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As per the BRB on skyfire:

A model with this special rule, or that is firing a weapon with this special rule, fires using its normal ballistics skill when shooting at Flyers, Flying Monstrous Creatures, and Skimmers.

So when upgrading the soul grinder, you can add a 24" S10 AP1 assault 1 weapon. Now when shooting with the skyfire version of his harvester, it also grants the use of "normal ballistics skill" when shooting at flyers.

I believe that this is completely legal RAW.


Thoughts?

I don't get it.

If he has sky fire on one weapon, it doesn't transfer to another.

Green wing marines don't get sky fire on their bolsters because the missile has it...

If the Skyfire rule is on a weapon, it only applies to shots made with that weapon(or profile if its part of a weapon with multiple profiles).

If its something the model specifically has, it applies to all shots.

This is simply reading comprehension failure.

Only the weapon that has the rule can use it.
If the model had skyfire it would be a different story.

The weapon has skyfire and fires using normal ballistics skill, the other weapons have no such permission.

Big Guns Never Tire and SG controlling Skyfire Nexus is only way i can see it happening.

"a model ... that is firing a weapon with this special rule, fires using normal ballistics skill when shooting at flyers..."

He is firing a weapon with this USR, so therefore he can fire warp gaze at "normal ballistics skill when shooting at flyers."

the USR does not specify that only the weapon fires at normal BS. It just says "a model ... fires using normal ballistics skill..."
So the model is firing at full BS even when shooting his warp gaze, because all of the shooting happens at the same time, so the Soul Grinder would be firing the Skyfire harvester and the Warp Gaze at the same time

Careful how you argue this.

If he's got skyfire (as you claim) than he can only snapfire against targets on the ground unless he's also got interceptor.

If it works the way you claim, he can't fire the Plegm Cannon if he takes it.

Does it work the way you claim? No... no it doesn't. His S7 AP4 Heavy 3 gun has a firing mode that includes Skyfire, that weapon, and that weapon alone can skyfire.

 loreweaver wrote:
Careful how you argue this.

If he's got skyfire (as you claim) than he can only snapfire against targets on the ground unless he's also got interceptor.

If it works the way you claim, he can't fire the Plegm Cannon if he takes it.

Does it work the way you claim? No... no it doesn't. His S7 AP4 Heavy 3 gun has a firing mode that includes Skyfire, that weapon, and that weapon alone can skyfire.

Well he wouldn't be firing a gun with skyfire, because the harvester has two profiles, one with skyfire, one without. You would fire the regular one fore ground targets (therefore you would'n have a weapon with the skyfire USR), and fire the skyfire one for flyers (now you have a wep with the skyfire USR)

thisisnotpancho wrote:

 loreweaver wrote:
Careful how you argue this.

If he's got skyfire (as you claim) than he can only snapfire against targets on the ground unless he's also got interceptor.

If it works the way you claim, he can't fire the Plegm Cannon if he takes it.

Does it work the way you claim? No... no it doesn't. His S7 AP4 Heavy 3 gun has a firing mode that includes Skyfire, that weapon, and that weapon alone can skyfire.

Well he wouldn't be firing a gun with skyfire, because the harvester has two profiles, one with skyfire, one without. You would fire the regular one fore ground targets (therefore you would'n have a weapon with the skyfire USR), and fire the skyfire one for flyers (now you have a wep with the skyfire USR)

The rule you're quoting doesn't mention firing a weapon with skyfire, just having one.

The Skyfire rule, which you guys left the best comma's out of, refers to a model or a weapon. If it's the model, the model gets skyfire for all its shooting. If it's the weapon, that weapon gets skyfire. It's RAW and RAI.

I seem to be interpreting this as though he is firing a weapon without skyfire when he shoots the non-skyfire harvester, and as though he is shooting a weapon with skyfire when he is shooting the skyfire version of it.

That might be the RAI part for me, but i think it makes a lot of sense

 loreweaver wrote:
Careful how you argue this.

If he's got skyfire (as you claim) than he can only snapfire against targets on the ground unless he's also got interceptor.

