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Yep, that's pretty accurate to how many people act.

There are a lot of sexist donkey-caves out there.

I read that comic as making fun of women who are constantly bragging about how they are female gamers...

 Amaya wrote:
I read that comic as making fun of women who are constantly bragging about how they are female gamers...

Yes, I was insinuating that the comic writer is one of said sexist donkey-caves.

Indeed, I mean, the artist portrayed men as armless hotheads.

How insulting.

Sexism frequently insults both genders. I've had debates with numerous people on this forum about how they were acting as if all men were unintelligent, irrational, rabid sex fiends who couldn't be expected to control themselves, even in disciplined places such as the military...

 Melissia wrote:
Sexism frequently insults both genders. I've had debates with numerous people on this forum about how they were acting as if all men were unintelligent, irrational, rabid sex fiends who couldn't be expected to control themselves, even in disciplined places such as the military...

Considering that some men willingly rape other ones in prison..

I don't think you should underestimate the desire of certain males to put their sausage in a bun.

 Amaya wrote:
Considering that some men willingly rape other ones in prison..

I don't think you should underestimate the desire of certain males to put their sausage in a bun.

There's nymphomaniacs in either gender.

Personally, I blame it more on the cultural atmosphere of American prisons, though, especially after the Stanford Prison Experiment.

It is VERY easy to give in to unethical behavior in a prison setting.

 Amaya wrote:
I read that comic as making fun of women who are constantly bragging about how they are female gamers...

You mean there's another kind?

The majority of female gamers I've known neither bragged about being female or being a gamer.

So evidently there is, you just may be a tad jaded.




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Don't know if I should really count people who exclusively play WoW as gamers though. >.>

People in the past have said that I am like that, because I am a gamer who happens to be female.

During my thousand or so hours of playing TF2, I recieved that accusation many times, because I used feminine pronouns and suffixes to refer to myself (such as jokingly changing my name to "The Immortal God-Empress of Mankind") and asked them to stop refering to me as "he" ("there are no girls on the internet" is thankfully not as popular any more, although it is still in play).

 Amaya wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Sexism frequently insults both genders. I've had debates with numerous people on this forum about how they were acting as if all men were unintelligent, irrational, rabid sex fiends who couldn't be expected to control themselves, even in disciplined places such as the military...

Considering that some men willingly rape other ones in prison..

I don't think you should underestimate the desire of certain males to put their sausage in a bun.

Actually i remember when another person told me to watch 'scared straight' and in one part i remembered the prisoners reading records of women that raped other women in prisons. Women rape people too it's just you never hear about it. It might even happen less but the sad truth is if a man is being beaten by a woman or supposedly being sexually assaulted by one then he'd feel society would laugh at him for even making such a claim. It doesn't matter if the woman is stronger and in fact you'll be made fun of if they are even if they're a boxer or kickboxer. TV and other sources of media as well as society in general perpetuate these sorts of thoughts. It's not men holding down women or women holding down men or even the same sex holding down the same sex but society and their opinions as sort of a mass which hold back the individual. Often times society can make you feel bad for things that they say are wrong when in reality what's right and wrong is an illusion of your mind. I mean you can hurt people and they'll hurt you back but in general my way of doing things is if you hurt people it's generally not acceptable but if not it's usually fine. Of course sometimes you can hurt people without meaning to or by being ignorant to the consequences of what you just did do. Then in some ways of thinking it's totally ok to hurt people to get to the top and to us that's wrong. Meh how is it right for any person to judge another person and their set of rules and perceptions to be wrong or societies judging other societies. I mean maybe a society that developed in different conditions has different rules and morals but it works for them and anybody imposing their rules on another just angers the people with the rules being imposed on. I dunno. This is just what i feel.

On the subject of society it is also the case for women to be asked out by men so i find it odd when guys are doing what guys are expected to do that they'd get insulted for trying to pursue such a thing. Meh maybe i just do it wrong or i'm not great enough looking to get away with it (though i can tell on a good day i'm not a bad looking guy but probably between a 6 or 7 out of 10 in my opinion as far as looks go). I also see people that are pretty getting away with being terrible people because they can (like my roommate who is a dude and cheats on women that are his girlfriend of the time and does it frequently). I suppose the whole women like *ssholes thing seems to forget that generally women like men tend to like pretty people and often times those people can get away with being *ssholes more. Then again maybe it's less pretty people and more people that can get whatever gender sexually that they desire as rich and famous people can do it too. I suppose that makes more sense then.

