Stubenville rape case comes to an end

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**Relapse**

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:
Hlaine Larkin mk2 wrote:
MrDwhitey wrote:
Well, if only I didn't expect this:

Spoiler:

That makes me sick to my stomach, how you can defend rapists by saying she wanted it or saying it was what most guys would do shows a complete lack of understanding what happened

Not to single you out, as this is addressed to everyone across the board who responds like this to outrageous babblings on twitter or wherever: how do people in this day and age not understand what trolls are? When someone makes such egregious statements as we see in this image, they're either children who don't know any better or raving lunatics, and in neither case should be acknowledged, or else they're just being outrageous because they think it's funny, and so shouldn't be engaged. The gibberings of trolls aren't indicative of society, nor any widespread problem therein, just fringe outliers and people being facetious.

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Fifty wrote:
1) What these guys did was reprehensible, no matter what.
2) If they had woken up sober the next day full of shame for their actions and tried to make amends, they'd need a punishment, and support to try and put their own lives back together.
3) If they had woken up sober and panicked and tried to hide what they did, they'd need punishment, education to make them realise the full enormity of their crime, and support to try and put their own lives back together.
4) As they actually woke up and bragged about it, what they need is punishment as a deterrent to others. Their own morals are clearly too loose to be able to refrain from such behaviour from the goodness of their own hearts in future, so what they need is such a serious punishment that they'll be afraid to ever do it again, and that will act as a deterrent to other similarly minded young men.

...

There are two sides to the coin. Women do seduce men, then make false accusations. Sometimes the women were drunk at the time. Being drunk is no excuse for raping, but it is also no excuse for giving consent. Now, a sober, decent man will know that the woman would regret it, and not sleep with her, but a drunk, desperate or unpleasant man might take the opportunity. If a woman is drunk and says "no" or is drunk and incapable of giving an answer, or incapable or even knowing what is happening, it is rape. But if a woman gets a bit tipsy and seduces someone she wouldn't normally, it is no more rape than if a guy gets drunk and shags the fat ugly girl. It is a mistake, but it is her mistake, not the guy's.

Basically, this is an emotive issue which stirs up strong feelings on both sides of the argument. Each case is different. Getting drunk does not mean you have given up your right to safety and decent treatment from others. Drinking does excuse doing something stupid, embarrassing or silly, such as sleeping with someone you wouldn't normally, but it does not excuse doing something vile, depraved or sadistic, such as forcing yourself on someone or accusing someone else of doing that later. Sadly, there are arseholes in the world who will do bad stuff, sober or drunk. There is no excuse.

Exalted.

While in general accusations of "rape," especially when alcohol is involved, need to be taken with a grain of salt, and when the events are murky and evidence lacking doubt and caution should rule over emotional impulses, but when the degenerate animals film themselves raping an unconscious girl, and proceed to go on to brag and laugh about it, then they should be put down like the rabid animals they are. Giving them a trivial prison sentence and permanently ruining their lives with the conviction and the media storm does nothing but produce a wretched, marginalized animal that's no less defective and dangerous than it was to begin with.

I'll just exalt you and Fifty right here.

**Bromsy**

Well, thankfully we've entered an age where criminals of all stripe are so stupid and hooked on facebook that they will document their own crimes for laughs later. I mean, 20 years ago this wouldn't have been a case - just he say/she says with everyone in town on the athletes sides.

**KalashnikovMarine**

That is an excellent point!

**Fifty**

Another interesting story...

http://gawker.com/5991175/this-two+year+old-onion-story-perfectly-predicted-cnns-shocking-steubenville-rape-trial-coverage

**Dreadclaw69**

KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Another link to the entire CNN bit: http://www.upworthy.com/cnn-pays-touching-tribute-to-the-rapists-who-attacked-a-16-year-old-girl

Absolutely disgusting.

I made it all the way to 1.30 before closing the link. That coverage was just pathetic.

**kronk**

They may only get one year, but this will follow them for the rest of their lives. They'll have to put sex offender on every job application they ever fill out. As a hiring manager, let me tell you how "happy" things like that make me to see on an application. They'll have to register with every state they move to. These guys are boned, and deservedly so.

**Dreadclaw69**

kronk wrote:
They'll have to put sex offender on every job application they ever fill out. As a hiring manager, let me tell you how "happy" things like that make me to see on an application.

Because it means one less application to consider?

**Frazzled**

kronk wrote:
They may only get one year, but this will follow them for the rest of their lives. They'll have to put sex offender on every job application they ever fill out. As a hiring manager, let me tell you how "happy" things like that make me to see on an application. They'll have to register with every state they move to. These guys are boned, and deservedly so.