If it works the way you claim, he can't fire the Plegm Cannon if he takes it.

Does it work the way you claim? No... no it doesn't. His S7 AP4 Heavy 3 gun has a firing mode that includes Skyfire, that weapon, and that weapon alone can skyfire.

You would be only partially correct. In the shooting phase where the SG uses Skyfire then he only Snapshoots at ground targets. If doesn't use they Skyfire weapon/rule then he fires normally.

Interceptor only applies to units arriving from reserve. You would need both Skyfire and Interceptor to hit what ever targets come in from reserve (unless you are already snapshooting because of something else)

40k-noob wrote:

Interceptor only applies to units arriving from reserve. You would need both Skyfire and Interceptor to hit what ever targets come in from reserve (unless you are already snapshooting because of something else)

You should re-read Interceptor.

In the case of soulgrinder i think its his ammo choice with the auto cannon that he fires. Its like flakk ammo.

rigeld2 wrote:

40k-noob wrote:

Interceptor only applies to units arriving from reserve. You would need both Skyfire and Interceptor to hit what ever targets come in from reserve (unless you are already snapshooting because of something else)

You should re-read Interceptor.

re-read.

Still stand by my statement.

Interceptor has two parts to it. One applies to enemy reserves. The other applies generally.

Skyfire also has a caveat regarding Interceptor as well. Might re-read that as well.

 insaniak wrote:
Interceptor has two parts to it. One applies to enemy reserves. The other applies generally.

I see now, I have always looked at that rule as a whole, applying to shooting at units coming in reserve. You would need Skyfire and Interceptor to shoot at ground troops or Flyers in the movement phase of your enemy.

40k-noob wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

40k-noob wrote:

Interceptor only applies to units arriving from reserve. You would need both Skyfire and Interceptor to hit what ever targets come in from reserve (unless you are already snapshooting because of something else)

You should re-read Interceptor.

re-read.

Still stand by my statement.

So the 3rd paragraph under interceptor means ... what exactly?
In other words, it doesn't "apply only to units arriving from reserve."

 Grey Templar wrote:
Skyfire also has a caveat regarding Interceptor as well. Might re-read that as well.

Haha, I think i and many folks I have seen have bee playing Flyers wrong.


Flyers can only Snapfire at non-skimmer ground units. Unless I am missing a FAQ some where.

40k-noob wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Skyfire also has a caveat regarding Interceptor as well. Might re-read that as well.

Haha, I think i and many folks I have seen have bee playing Flyers wrong.


Flyers can only Snapfire at non-skimmer ground units. Unless I am missing a FAQ some where.

No, flyers can choose to have the Skyfire rule. They arn't required to use it. Re-read flyers.

40k-noob wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Skyfire also has a caveat regarding Interceptor as well. Might re-read that as well.

Haha, I think i and many folks I have seen have bee playing Flyers wrong.


Flyers can only Snapfire at non-skimmer ground units. Unless I am missing a FAQ some where.

Completely wrong.
Page 81 under Special rules.
Honestly, you should read the rules again.

 Grey Templar wrote:

40k-noob wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Skyfire also has a caveat regarding Interceptor as well. Might re-read that as well.

Haha, I think i and many folks I have seen have bee playing Flyers wrong.


Flyers can only Snapfire at non-skimmer ground units. Unless I am missing a FAQ some where.

No, flyers can choose to have the Skyfire rule. They arn't required to use it. Re-read flyers.

No, it says they can choose to USE it. They always HAVE the rule but can choose to use it.

The Skyfire rule says:

"A model with this special rule,or that is firing a weapon with this special rule, fires using its normal ballistic skill when shooting at Flyers, Flying Monstrous Creatures and Skimmers Unless it also hast he Interceptors special rule, it can only fire snap shots against other targets."

Flyers always have Skyfire, but none that I am aware of have Interceptor.

40k-noob wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Skyfire also has a caveat regarding Interceptor as well. Might re-read that as well.

Haha, I think i and many folks I have seen have bee playing Flyers wrong.


Flyers can only Snapfire at non-skimmer ground units. Unless I am missing a FAQ some where.

