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 edweird wrote:
Snip.

IF it is that, I would be kinda surprised. What happned that cause GW to go from 3 codexes a year with intermittent releases to 3 in four months?

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
Wouldnt surprise me at this point, considering how poorly GW is handling their products lately. But hey, the company in charge of my hobby is embarrassingly gakky and my money would be better spent supporting a more competent business.

Here's hoping they pull their heads out of their asses and keep me (and a million other paying customers) in the game.

I gave up on them. Almost got into 40k with a buddy of mine. I was going to do Tau, got excited to find out they were getting updated. Only problem was every time I read something about the mechanics of the game I couldnt help thinking "that sounds dumb, what a slowed unbalanced deal that is, this game doesnt sound fun at all". After having that thought recur several dozen times, and my friend agreeing, we went with Warmachine.

We both love the fluff and the minis...but a crappy game is a crappy game. The rules are what makes a game fun or not...and GWs rules are not fun.

 edweird wrote:
Snip.

So, your 'prediction' is 40K will be completely updated in one year. And GW is abandoning Fantasy and The Hobbit. Yeah, I can see that...

One lucky guess and two forgone conclusions does not a seer make.

 Mad4Minis wrote:

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
Wouldnt surprise me at this point, considering how poorly GW is handling their products lately. But hey, the company in charge of my hobby is embarrassingly gakky and my money would be better spent supporting a more competent business.

Here's hoping they pull their heads out of their asses and keep me (and a million other paying customers) in the game.

I gave up on them. Almost got into 40k with a buddy of mine. I was going to do Tau, got excited to find out they were getting updated. Only problem was every time I read something about the mechanics of the game I couldnt help thinking "that sounds dumb, what a slowed unbalanced deal that is, this game doesnt sound fun at all". After having that thought recur several dozen times, and my friend agreeing, we went with Warmachine.

We both love the fluff and the minis...but a crappy game is a crappy game. The rules are what makes a game fun or not...and GWs rules are not fun.

Hate to say it, but if you "almost" got into 40k, how do you know the rules suck? I'm not saying you're wrong, but that's a pretty decent hole in your argument.

 MetalOxide wrote:

Don't forget that it would appeal to the female demographic which I think is actually larger than people make it out to be.

And they are all perfectly happy playing Tyranids.

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Mad4Minis wrote:

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
Wouldnt surprise me at this point, considering how poorly GW is handling their products lately. But hey, the company in charge of my hobby is embarrassingly gakky and my money would be better spent supporting a more competent business.

Here's hoping they pull their heads out of their asses and keep me (and a million other paying customers) in the game.

I gave up on them. Almost got into 40k with a buddy of mine. I was going to do Tau, got excited to find out they were getting updated. Only problem was every time I read something about the mechanics of the game I couldnt help thinking "that sounds dumb, what a slowed unbalanced deal that is, this game doesnt sound fun at all". After having that thought recur several dozen times, and my friend agreeing, we went with Warmachine.

We both love the fluff and the minis...but a crappy game is a crappy game. The rules are what makes a game fun or not...and GWs rules are not fun.

Hate to say it, but if you "almost" got into 40k, how do you know the rules suck? I'm not saying you're wrong, but that's a pretty decent hole in your argument.

Um, because in the very next sentence he says every time he looked at the rules they seemed bad?

 Kroothawk wrote:

75hastings69 wrote:Not being into 40k I don't know what the "traits system" is, however here's what I've heard for the SM codex, you choose a chapter and that choice confers a bonus/bonuses to your army e.g. My imperial fists get tank hunter and bolter drill. Is that similar to what you mean?

I would still like to know, where to put the Ork release.

Bah, traits is soo 4th ed...

Orks are put into the SM dex, just different traits given..


But I could see them running with USR as "traits", still a disservice to those with the less "useful" ones then. If we would need codex SM at all so soon.
Plus, am not going to have my Templars join the codex astartes huggers.

Maybe: Tau, Eldar, summer expansion book in english only and temporary ie limited, orks, nids.
And a few IG kits... ??? Because orks love to loot IG stuff...

 jonolikespie wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Mad4Minis wrote:

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
Wouldnt surprise me at this point, considering how poorly GW is handling their products lately. But hey, the company in charge of my hobby is embarrassingly gakky and my money would be better spent supporting a more competent business.

Here's hoping they pull their heads out of their asses and keep me (and a million other paying customers) in the game.

I gave up on them. Almost got into 40k with a buddy of mine. I was going to do Tau, got excited to find out they were getting updated. Only problem was every time I read something about the mechanics of the game I couldnt help thinking "that sounds dumb, what a slowed unbalanced deal that is, this game doesnt sound fun at all". After having that thought recur several dozen times, and my friend agreeing, we went with Warmachine.

We both love the fluff and the minis...but a crappy game is a crappy game. The rules are what makes a game fun or not...and GWs rules are not fun.

