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... I'm thinking it would basically be the baddest ass planet in the galaxy.

Yes, I know everything on Catachan tries to kill you, the continents of Fenris constantly break apart, Cadia contains the entire Eye, etc., etc., etc. BUT the WHFB planet has suffered continuous daemonic incursion for thousands of years, including all the "fallout" (Winds of Magic, Warpstone, mutation) that goes along with that.

Think about that -- you've got normal humans fighting daemons and the equivalent of CSM with what boils down to pointy sticks. Forget about conscripting them into IG regiments, the Empire's state troops would make good SM! And then there are the Knights of Bretonnia, who are pretty much already SM minus standing 9 feet tall or whatever SM are up to these days.

I think it can be a part of the 40k. Honestly the only reasons for me to not mentioning that it likely is a part of the thingy is that I don't want to taste the fist of a WHFB-fanatic.

This sounds cool, having WHFB themed guardsmen or Bretonnian themed C:SM bike armies would be awesome, and present some new fluff things for WHFB.

Sigmar was one of the lost Primarchs, the other one traveled back in time and became Vin Diesel.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Sigmar was one of the lost Primarchs

I can imagine why GW nixed this but I do really, really like the idea.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Honestly the only reasons for me to not mentioning that it likely is a part of the thingy

GW has, IIRC, declared they are not related settings.

 ace101 wrote:
Bretonnian themed C:SM bike armies would be awesome

If the Lady in the Lake turned out to be the Emperor ( ) then Bretonnians would pretty much be GK.

Wasn't that not related timeline? Maybe I'm remembering wrongly but I think they said the timelines ain't any longer matching.

 Manchu wrote:
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 Beaviz81 wrote:
Honestly the only reasons for me to not mentioning that it likely is a part of the thingy

GW has, IIRC, declared they are not related settings.

This was all put forward as truth in Realm of Chaos, the warhammer world was indeed located in the eye of terror.

Then they woke up from the party, realized what a terrible idea it was and put a bullet in it officially.

 Beaviz81 wrote:
Wasn't that not related timeline? Maybe I'm remembering wrongly but I think they said the timelines ain't any longer matching.

I'm not sure what you are asking but I believe GW declared that WHFB and 40k are two separate settings with only incidental overlaps (Chaos).

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Then they woke up from the party, realized what a terrible idea it was and put a bullet in it officially.

It was an awesome idea -- but you're right in a night before rather than morning after sense.

Anyway, all I'm saying is -- if that WHFB planet did exist in 40k, it would be the baddest of all badass planets.

i think it would take about 5 minutes for the IOM, if they found the planet, to declare Exterminatus and wipe it from the galaxy.

I don't. I think they'd leave well enough alone other than to start kidnapping people to turn into Space Marines and seeding a few Sabines to convince the locals that Sigmar and the Lady of the Lake are both aspects of the Emperor (or maybe Saint Dominica in the Lady's case).

It depends on who got there first. A SM Chapter would abduct likely candidates but leave otherwise well enough alone to preserve their training ground. Declaring Exterminatus would be the work of seconds, however, for certain flavors of Inquisitors in this case.

Bretonnian SM bikers that would be something to see. I can even see a SM chapter declaring a crusade against the WHFB planet in order to turn it into a recruiting planet.

It was the timelines if memory serves. Not the settings. Hm that's how I remember it.

Timelines not setting? What do you mean?

 Manchu wrote:
And then there are the Knights of Bretonnia, who are pretty much already SM minus standing 9 feet tall or whatever SM are up to these days.

I really don't get this. I mean I just don't see it, My pony men most certainly know fear, and they have very distinctly human stat lines. Not to mention that Space Marines are a shooting army and the whole idea of that is repulsive to the knights.

Where are people making this connection?
- Strength, toughness and initiative 3 are not super human in the least, but that is what we get on our basic troops.
- No elite ranged options at all.
- We have slightly above average leadership, but we most certainly know fear, and have all the same mechanics for boosting leadership as everybody else (inspiring presence, bsb, etc)
- We don't have access to the most elite troops in the game. Sure Grail Knights are bad ass, but they don't really hold a candle to things like Mournfangs, Blood Knights, or even Chaos Knights who just simply have better stats and gear. As compared to Space Marines who have THSS terminators which are a match for literally everything.

Is it just because we have humans in Armour and our armies tend to be more focused on expensive elite troops, but then that completely ignores that if you look at most Bretonnian armies there are in fact more peasant models than knight models... In my 2K list I have 29 Knight Models (9 KotR, 9 KE, 6 QK, 3 PK, and 2 L/H), and 64 Peasants (35 M@A, 20 PB, 5 MY, and 4 Treb crew)

Paladins have nothing on Aenarion. Psh, fighting a Greater Daemon armed with nothing but the Daemon's True Name (aka self-destruct button), try taking on one of each kind at once while wielding a cursed sword.

Its an Imperial world with two major PDF absolutely wrecking faces.

 Manchu wrote:
Timelines not setting? What do you mean?

I mean I read it was timeline. The WHFB-setting was the precursor to WH40k. That was the thing rebuked if I remember correctly.

@Beaviz: WHFB and 40k currently have nothing to do with each other, timeline-wise or setting-wise, except they both have the concept of Chaos generally and the Four specifically.


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 akaean wrote:
I really don't get this. I mean I just don't see it

Bretonnians are knights, SM are knights in SPAAAACE! SM are shootier than Bretonnians because they are sci fi.

I know the timeline-thingy, and as mentioned I rely on my memory which might or might not be correct.

If you mean that the game of Warhammer Fantasy existed before the game Warhammer 40,000, then you are correct.

Yeah, and also that 40k WHFB once were in the same timeverse. I see no hindering that the WHFB-world shouldn't be in 40k, as the Old Ones also is a link between them.

The trouble is with product development. Linking them means that certain things, like the magic for example, have to work the same way in both settings. Sci Fi tropes and Fantasy tropes aren't really equivalent so the idea ends up having more potential to restrict than expand.

If the Imperium ever came across it, they'd exterminatus that bitch. Chaos/xenos/mutant infestations everywhere.

I thought Space Marines were hybrid Roman legion/Knightly orders in space.

The Ultramarines aesthetic just screams WE ARE CAESER'S OWN!

Agreed on UM but can't think of non-successors who do the Roman thing. Lots of them seem to do the knightly thing, however, which UM also do to some extent.

 Manchu wrote:
The trouble is with product development. Linking them means that certain things, like the magic for example, have to work the same way in both settings. Sci Fi tropes and Fantasy tropes aren't really equivalent so the idea ends up having more potential to restrict than expand.

Maybe, but the origin of the core history is the same (the fall of the Old Ones, the rise of Chaos). Mind you you opened this bag of worms.

All the Chapter codices follow a organizational structure and rank system very similar to that of the Legions.

Except where they don't; like, for example, having successive ranks of knightly orders.

 Manchu wrote:
Except where they don't; like, for example, having successive ranks of knightly orders.

The Space Marines can be compared to the knightly orders. You have earlier done the leap, and the Black Templars screams Knight Templars.