If you followed Frazzled's advice and shoot them in the head, they would be spared this suffering.

**kronk**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
kronk wrote:
They'll have to put sex offender on every job application they ever fill out. As a hiring manager, let me tell you how "happy" things like that make me to see on an application.

Because it means one less application to consider?

Pretty much. I'm no longer in that role, though.

**Dreadclaw69**

Frazzled wrote:
If you followed Frazzled's advice and shoot them in the head, they would be spared this suffering.

But given the media's sympathetic coverage they'd become martyrs in the anti-gun debate

**Relapse**

kronk wrote:
They may only get one year, but this will follow them for the rest of their lives. They'll have to put sex offender on every job application they ever fill out. As a hiring manager, let me tell you how "happy" things like that make me to see on an application. They'll have to register with every state they move to. These guys are boned, and deservedly so.

One can hope.
To my knowledge of similar cases, though, since they were convicted as juveniles their records get sealed and they pretty much can carry on as though nothing happened as far as the law is concerned. Of course two such sterling characters will immediatly become pillars of the community and won't ever get into legal trouble again...not.

**kronk**

Relapse wrote:

To my knowledge of similar cases, though, since they were convicted as juveniles their records get sealed and they pretty much can carry on as though nothing happened as far as the law is concerned.

Hadn't thought of that, Relapse.

Do they still have to register as Sex Offenders?

**Alfndrate**

From: http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/steubenville-high-school-football-players-found-guilty-rape-16-year-old-judge-article-1.1291087

Mays and Richmond will be credited for the time they had served before the trial. Their status as registered sex offenders will be determined by the court after their sentences are served, the judge said.

So they are getting basically a year off of the possibility of their sentence for time served, but they still have the chance of being in prison till 21/24 (depending on the person).

**hotsauceman1**

Still, Dont most employers do a google search for applicants? To make sure they dont do stupid stuff? Heck, isnt there software that does that? That searches their information?

**LordofHats**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
Still, Dont most employers do a google search for applicants? To make sure they dont do stupid stuff? Heck, isnt there software that does that? That searches their information?

IDK about google, but a lot of applications I fill out ask if I give permission to see my Facebook (I don't have one though unfortunately there is a fat guy with poor hygine with my same name on Facebook). I see lot's of 'I give permission for a background check' questions too.

These two are screwed forever most likely. Their names have been plastered everywhere so there is no escaping it. Yep. They're doomed to mediocrity. Probably.

**Alfndrate**

LordofHats wrote:
These two are screwed forever most likely. Their names have been plastered everywhere so there is no escaping it. Yep. They're doomed to mediocrity. Probably.

While not tactfully done in the CNN report, that's the "promising life" those two idiots ruined for themselves in addition to the life of a girl they damaged (hard to say if her life is ruined since she still has life to live, but it's certainly in shambles atm)

**hotsauceman1**

I pray that she will be able to put this behind her.

**LordofHats**

Alfndrate wrote:
While not tactfully done in the CNN report, that's the "promising life" those two idiots ruined for themselves in addition to the life of a girl they damaged (hard to say if her life is ruined since she still has life to live, but it's certainly in shambles atm)

CNN without tact? My god, it's like no one has watched CNN before

Her life probably isn't ruined (at least not in the same sense their lives are). They'll get out eventually and probably find some mediocre jobs as janitors or something. Mediocre yes, but a sense of normalcy will probably find them again. The victim might not find normalcy ever again. Not without some serious help from friends, family, and maybe a therapist or two. So she has a different kind of ruined to deal with.

**Frazzled**

LordofHats wrote:
hotsauceman1 wrote:
Still, Dont most employers do a google search for applicants? To make sure they dont do stupid stuff? Heck, isnt there software that does that? That searches their information?

IDK about google, but a lot of applications I fill out ask if I give permission to see my Facebook (I don't have one though unfortunately there is a fat guy with poor hygine with my same name on Facebook). I see lot's of 'I give permission for a background check' questions too.

These two are screwed forever most likely. Their names have been plastered everywhere so there is no escaping it. Yep. They're doomed to mediocrity. Probably.

Employer: do you have a facebook account?
Frazzled: no but one of my dogs does.
E: can I see it?
F: depends
E:?
F: do you have cats?
E: ?
F: he hates cats.
E:?
F: they will be extinguished in the new order.
E:...
F: he told me.
E:er...
F: he is the harbinger of the coming of the Great Wienie
E: security
F: I am his herald.
E..SECURITY!
F: would you like a pamphlet?

