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Fellow wargamers, lend me your ears,

How do I go about using the Aegis Defence Line? The one with the Quad Gun?

I 'buy' it as a 'Fortification' right? And then use it as a normal unit?

Is it manned, or automated?

I'm reading the manual but its not giving me anything to work with!

If anything I said above is incorrect, please do sort me out!

The rules for purchasing an Aegis Defence line tell you what type of weapon the quad gun is. If you then look up that type in the rulebook it will tell you if the gun fires automated or must have a model in base contact.

You place the aegis, including the quad gun, before setting up other terrain. It is not "your" unit (it isnt technically a unit at all) so it is possible for your opponent to fire the quad gun you bought, if they can get a model in base contact with it.

You buy it and chose where it goes before your deployment. It then falls under the rules in the "Battlefield Debris" section of the rulebook. This includes the gun purchased with it. As stated before, if you opponent can get a model into base contact with it they can fire it as well.

tidalwake wrote:
You buy it and chose where it goes before your deployment. It then falls under the rules in the "Battlefield Debris" section of the rulebook. This includes the gun purchased with it. As stated before, if you opponent can get a model into base contact with it they can fire it as well.

Note that bastions do not come under the 'delapidation' rules in a similar way.

do you get a cover save anywhere behind it or just withn LOS? This was discussed at length in another post but no consensus was reached. Do all models gainn the cover save (vehicles, etc. or just what LOS is blocking?

Cover is based on the model. If the model (regardless of type) is 25% obscured by the ADL they get a cover save.

Thanks guys!

Another thing... where in the rulebook does it explain the Icarus Lascannon/Quad Gun? Not the 'Weapons' section for sure... I'm lost!

Here is how I have always played it:

All Fortifications are set up after Terrain. First Player to deploy sets up his, then second player sets up theirs.

Next, you must place all sections of your Aegis Defence Line in contact with one another, including the Quad Gun.

Finally, anyone can use a fortification if they are on it and fire is coming from a direction where any part of the line would give a cover save. You must a model within 2" to fire the Quad Gun.

 dominiquekee wrote:
Another thing... where in the rulebook does it explain the Icarus Lascannon/Quad Gun? Not the 'Weapons' section for sure... I'm lost!

If you read the Aegis rules entry, on page 114, you'll note that it tells you that its Terrain Type is Battlefield Debris (Defense lines). And it tells you that you can buy it a Gun Emplacement with either an Icarus or Quad Gun. Funny enough, Defense Lines and Gun Emplacements are both described in the terrain rules, under Battlefield Debris, on pages 104 and 105.

rathkoron wrote:
All Fortifications are set up after Terrain. First Player to deploy sets up his, then second player sets up theirs.

This is a workable house rule, but of course it's not the rulebook process.

rathkoron wrote:
Next, you must place all sections of your Aegis Defence Line in contact with one another, including the Quad Gun.

There are some folks who will argue this, but I believe you're completely correct on this. One FAQ entry specifies that the sections have to be contiguous. Another refers to the upgrades as "attached" to the line.

rathkoron wrote:
Finally, anyone can use a fortification if they are on it and fire is coming from a direction where any part of the line would give a cover save.

You don't have to be on it. Just obscured by it from the perspective of at least one firing model in the firing unit. There's no proximity requirement; it's just based on line of sight.

rathkoron wrote:
You must a model within 2" to fire the Quad Gun.

Base contact. 2" is for Comm Relays.

rathkoron wrote:
Here is how I have always played it:

All Fortifications are set up after Terrain. First Player to deploy sets up his, then second player sets up theirs.

Next, you must place all sections of your Aegis Defence Line in contact with one another, including the Quad Gun.

Finally, anyone can use a fortification if they are on it and fire is coming from a direction where any part of the line would give a cover save. You must a model within 2" to fire the Quad Gun.

This being the case, you are playing it very wrong. Almost everything you've said is incorrect.

