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BRB, page 111, warlord traits: Night Attacker "you can choose to use the Night Fighting rules in your game." (can choose whether or not to use night fighting as I read it)
"If you do, there is no need to roll - it is Night for the first turn." (So if I choose not to use night fighting, I still have to roll for it? or wouldn't it automatically not be night if I chose not to attack at night?)

You can choose to use the Night Fighting rules.

If you do choose to use the Night Fighting rules then there is no need to roll.

If you do not choose to use the Night Fighting rules then you roll as normal.

The Night Attacker trait allows you to choose whether or not the Night Fighting rules get used in your game.

If you choose to USE them, then it is automatically Night Fighting first turn.

If you choose NOT to use them, then Night Fighting rules are not in effect, and they do not get rolled for.

So, unless I'm reading this wrong, then a Night Attacker general can never wind up fighting a game where it ends up being Night Fighting at the end of the game.

Good luck, and I hope this helps.

 Jimsolo wrote:
If you choose NOT to use them, then Night Fighting rules are not in effect, and they do not get rolled for.

This isn't true. The wording very specifically tells you that you can choose to use them, but there are no changes for if you don't choose to use it. As such, normal rules would be in effect - which would be that you roll for it.
Otherwise this would screw over an Imotekh Necron army, or any other forthcoming rules or missions that enforce Night Fighting.

Yup. Night Attacker is called Night Attacker because it gives you the ability to automatically make the first turn NF. It gives no ability to guarantee that the first turn WON'T be NF. It's not called 'Any Time of Day I Like Attacker".

And remember, if you choose to attack at Night it is only Night Fighting for the first player turn, not game turn.

 Happyjew wrote:
And remember, if you choose to attack at Night it is only Night Fighting for the first player turn, not game turn.

Although, that is strictly true RAW, personally I would make the assumption that the Night Attacker trait is supposed to refer to 'Game Turn'. Hopefully it will be clarified in a future FAQ.

Is yukondal's quote incorrect, then? If you choose not to use the Night Fighting rules, how can the Night Fighting rules still get used? I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just confused.

 Jimsolo wrote:
Is yukondal's quote incorrect, then? If you choose not to use the Night Fighting rules, how can the Night Fighting rules still get used? I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just confused.

The rule allows you to choose to enact the NF rules not total control over the NF for the game.

In other words, you get the option to use NF, if you choose not to use it, that still does not negate the basic game rules to roll for it.

Honestly if my opponent, got this trait, and I went first, I would roll for NF to see if it goes off for the whole game turn not just my turn one.


The trait does not stop the other player form rolling to see if NF goes into effect for the whole game turn.

I've loaned my BRB out to a friend for the week, so I can't look it up at the moment. I'm guessing there's more to it that what's been quoted, then. Thanks!

Dra'al Nacht wrote:

 Happyjew wrote:
And remember, if you choose to attack at Night it is only Night Fighting for the first player turn, not game turn.

Although, that is strictly true RAW, personally I would make the assumption that the Night Attacker trait is supposed to refer to 'Game Turn'. Hopefully it will be clarified in a future FAQ.

I actually don't think so.

The point of the Traits is to give your Warlord a bonus of some kind.

If what you say is true, the this trait would apply to both armies and not be a benefit to that Warlord.

Just my .02 cents anyway.


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 Jimsolo wrote:
I've loaned my BRB out to a friend for the week, so I can't look it up at the moment. I'm guessing there's more to it that what's been quoted, then. Thanks!

for your consideration:

BRB page 111 wrote:
Night Attacker
You can choose to use the Night Fighting rules in your game. If you do, there is no need to roll - it is Night for the first turn.

Indeed, and the night fighting rules (which you reference from Night Attacker) state "game turn 1".

Thank you! I appreciate the help.

So, if "you can choose to use the Night Fighting rules in your game," then it seems to indicate that the alternative is NOT using them. It seems to follow that if you've chosen to not use the Night Fighting rules, then no part of the Night Fighting rules would get used.

(Sorry if I'm just being thick about this, it's just got me thrown for a loop. Thanks for discussing it without being a dingus! )

You can choose to use night fighting and not roll for it, but if you opt not to use your trait then that doesn't stop the chance it is night fighting anyway. You don't get to choose to take away mission rules, you simply get to choose to forgo the roll for Night Fighting to automatically put it in play game turn 1.

For precedent, here's another example of a rule that works in a similar way... Our Weapons Are Useless (page 26). You can choose to automatically fail a Morale test for close combat if you meet the criteria. This doesn't mean that, if you choose not to automatically fail it, that you automatically pass instead...!!

I guess it seems different to me, because the Night Attacker rule doesn't say "You can choose whether or not it is night on the first turn," it says you can choose whether or not to use the rule AT ALL. I just think that if you choose NOT to use a rule, then the rule would not be used.

I guess I won't bring this up in a game, since I seem to be the last man on earth on this one. Apparently I'm just not picking up on what everyone else is.

 Jimsolo wrote:
I guess it seems different to me, because the Night Attacker rule doesn't say "You can choose whether or not it is night on the first turn," it says you can choose whether or not to use the rule AT ALL. I just think that if you choose NOT to use a rule, then the rule would not be used.

I guess I won't bring this up in a game, since I seem to be the last man on earth on this one. Apparently I'm just not picking up on what everyone else is.

Well look at it this way.

Lets say you are going second.
Your opponent rolls for NF and gets a 2. You can choose to make it NF for the first turn and let your opponent deal with you getting cover saves your units.
Then on your turn you are free to shoot without NF.

It can be a good tactic.

Well.. This escalated quickly...

Maybe we'll make it a house rule that if you get the Night Attacker trait, you get to re roll.

Is yukondal's quote incorrect, then? If you choose not to use the Night Fighting rules, how can the Night Fighting rules still get used? I'm not trying to be argumentative, I'm just confused.

My quotes from the book are correct, yes.

Yup. Night Attacker is called Night Attacker because it gives you the ability to automatically make the first turn NF. It gives no ability to guarantee that the first turn WON'T be NF. It's not called 'Any Time of Day I Like Attacker".

I would assume if one has the ability to attack at night, that they would have the ability to also wait until it was day.

Although, If it basically means that if you go second you can say that it is only night for your opponents first turn, and not yours, then that sounds like a good perk to me.

Thank you for the input so far.

It says you can choose to use the night fighting rules instead of rolling for it, it doesn't say you can choose to not use the night fighting rules.