Also honestly i find it weird whenever a girl/woman is asked to tell a woman's perspective on something. Yeah it's there and yeah it matters and is a bit different but the more you announce these differences the less integrated they can become to whatever group they're trying to be a part of. This is why i don't understand the idea of all girl teams or having a woman's perspective on something. Does anybody give a sh*t to hear a man's perspective or a black man's perspective on say video games? I don't think so. So yeah just ignore some of it and eventually things will adapt to it.

I might be able to feel it as well if you used sentences and paragraphs.

 Amaya wrote:
I might be able to feel it as well if you used sentences and paragraphs.

Spaces between the lines work too.

@melissia: I know you once talked about girls getting more crap on the internet and xbox live but here's the thing. Often the people that are jerks online or any of these places are jerks everywhere or to most people. Maybe a woman touched them wrong or something weird but usually most dudes won't have a problem with just women. I have gotten sh*t thrown at me for being a noob many times. Getting crap for being a woman is just one more thing for people to complain about. Also often times people give much less of a crap unless a woman is pretty and often times she gets attention everywhere anyway. Also if it's in a place like say 'a warhammer forum' and the women are gamers and pretty she'll get more attention due to her rarity of being a pretty girl that is also interested in the same hobby. I also don't mean to be too terrible about it but of all the GW's i've been to there's only been like one or so pretty women that have been there and played or stayed more than 5 seconds there. Maybe that's just the michigan area. The one girl that was pretty was a store employee at another store i never went to and in general i think the problem is often times everybody tries being too nice to said pretty woman in hopes of something most will never get. Honestly it isn't easy for any dude to try to find a war gamer girl i think. It's a contest for scores of dudes to get one decent looking girl with the same interests. So in short things are hard for everybody. The woman probably gets way too much attention good and bad which isn't always sincere when it's good but is when it's bad. The dudes on the other hand have to work for their attention in a place where there are dudes everywhere. Honestly in some forums if i wasn't crazy and at times funny i'd be overtaken and join the waves of sadly unknown members mostly because there are a lot more guys than girls in all the forums i'm a part of. Also if you're a pretty girl in a forum with few girls you get instant popularity without trying and you might not even be that pretty. Meh but whatever.

On the subject of pretty people sometimes they're treated unfairly but some people aren't too happy with them because often they get so much

According to your 'sig' you don't mean to offend and neither do i. I'm sorry if i did but if women are a big part of a place (at least 1/3 of the people) then things will be a little fairer. Men and women are also usually into different things in general. I dunno i've tried being friends with some people in general and we often both like each other but have nothing in common so end up going our separate ways for having nothing to do together. For me that's how i am with women possibly as a guy but it's the case with most of them. If i ever come off not too great with women online i have my reasons but one is that i am attracted to women that like what i like as well as have decent looks. Sadly these women seem to be much rarer and more sought after so i have more to lose than they do.

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I was in the middle of editing a whole lot of crap and just decided turning it into two posts at the ends of both of yours made it seem simpler somehow.

 Amaya wrote:
Considering that some men willingly rape other ones in prison..

I don't think you should underestimate the desire of certain males to put their sausage in a bun.

Prison rape is generally not about sexuality, but about establishing dominance. Ever seen dogs hump other dogs, even dogs of the same gender, even when they've been desexed? They're establishing dominance, showing the pack what the pecking order is.

Notice, for instance, how a group of highschool nerds with zero chance with the ladies don't just start raping each other. This is because there really isn't a thought process in men that goes 'hmm, I can't have sex with a woman, so I'l just start raping nearby men'. Doesn't happen.

But in a situation where there is a constant fear for personal safety, well then you get primitive tribal behaviour.


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 Amaya wrote:
The majority of female gamers I've known neither bragged about being female or being a gamer.

So evidently there is, you just may be a tad jaded.

There's a lot of screwed up and just plain weird gender behaviour in gaming groups (the worst probably being groups that form around one girl as a kind of queen bee), but for the most part things are getting much better. And the complaints about girls constantly going on about being gamers... well the only place I've noticed that is with girls that aren't really gamers, but almost-models who've just targeted geek culture as an easy market. And really, it's the guys who ate that bs up that are to blame.

 Melissia wrote:
The Immortal God-Empress of Mankind

Let's see what the meter says.



