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problem with randomness in a game of dice?

hitting, wounding, everything is random in this game,

despite having the option to take random powers from BRB (which still allows you the choice ofthe primaris)


and its not set in stone that every codex will be random chart powers, even if it was, eldar will get fortune as primaris anyways.
as it stands, you can still choose from the codex,

I actually think they will keep eldar as a choose your power type list, otherwise they would have to change warlocks and the eldar strat too much.... I guarantee you will get fortune every time with the new codex, 2xfortune and Doom, and shrouding every time? maybe, maybe not.

Here's a bit of a counter (primarily for Eldar players): say the new codex is a "pick your power" list, or you can trade for BRB powers (more or less as it is now), except that they go the SW route and all powers cost the same. Basically all Farseers will be mini-Eldrads. Is that a better solution? Will that create too much howling when you bring a Farseer to the table?

easysauce wrote:
problem with randomness in a game of dice?

That's oversimplifying things. Taken to the extreme:
First we roll to decide what codex do we use.
Next let's make every model cost D6 x 3 and each stat will be D6 plus some 'fluffy' value.
Next roll on a special unit table what weapon it will be using, then another random table for abilities.
It's a game of dice so that is a good idea, right?
Ah, screw it. Let's just both players roll D6 and whoever gets higher wins. Necrons get +2, IG and GK get +1. Arbitrary numbers taken from 'what codex is OP?' thread. Because game of dice.


There really is a difference between list building and the combat. Remember CSM unit with the random table? It's not a coincidence that it wasn't a popular unit.
Apart from a very selective few, last edition didn't have almost any randomness in creating your army. And the units that did were not liked, not chosen and were often complained about. So no, not everything is random in this game.

eldar got gimped in sooo many ways, their codex is rediculously out of date, the new one will buff them for sure, and i hope it does, soo many diverse units that get shelved due to being nerfed that could be brought back with a new codex that makes them usable again...

maybe if some of their units got un nerfed they wouldnt rely so much on eldrad + uber seer councils/deathstar type stuff.

 mars2024 wrote:
Here's a bit of a counter (primarily for Eldar players): say the new codex is a "pick your power" list, or you can trade for BRB powers (more or less as it is now), except that they go the SW route and all powers cost the same. Basically all Farseers will be mini-Eldrads. Is that a better solution? Will that create too much howling when you bring a Farseer to the table?

If they do their job correctly and make all powers at least reasonably balanced for different situations, so there isn't really one that is better every single time? Then yeah, that sounds great! Do people get unreasonably angry every time they see a Rune Priest because he can pick his powers? I don't really see why this would be a problem. This is how almost every fifth edition psyker worked, and I didn't see this mechanic being overpowered. The powers may have been, but that's a different issue. I personally would prefer the pay-for-your-powers approach, but hey, this is fine too.


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easysauce wrote:
eldar got gimped in sooo many ways, their codex is rediculously out of date, the new one will buff them for sure, and i hope it does, soo many diverse units that get shelved due to being nerfed that could be brought back with a new codex that makes them usable again...

maybe if some of their units got un nerfed they wouldnt rely so much on eldrad + uber seer councils/deathstar type stuff.

None of that is relevant here. All we are talking about is whether rolling for psychic powers is a good thing. This argument has gone towards the Eldar book, but mainly because of their niche in the 40k fluff. We aren't talking about if they are good or not, or how other aspects of the next book will change, just the psykers and how GW is dealing with them.

I dont see rolling or choosing as being the end all, both have merit, both are done... you are not forced to do either

we are only assuming that in the future all powers are random, which isnt for sure, even then, primaris' are not random at all.

now we just build a psyker from 2-3 guaranteed powers, and 12-18 random ones, that if we dont like, can be swapped for primaris'

we still get to "pick" powers, in fact we just get a bonus chance to get something better thrown into the mix

just like changing from armour modifers to AP ratings, I see lots of people just picking a side on this, and making it to be more of an issue then it really is

both methods work, some people like one method over the other is all.

Of course it's not that big of an issue, but the forum's for talking about things and debating points. If you're just going to come in and say, "some people like one, some people like the other, not a big deal" then you're not really contributing to the discussion

In a friendly game, would you object to players being able to simply choose which power they want?

 MandalorynOranj wrote:
Of course it's not that big of an issue, but the forum's for talking about things and debating points. If you're just going to come in and say, "some people like one, some people like the other, not a big deal" then you're not really contributing to the discussion

how is that anything but condescending and ironically unproductive....

some people obviously dont like to roll randomly for powers

in a discussion thread my opinion that its not actually that big of a change since its really just choosing from less powers as opposed to not choosing at all is valid and on topic

look at it as still choosing powers through the primaris' you want and the rest are bonus if you get them, cause we do still get to choose the table and primaris so its not that random

 Phiasco II wrote:
In a friendly game, would you object to players being able to simply choose which power they want?

sure, friendly games I pretty much let anything fun go... its more would my opponent like that..

id love 3 choices on div as opposed to 3 rolls... holy cow would that be OP