**kronk**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
Still, Dont most employers do a google search for applicants? To make sure they dont do stupid stuff? Heck, isnt there software that does that? That searches their information?

No. Surprisingly little would show up that wouldn't come up on their background check.

**Alfndrate**

hotsauceman1 wrote:
I pray that she will be able to put this behind her.

Agreed.

**Vulcan**

Relapse wrote:
The whole case makes me sick or anytime someone gets treated the way that girl did. The crowning item to this whole deal is the fact that everyone at the party who knew about it was laughing up a storm. Worthless feths, the lot.

The lot of them should ALL be tried for conspiracy to commit a felony.

Fortunately, the DA involved has said that the case is not over and more charges may be filed against others for their parts in this disgrace. Along with the arrests recently made when local girls threatened to do bodily harm to the victim.

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Frazzled wrote:
kronk wrote:
They may only get one year, but this will follow them for the rest of their lives. They'll have to put sex offender on every job application they ever fill out. As a hiring manager, let me tell you how "happy" things like that make me to see on an application. They'll have to register with every state they move to. These guys are boned, and deservedly so.

If you followed Frazzled's advice and shoot them in the head, they would be spared this suffering.

We may not agree on much, Frazz, but on this one I'm right there with you.

If you act like an animal and attack a human being, we put you down like an animal that attacked a human being. Simple as that.

**LordofHats**

A lot of the witness' refused to testify until they were given immunity. That said, I'm not sure their utter stupidity qualifies as criminal. A moral failing yes, but under the law I'm unsure anything can be done.

**KalashnikovMarine**

LordofHats wrote:
A lot of the witness' refused to testify until they were given immunity. That said, I'm not sure their utter stupidity qualifies as criminal. A moral failing yes, but under the law I'm unsure anything can be done.

Accessory to Rape? If they got the photo or video, or spread the same around they could be hit with the second charge one of the two rapists got as well potentially....

**azazel the cat**

kronk wrote:Do they still have to register as Sex Offenders?

I believe so, yes. I seem to recall reading about a strange case where a 16 year old kid was arrested and charged with the statutory rape of his 15 year old girlfriend, and was placed on a sex offender registry. I don't remember how it turned out or what state it was in, though.

**dogma**

LordofHats wrote:
A lot of the witness' refused to testify until they were given immunity. That said, I'm not sure their utter stupidity qualifies as criminal. A moral failing yes, but under the law I'm unsure anything can be done.

Is it a moral failure to refuse to place yourself in jeopardy?

**LordofHats**

KalashnikovMarine wrote:
LordofHats wrote:
A lot of the witness' refused to testify until they were given immunity. That said, I'm not sure their utter stupidity qualifies as criminal. A moral failing yes, but under the law I'm unsure anything can be done.

Accessory to Rape? If they got the photo or video, or spread the same around they could be hit with the second charge one of the two rapists got as well potentially....

I think to be an accessory you actually have to help. They didn't really help they just didn't stop it. Maybe someone else knows more but I'm not sure that's a crime.

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dogma wrote:
LordofHats wrote:
A lot of the witness' refused to testify until they were given immunity. That said, I'm not sure their utter stupidity qualifies as criminal. A moral failing yes, but under the law I'm unsure anything can be done.

Is it a moral failure to refuse to place yourself in jeopardy?

I mean a moral failure that they either ignored the rape when they saw it, or were too stupid to realize what was happening.

**KalashnikovMarine**

LordofHats wrote:
KalashnikovMarine wrote:
LordofHats wrote:
A lot of the witness' refused to testify until they were given immunity. That said, I'm not sure their utter stupidity qualifies as criminal. A moral failing yes, but under the law I'm unsure anything can be done.

Accessory to Rape? If they got the photo or video, or spread the same around they could be hit with the second charge one of the two rapists got as well potentially....

I think to be an accessory you actually have to help. They didn't really help they just didn't stop it. Maybe someone else knows more but I'm not sure that's a crime.

.

I seem to recall people being charged as an accessory to murder for knowing about it and not reporting it at the very least.

**LordofHats**

Well there's the Kitty Genovese, but I don't think those people ever got prosecuted which is what all the stink in the case was about.

**Alfndrate**

azazel the cat wrote:
kronk wrote:Do they still have to register as Sex Offenders?

I believe so, yes. I seem to recall reading about a strange case where a 16 year old kid was arrested and charged with the statutory rape of his 15 year old girlfriend, and was placed on a sex offender registry. I don't remember how it turned out or what state it was in, though.

It hasn't been decided if they're going to have to register as sex offenders, but signs are pointing to yes.