Well it is official:

Those nerds you mentioned also have access to HD porn on their laptops. And once you experience the actual thing, the loss of it becomes much more jarring. Sexual pleasure is involved. It may not be the sole cause of course, but it is there. Honestly, you can argue a lot of male on female rape is nothing sexual at all, but about dominance, violence, or vengeance.

It is very complex. This isn't really the place to discuss it. I agree entirely with your second paragraph, but I have seen it used by girls in WoW for in game favors.

Yeah, a number of people will use every advantage they can get.

 Melissia wrote:
People in the past have said that I am like that, because I am a gamer who happens to be female.

During my thousand or so hours of playing TF2, I recieved that accusation many times, because I used feminine pronouns and suffixes to refer to myself (such as jokingly changing my name to "The Immortal God-Empress of Mankind") and asked them to stop refering to me as "he" ("there are no girls on the internet" is thankfully not as popular any more, although it is still in play).

'The Immortal God-Empress of Manking'? Sounds like somebody is going rule 23 here (gender switch i think). Sometimes it disturbs me how you've probably delved into 4chan infinitely more than i have. Maybe that's a reason for all the anger and hatred. Can't say i'd blame you. I mean it feels like all the worst of nerd culture esp. all the horrible aspects of anime and fan fiction ends up there.

I kind of wish more women played games. As i said if nothing else it'd give me more chances to find a girl i like that's interested in the same things. Maybe they're all anonymous in gender. Can't say i can always blame em. I'd rather see a girl into stuff like half-life or command and conquer or duke nukem rather than said the millionth call of duty game (seriously at this point 'modern warfare' may as well have you flying away in an escape mission with jetpacks streaming red, white and blue smoke and killing an entire small to medium sized army with like 2 dudes in a scene that smells so much of hollywood action movies they may as well have michael bay direct the action scenes already). At least we're passed the time of the WWII shooter saturated market. I suppose it's preference. I always prefered cold-war and soviet-esque timelines though i can't say i'm as much a fan of using AK's as i am of seeing them on the enemies i lay low.

It's 63.

Wait... did you just say you want a girl who likes duke nukem...

nomotog wrote:
It's 63.

Wait... did you just say you want a girl who likes duke nukem...

Wow, FKM has only gotten creepier since he was kicked off of IGMB.

I've never played Duke Nukem, but how is that particularly creepy?

Edit: The truth will see you free with laughter.

[edit: taking this to PMs.]

 Amaya wrote:
Those nerds you mentioned also have access to HD porn on their laptops. And once you experience the actual thing, the loss of it becomes much more jarring. Sexual pleasure is involved. It may not be the sole cause of course, but it is there.

You might not have been around before like 1997, but I can assure there was a dark time, before porn, before the internet... and still nerds didn't just flip over to raping their nerd mates.

Honestly, you can argue a lot of male on female rape is nothing sexual at all, but about dominance, violence, or vengeance.

I understand that observation is made a lot by people who study these things.

It is very complex. This isn't really the place to discuss it. I agree entirely with your second paragraph, but I have seen it used by girls in WoW for in game favors.

Sure, flirting for favours happens all the time, no reason to assume it wouldn't happen in games.

 sebster wrote:
You might not have been around before like 1997, but I can assure there was a dark time, before porn, before the internet... and still nerds didn't just flip over to raping their nerd mates.

Maybe you didn't. Don't speak for all of us.

 Amaya wrote:
I've never played Duke Nukem, but how is that particularly creepy?

Edit: The truth will see you free with laughter.

I don't get it :/


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 Ahtman wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
The Immortal God-Empress of Mankind

Let's see what the meter says.



Well it is official:

Let's up the ante:




Anyway, on topic: I do not like this idea. It looks silly to me. Stats should depend on class, and not gender. I'm sure a guy mage would be weaker than a warrior woman.

Humanized MLP as 40k! Ah! Kill it with fire!

Might as well get back on topic. Not only is the idea sexiest, It's also a little pointless. I already find that players follow this theme by themselves.

No, no bronyisms. No.

Ironically you might be able to justify a mage of any type being physically stronger than a warrior.

Real life example, if you see a huge, ripped soldier he's probably a POG and actually has time to go to the gym and train. Infantrymen are rarely physically impressive speciments. If anything there is a serious upper limit on the importance of raw strength as a melee fighter. Your heaviest sword is going to top out at around 10lbs, which isn't much at all. Endurance, grip strength, agility and skill will be much more important than raw strength. Especially since some weapons are actually absurdly sharp (such as Obsidian) and will cut through flesh effortlessly.