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In the BRB it says vehicles can't take invulnerable saves, yet the helldrake gets one from the daemon rule. What would be the point of giving the drake the daemon rule if you can't utilize the save? Thanks in advance.....

cuz its a deamon with armour? We are talking about chaos here, this isnt old news many of their stuff got that and allways been a part of their army wich makes em unique and cool.

It's still a vehicle. Is this the exception to the rule?

 Hand of Dume wrote:
It's still a vehicle. Is this the exception to the rule?

its written in the codex for the CSM so yes.

Where is this rule? There's no such thing.

Now, vehicles are only given instructions on how to take Cover Saves, but with the myriad vehicles being given Invulnerables (without guidance on how to take them) as well it's assumed they are taken in the same way.

Chrysis wrote:
Where is this rule? There's no such thing.

Now, vehicles are only given instructions on how to take Cover Saves, but with the myriad vehicles being given Invulnerables (without guidance on how to take them) as well it's assumed they are taken in the same way.

also that. DA for example can uppgrade their landraiders to have a 4up invul.

you can have veichles ontop of a skyshield landing pad to benefitt of its invul save.

Also, almost every Dark Eldar vehicle has the option to add an invuln save. Where is the rule that says vehicles can't take invuln saves?

The whole "vehicles can't use invuls" is an argument leftover from 5th that I had no idea was still around in 6th.

Regardless, it is generally agreed that vehicles with invulnerable saves get to use them; trying to argue the contrary in a friendly game won't make you any friends, and in a competative game I can't think of any tournament organiser who will not rule against you.

I have the drakes and was told they are denied.

They used page 17 BRB. Invulnerable saves are taken when a model takes wounds. Vehicles have no wounds.

I thought it BS.... but rolled with it.

There is no specific rule that allows vehicles to take invulnerable save.
Bjorn has permission to take an Invuln save against any Glancing or Penntrating hits.
DEldar vehicles with Flickerfields have permission to take Invuln saves against being immobilised from dangerous terrain.

For more information check this thread.

So if a heldrake gets an invul save, does that mean I could use the divination power to give a vehicle a 4+ invul if its within 12" of the psyker?
LOL

KonTheory wrote:
So if a heldrake gets an invul save, does that mean I could use the divination power to give a vehicle a 4+ invul if its within 12" of the psyker?
LOL

....check psykic power rules again, and the hellturkey gets due being a deamon.

 Hand of Dume wrote:
I have the drakes and was told they are denied.

They used page 17 BRB. Invulnerable saves are taken when a model takes wounds. Vehicles have no wounds.

I thought it BS.... but rolled with it.

If your opponents are trying stuff like this then it's usually a sign that you need to try and find better people to game with.

Vehicles (other than Bjorn) not being allowed to take invul saves is something GW keep neglecting to FAQ (either as a rulebook FAQ to say they can be taken, or as codex specific FAQs addressing the individual models saying they cannot) but is something people will usually ignore in games (I.E. they will let you take your invul).

Someone not allowing you to use your drake's invul smacks of someone who may not just want to win, but may simply want you to lose, since such actions can usually set precedent within gaming groups. If it happens again then you don't really have much you can do except see what your group thinks (don't forget to bring up the myriad other vehicles that have or can have invulnerable saves) or pack up and find another game/leave.

i always found it weird that this was an issue at all. In the futuristic world of the 41st millenium, wouldnt you think that the vehicles would have some incredible shielding that can potentially negate any type of weapon? Least the bigger vehicles i doubt my Trukks would have that lol.