1) Fortifications are placed BEFORE any other terrain.
2) You do *NOT* have to place all the sections of the ADL. You may place UP TO 4 long sections and 4 short sections.
3) The quad gun does *NOT* have to be touching the ADL. You may place it anywhere within 3" of any section of the line.
4) You don't automatically get a cover save just for being shot at from a certain direction. You get a cover save if 25% of the MODEL that the wound has been allocated to is obscured from the LOS of the firer.
5) A model must be in base to base contact with the quad gun to fire it.

Please re-read the rulebook, and the rules for YMDC.

Thanks Brother Mannahnin. Praise be to the Emperor.

 Cheesedoodler wrote:

3) The quad gun does *NOT* have to be touching the ADL. You may place it anywhere within 3" of any section of the line.

the Within 3" has no basis in the rules at all.

The FaQ says that all sections of he ADL need to be touching. The Gun is an optional piece of the ADL.

 Cheesedoodler wrote:
3) The quad gun does *NOT* have to be touching the ADL. You may place it anywhere within 3" of any section of the line.

This is completely false. There is no rule specifying any maximum distance between the gun and the nearest wall section, RAW you can place the wall in one corner of your deployment zone and the gun 5' away in the opposite corner. In fact, RAW you don't have to deploy any wall sections at all, so the gun can go anywhere you want. Now, you may not make many friends by doing this and a 3" limit is probably a reasonable house rule if you and your opponent want to agree on that, but that's an entirely different subject from RAW.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Cheesedoodler wrote:
3) The quad gun does *NOT* have to be touching the ADL. You may place it anywhere within 3" of any section of the line.

This is completely false. There is no rule specifying any maximum distance between the gun and the nearest wall section, RAW you can place the wall in one corner of your deployment zone and the gun 5' away in the opposite corner. In fact, RAW you don't have to deploy any wall sections at all, so the gun can go anywhere you want. Now, you may not make many friends by doing this and a 3" limit is probably a reasonable house rule if you and your opponent want to agree on that, but that's an entirely different subject from RAW.

RAW you do have to place all wall sections together. This is covered in the FAQ.

 Peregrine wrote:

 Cheesedoodler wrote:
3) The quad gun does *NOT* have to be touching the ADL. You may place it anywhere within 3" of any section of the line.

This is completely false. There is no rule specifying any maximum distance between the gun and the nearest wall section, RAW you can place the wall in one corner of your deployment zone and the gun 5' away in the opposite corner. In fact, RAW you don't have to deploy any wall sections at all, so the gun can go anywhere you want. Now, you may not make many friends by doing this and a 3" limit is probably a reasonable house rule if you and your opponent want to agree on that, but that's an entirely different subject from RAW.

By the common meaning of "Attached", you DO have to join the gun t o the ADL

By A common meaning of attached...

By The common meaning of attached in this context[

Sorry, where are you getting "attached" from in the context of the ADL?
I can't see anything in either the rulebook or the FAQ that insists that the gun emplacement be "attached" at all, hell the picture on page 114 clearly shows the quad gun as not touching the ADL (though in that instance, entirely enclosed by it).

The Infinite wrote:
Sorry, where are you getting "attached" from in the context of the ADL?
I can't see anything in either the rulebook or the FAQ that insists that the gun emplacement be "attached" at all, hell the picture on page 114 clearly shows the quad gun as not touching the ADL (though in that instance, entirely enclosed by it).

oh no, not again, Here come's the pictures

the real question is "is the gun a section of the ADL?"

I think so.

and it very well could be attached to the back wall.

My only issue is that the ADL consists of 0-4 short and long sections. The gun/relay are optional, and I don't recall them being referred to as "sections".

 Happyjew wrote:
My only issue is that the ADL consists of 0-4 short and long sections. The gun/relay are optional, and I don't recall them being referred to as "sections".

The Optional equipment for the ADL are not referred to in the "composition" of the ADL because they are not always there.

If you take one of the options they are a part of the ADL.

I'll just jump in here with a question about the ADL too. Is there a certain distance you have to be from the ADL to get the save? If I am 12" behind the wall, and the enemies line of fire goes through the wall, do I still get the save? Seems silly if so.

