill-researched. Should we censor your post? Hell, I don't agree with everything she has to say either, but this is youtube we're talking about. By its standards, her video IS high quality. Why shouldn't she get air time in comparison to, say, a video about a drunk guy puking his guts out?

 Melissia wrote:

 Spyral wrote:
She is a heavily biased fool, who hasn't done her research. Why does she even have airtime?

At least her video had some moderate level of production value instead of being some half-assed one-line response slapped together on a forum behind an anonymous nametag.

Your post gets air time on this forum, when it is both heavily biased and ill-researched. Should we censor your post? Hell, I don't agree with everything she has to say either, but this is youtube we're talking about. By its standards, her video IS high quality. Why shouldn't she get air time in comparison to, say, a video about a drunk guy puking his guts out?

It is censorable as it's a privately owned forum. High quality video is irrelevant to the message.
Also by air time I probably should have said 'attention' rather than the ability to self publish to youtube which indeed, any vomitus expelling drunkard can do via iPhone.

Also don't know if this has been posted yet:

 Spyral wrote:
It is censorable as it's a privately owned forum. High quality video is irrelevant to the message.

Her video has more intellectual value, more thought put in to it, and more research done for it, than any of your posts in this thread, yet you would say it should be censored because of its "lack of research", amongst other things. So, again, why should your posts, which are far less well thought out, and far less researched than her video was, remain when using the same standards you used to try to censor her post?

Of course, you aren't using the same standards, but that's obvious.

 Spyral wrote:
Also don't know if this has been posted yet:

I know of it. It's lame, stupid, and ill-researched, more focused on feminist-bashing than actually talking about the facts of the matter.

 Melissia wrote:

 Spyral wrote:
It is censorable as it's a privately owned forum. High quality video is irrelevant to the message.

Her video has more intellectual value, more thought put in to it, and more research done for it, than any of your posts in this thread, yet you would say it should be censored because of its "lack of research", amongst other things. So, again, why should your posts, which are far less well thought out, and far less researched than her video was, remain when using the same standards you used to try to censor her post?

 Spyral wrote:
Also don't know if this has been posted yet:

I know of it. It's lame, stupid, and ill-researched, more focused on feminist-bashing than actually talking about the facts of the matter.

I found it a highly amusing criticism of the aforementioned poorly researched feminist pandering video.

 Melissia wrote:

 Slarg232 wrote:

 Melissia wrote:

 Slarg232 wrote:
You asked why people don't like the feminist movement

No, I didn't.

And I wasn't referreing to your recent posts. You did this gak from the BEGINNINg.

And this was a feminist topic.

From the beginning.


Edit: BECAUSE WE ARE STILL TALKING ABOUT THE MOVEMENT.

And yet most people in this thread are mature enough not to toss insults around.

Hell, I've done my best to try to not throw insults around when I was talking about people who told me "I hope you get raped to death".

And I'm not exactly insulting anyone in the thread either.

If people are taking offense to what I'm saying, that's entirely different to insulting someone. Because taking offense is the readers problem, not the posters.

 Slarg232 wrote:
And I'm not exactly insulting anyone in the thread either.

If people are taking offense to what I'm saying, that's entirely different to insulting someone. Because taking offense is the readers problem, not the posters.

If I call you a nasty name, I am responsible for doing do. It's rude, and being rude is a violation of the forum's rules.

If you make simultaneously ignorant and condescending comments toward other posters, while throwing around trollish terms like "feminazi", you are responsible for being inflammatory and offensive. As you are disclaiming responsibilty for the consequences of your posts, you leave me no choice as a moderator but to take responsibility for the impact of your posts on other users, and to hold you to the terms of the agreement under which you have been granted permission to post on this site.

 Slarg232 wrote:
And I'm not exactly insulting anyone in the thread either.

Yes, you have.

I'm a vocal feminist and you would say that most people like me are Nazis or like Nazis.

You probably are so ignorant of the history of the Feminist movement AND of Nazi Germany that you don't even realize how offensive that is. Nazi Germany went out of its way to exclude women from all positions of responsibility, especially in politics and academia. Women were not even allowed to become teachers or nurses under Nazi Germany. Hell, Nazi Germany was one of the most misogynistic, anti-feminist organizations to obtain power over a country in the history of modern society. It made southern USA two hundred years ago look goddamned progressive in comparison.

And yet you would declare practically an entire political group to be "like Nazis" for no goddamned reason except to fething insult us. I'm still waiting for your apology.

 Spyral wrote:

You know at first I thought, wow someone is gonna go through her video and suggest she's never played any of these games and might have misused some of them... But I was wrong. He's got some okay criticism in there but most of it is about as misdirected as her video.

It's kind of facepalm-inducing really. She even goes out of her way to say the games are fun and aren't bad games.

There's a lot of criticism you can level at her video but saying she hates video games is stupid.

 Melissia wrote:
It's kind of facepalm-inducing really. She even goes out of her way to say the games are fun and aren't bad games.

There's a lot of criticism you can level at her video but saying she hates video games is stupid.

What I find really funny is that he touches on some legitimate criticism and then runs somewhere crazy with it XD

Every single video I've seen criticizing her either has never had a point to begin with, or had a point then ignored it to go on some wild, idiotic tangent.

Which, ironically, also goes for at least 99.99999% of comments in youtube. But then again, who really expects intelligent debate out of youtube comments?

Nice to see we're keeping a high standard of intellectual discourse in this thread.

I don't know if that comment was meant to be sarcastic, but it came off as really funny.

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