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It may be daft but the crux of the issue I'm having is can you fire Gauss weaponry at a tank even though it doesnt have the strength in the first place to penetrate its armour?

I've played a few games and to me it's a case of, if you don't have a strong enough weapon to force an Armour Penetration roll then you shouldn't roll for AP, whereas the Necron Codex states that Gauss Weaponry inflicts a glancing hit on a roll of a six on AP rolls. Basically a strength 4 weapon with Gauss can kill a Land Raider effectively by rolling 6's even though to my mind you should only be rolling for AP against a Land Raider if you have a weapon strong enough to at least equal the armour value; I.e 8 or more.

So should a Necron Gauss weapon get an AP roll even if the strength wouldn't be enough to harm a tank in the first place?

I'm sorry if I haven't worded it well I have tried

Thanks for any help

I can see what you're getting at but by the same token, I can't imagine any reason why GW would include this rule on Gauss if that's not how it was meant to be played.

 Garviel wrote:
It may be daft but the crux of the issue I'm having is can you fire Gauss weaponry at a tank even though it doesnt have the strength in the first place to penetrate its armour?

I've played a few games and to me it's a case of, if you don't have a strong enough weapon to force an Armour Penetration roll then you shouldn't roll for AP, whereas the Necron Codex states that Gauss Weaponry inflicts a glancing hit on a roll of a six on AP rolls. Basically a strength 4 weapon with Gauss can kill a Land Raider effectively by rolling 6's even though to my mind you should only be rolling for AP against a Land Raider if you have a weapon strong enough to at least equal the armour value; I.e 8 or more.

So should a Necron Gauss weapon get an AP roll even if the strength wouldn't be enough to harm a tank in the first place?

I'm sorry if I haven't worded it well I have tried

Thanks for any help

Yes you can. You can always fire a weapon at something you can't hurt, just normally it's pointless. WIth gauss however, it is NOT pointless because you CAN hurt it regardless of strength.

You answered your own question. Can Gauss weapons on a roll of 6 glance any AV? Yes. Can they subtract hull points from any vehicle then? Yes.

Games I've seen in the past have allowed it. Seen a land raider die to a squad of warriors.

Yes, there is nothing preventing you from selecting a target that the normal strength of the weapon cannot effect. As noted already the gauss USR would be fairly useless if there 'was' such a rule, since it's only current purpose is to automatically glance a vehicle when a six is rolled on the penetration di(c)e.

That was quick lol.

Thanks guys it's nice to know. I'm well and truly sick of necrons

I'd suggest visiting the tactics board and posting some of your army specifics; there are lots of folk there who'd be happy to give you some tips on combatting the mechanical menace.

It's a great tactic drop 20 dude via deep strike within 12 inches having already given them tank hunter from zhandrak (sp) and not only do you get to glance on 6's for every non 6 you get to reroll it. Lol watch the land raider cry.

How much you wanna bet they put that rule in there so that the necrons dont really have to get a 6th ed update

GW would never release a new book with just faq/errata updates done to it............

 Neorealist wrote:
Yes, there is nothing preventing you from selecting a target that the normal strength of the weapon cannot effect.

Same goes for Haywire grenades. The "standard" type have S2 in the BRB - if you couldn't attack a vehicle with them the Haywire rule would be totally pointless.

They are Necrons, that's what they do? Wanna know the best way not get your tanks killed by them? Don't take any! Or if you do, don't take anything with less than 36" range, let them get into range, and back up!


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They are Necrons, that's what they do? Wanna know the best way not get your tanks killed by them? Don't take any! Or if you do, don't take anything with less than 36" range, let them get into range, and back up!

Wolfnid420 wrote:
How much you wanna bet they put that rule in there so that the necrons dont really have to get a 6th ed update

Given how close to 6th it was released, why would they really need one?

They should put out a reprint though, at the least. Add in the AP values of melee weapons, remove deep strike from vehicles, maybe clear up some of the clunky rules that people seem to still have issues understanding (I'm looking at you, royal courts).

Kevin949 wrote:They should put out a reprint though, at the least. Add in the AP values of melee weapons, remove deep strike from vehicles, maybe clear up some of the clunky rules that people seem to still have issues understanding (I'm looking at you, royal courts).

The rules for Royal Courts are very clear. The only issues with those either fell into the category of people being willfully obtuse because they don't like Necrons, or else didn't actually read the codex and just worked off of the general sense of how it should work.

 azazel the cat wrote:

Kevin949 wrote:They should put out a reprint though, at the least. Add in the AP values of melee weapons, remove deep strike from vehicles, maybe clear up some of the clunky rules that people seem to still have issues understanding (I'm looking at you, royal courts).

The rules for Royal Courts are very clear. The only issues with those either fell into the category of people being willfully obtuse because they don't like Necrons, or else didn't actually read the codex and just worked off of the general sense of how it should work.

Hey, *I* understand the royal court rules. I was always flabbergasted by the amount of people that didn't understand it. But, I can also see why they would have been confused, pre-FAQ. I'm simply saying a reprint codex with the FAQ answers integrated into the actual codex (and not just as an addendum FAQ section) would be great, but it won't happen.

Wolfnid420 wrote:
How much you wanna bet they put that rule in there so that the necrons dont really have to get a 6th ed update

Gauss glancing on 6s? They've had that since 3rd.

Yarp. The only difference has been how glances have been handled in the core rules from edition to edition.