Samurai_Eduh wrote:
I'll just jump in here with a question about the ADL too. Is there a certain distance you have to be from the ADL to get the save? If I am 12" behind the wall, and the enemies line of fire goes through the wall, do I still get the save? Seems silly if so.

Ugh. Why oh why does this keep coming up? Nothing personal against you Eduh. Is there some vid saying you have to be within a certain range of the ADL to benefit? It is quite simple. Get down and look from the firing model at the unit. Are they 25% obscured by the wall? If so they get a cover save.

Samurai_Eduh wrote:
I'll just jump in here with a question about the ADL too. Is there a certain distance you have to be from the ADL to get the save? If I am 12" behind the wall, and the enemies line of fire goes through the wall, do I still get the save? Seems silly if so.

Do you have cover from the Wall? If yes, you get the save.

You use the LOS rules for Cover to determine it.

 Happyjew wrote:

Samurai_Eduh wrote:
I'll just jump in here with a question about the ADL too. Is there a certain distance you have to be from the ADL to get the save? If I am 12" behind the wall, and the enemies line of fire goes through the wall, do I still get the save? Seems silly if so.

Ugh. Why oh why does this keep coming up? Nothing personal against you Eduh. Is there some vid saying you have to be within a certain range of the ADL to benefit? It is quite simple. Get down and look from the firing model at the unit. Are they 25% obscured by the wall? If so they get a cover save.

Yeah it is a silly question, and there is no rules saying that they don't but damned if it doesnt look funny on the table that a unit standing in the middle of an open field gets cover saves from it.

Samurai_Eduh wrote:
I'll just jump in here with a question about the ADL too. Is there a certain distance you have to be from the ADL to get the save? If I am 12" behind the wall, and the enemies line of fire goes through the wall, do I still get the save? Seems silly if so.

I am by no means a rules expert, but it seems the way to answer your question would be:

1) Normal cover rules state that if 25% of the models are unable to be seen then they get a 5+ cover save
2) Being behind a defensible fortification, or in a runes shooting out a window gives you a 4+ cover save

So if you are 12" behind the wall, but yet are still obscured 25%, then you get a 5+ cover save. The 4+ cover save represents being up against something that blocks much more of the model as well as the unit would be ducking down the wall while shooting. If you have ever been shot at, you will know what I mean. 9-)

Samurai_Eduh wrote:
damned if it doesnt look funny on the table that a unit standing in the middle of an open field gets cover saves from it.

Shooting unit

Giant freaking wall







Guys on the other side


A giant freaking wall sometimes obscures vision. Funny that.

You could be a thousand inches from the wall and theoretically still get a cover save from it. You just need to be 25% obscured.

There is nothing magical about it, get down and look to figure out of a cover save is granted.

Moridan wrote:
So if you are 12" behind the wall, but yet are still obscured 25%, then you get a 5+ cover save. The 4+ cover save represents being up against something that blocks much more of the model as well as the unit would be ducking down the wall while shooting.

Which is fine as a house rule, but not how the rules actually work.

There is no distance requirement or base contact requirement for the save from the ADL.

The Infinite wrote:
Sorry, where are you getting "attached" from in the context of the ADL?
I can't see anything in either the rulebook or the FAQ that insists that the gun emplacement be "attached" at all, hell the picture on page 114 clearly shows the quad gun as not touching the ADL (though in that instance, entirely enclosed by it).

There are two FAQ questions in the BRB FAQ about the Aegis. One of them refers to the upgrades as “attached”. Since we’re talking about an inanimate object here, the applicable meaning we have for “attached” is “physically connected to”. It’s not like the gun has an emotional attachment to the wall.

The picture appears to show the Quad Gun’s base in contact with the wall section behind it. Remember that there’s a control panel on the back of the base which sticks out farther in the middle. The picture certainly is not conclusive evidence that the quad gun’s base doesn’t have to touch the wall.

Of course, the Bastion picture is a genuine issue, but both the Bastion and the Skyshield have major holes in their rules which are as yet not fully patched.