Flyers can choose to have Skyfire or not. If they do, they can only snap-fire at ground units and fire at full BS at other Flyers and Flying Monstrous Creatures.

It is the same as the SG's Harvester Cannon. If he chooses to use the Skyfire profile, he can fire that weapon at full BS at Flyers. I would think that because Warp Gaze does not have Skyfire, nor does the Soul Grinder have Skyfire on the model itself (just the weapon), that the Skyfire Harvester could be fired at a Flyer at full BS and Warp Gaze at a ground target at full BS.

40k-noob wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

40k-noob wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Skyfire also has a caveat regarding Interceptor as well. Might re-read that as well.

Haha, I think i and many folks I have seen have bee playing Flyers wrong.


Flyers can only Snapfire at non-skimmer ground units. Unless I am missing a FAQ some where.

No, flyers can choose to have the Skyfire rule. They arn't required to use it. Re-read flyers.

No, it says they can choose to USE it. They always HAVE the rule but can choose to use it.

The Skyfire rule says:

"A model with this special rule,or that is firing a weapon with this special rule, fires using its normal ballistic skill when shooting at Flyers, Flying Monstrous Creatures and Skimmers Unless it also hast he Interceptors special rule, it can only fire snap shots against other targets."

Flyers always have Skyfire, but none that I am aware of have Interceptor.

Only if they choose to use the rule does it effect their shooting. It is very clear.

 liturgies of blood wrote:

40k-noob wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

40k-noob wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Skyfire also has a caveat regarding Interceptor as well. Might re-read that as well.

Haha, I think i and many folks I have seen have bee playing Flyers wrong.


Flyers can only Snapfire at non-skimmer ground units. Unless I am missing a FAQ some where.

No, flyers can choose to have the Skyfire rule. They arn't required to use it. Re-read flyers.

No, it says they can choose to USE it. They always HAVE the rule but can choose to use it.

The Skyfire rule says:

"A model with this special rule,or that is firing a weapon with this special rule, fires using its normal ballistic skill when shooting at Flyers, Flying Monstrous Creatures and Skimmers Unless it also hast he Interceptors special rule, it can only fire snap shots against other targets."

Flyers always have Skyfire, but none that I am aware of have Interceptor.

Only if they choose to use the rule does it effect their shooting. It is very clear.

You are right. My mistake.

 Grey Templar wrote:

40k-noob wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Skyfire also has a caveat regarding Interceptor as well. Might re-read that as well.

Haha, I think i and many folks I have seen have bee playing Flyers wrong.


Flyers can only Snapfire at non-skimmer ground units. Unless I am missing a FAQ some where.

No, flyers can choose to have the Skyfire rule. They arn't required to use it. Re-read flyers.

Storm ravens that POTMS at a ground target while sky firing still snap fire. It's chosen before you shoot.

So been reading this and trying to understand .

 Scipio Africanus wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:

40k-noob wrote:

 Grey Templar wrote:
Skyfire also has a caveat regarding Interceptor as well. Might re-read that as well.

Haha, I think i and many folks I have seen have bee playing Flyers wrong.


Flyers can only Snapfire at non-skimmer ground units. Unless I am missing a FAQ some where.

No, flyers can choose to have the Skyfire rule. They arn't required to use it. Re-read flyers.

Storm ravens that POTMS at a ground target while sky firing still snap fire. It's chosen before you shoot.

Yes, they choose to use it or not. and it applies to all the shots they make that turn.

This is why I so much preferr RAI over RAW. By the logic here, the soulgrinder must put -his eyes- in the skyfire gun, to give them gaze as skyfire.

 Evileyes wrote:
This is why I so much preferr RAI over RAW. By the logic here, the soulgrinder must put -his eyes- in the skyfire gun, to give them gaze as skyfire.

Except the RAW is clear, and it says only the weapon profile with the Skyfire gets the Skyfire.

And RAI is far inferior to RAW because its subjective. RAI is really what YOU think the designers intended, which is most likely different from what I think the designers intended on some issue. So really it is rules as I want them to be, not rules as intended.