Hate to say it, but if you "almost" got into 40k, how do you know the rules suck? I'm not saying you're wrong, but that's a pretty decent hole in your argument.

Um, because in the very next sentence he says every time he looked at the rules they seemed bad?

To run with a ridiculous but true example, I didn't think ketchup on strawberries was going to taste good, but it did. You don't know if you'll hate the rules for sure until you've tried it. Then again, coming into the game with a "these rules are going to suck!" mentality isn't conductive to liking the rules.

I'm just happy Tau are next inline to get a codex, screw everyone else! haha

Any more rumours on a supposedly new army at the end of next year?

 jonolikespie wrote:

 AlmightyWalrus wrote:

 Mad4Minis wrote:

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
Wouldnt surprise me at this point, considering how poorly GW is handling their products lately. But hey, the company in charge of my hobby is embarrassingly gakky and my money would be better spent supporting a more competent business.

Here's hoping they pull their heads out of their asses and keep me (and a million other paying customers) in the game.

I gave up on them. Almost got into 40k with a buddy of mine. I was going to do Tau, got excited to find out they were getting updated. Only problem was every time I read something about the mechanics of the game I couldnt help thinking "that sounds dumb, what a slowed unbalanced deal that is, this game doesnt sound fun at all". After having that thought recur several dozen times, and my friend agreeing, we went with Warmachine.

We both love the fluff and the minis...but a crappy game is a crappy game. The rules are what makes a game fun or not...and GWs rules are not fun.

Hate to say it, but if you "almost" got into 40k, how do you know the rules suck? I'm not saying you're wrong, but that's a pretty decent hole in your argument.

Um, because in the very next sentence he says every time he looked at the rules they seemed bad?

I knew what Hot Dogs were long before I ever ate one, I saw videos of them being made, I knew exactly what scrapings and back-passage-bits went into them, and it put me right off. Wouldn't touch them. Then I tried one, and guess what; they're delicious.

The reason there are dozens of variations on the sentiment "don't knock it 'till you've tried it" floating about is because it's a valid point, so unless "looked at " means "played several games", then he's absolutely correct to say that it's a hole in their argument.

75hastings69 wrote:

Hastings, thanks for your rumours, any chance we will see updated jetbikes for the Eldar release and/or plastic Wraithguard?

Yes.

So are Eldar Flyer, Jetbikes, Wraithguard and Uber Wraithguard Thingy? Or are the Wraithguard and the Uber Wraithguard Thingy the same thing?

Not the same thing, there's a huge wraith guard construct type thing (similar to tau) IIRC it has two builds (shooty & cc), also IIRC the actual wraith guard have some kind of CC build option.

 Yodhrin wrote:
I knew what Hot Dogs were long before I ever ate one, I saw videos of them being made, I knew exactly what scrapings and back-passage-bits went into them, and it put me right off. Wouldn't touch them. Then I tried one, and guess what; they're delicious.

The reason there are dozens of variations on the sentiment "don't knock it 'till you've tried it" floating about is because it's a valid point, so unless "looked at " means "played several games", then he's absolutely correct to say that it's a hole in their argument.

I disagree (to an extent). Whilst "don't knock it 'til you've tried it" is a extremely valid point and there is somewhat a hole in his argument, I wouldn't underestimate how much you can glean just from looking at it.
For example, I needn't even own the Chaos Space Marine or Chaos Daemons Codex to be able to identify weak points or where/how units can be improved. With a bit of logical thinking I strongly believe you can learn a whole lot about the 40K rules just from looking at them.


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 Kroothawk wrote:

75hastings69 wrote:

stahly wrote:Hastings, thanks for your rumours, any chance we will see updated jetbikes for the Eldar release and/or plastic Wraithguard?

Yes.

And Seer Council bikes...?

Kroothawk...I enjoy the hyperbole but I am referring to one 40k codex per month, whether or not a fantasy or lotr book drops is far less stable. Especially from the clues and feedback I got from my conversation with the GW (pant)suit at GAMA. A 40k codex a month is clearly the model they are trying to continue this edition.

I know I am no authority or insider... clearly not making a claim of that. But I can read into conversations with folks, and I just wanted to share to the opinion cycle. Opinions are like donkey-caves, we all have them and they all stink.

I think we missed an important point further up the chain:

Ketchup on strawberries, really?

 MetalOxide wrote:

 Flashman wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Still, I don't see it being a considerable financial success. Necrons e.g. became popular because they already were a set army, a lot of people used to play them, and with the new release, they jumped back in. SoB - just don't. Nobody plays them. What would be the player's motivation to pick up a new army?

1. Girls are always a big selling point in Fantasy/Sci-Fi (something I don't think GW exploits as much as it should) and aside from the odd Eldar, Sisters are the only girls in town.

2. A 10+ year wait for DE V2.0 made them see really fresh and new when they were finally released. Sisters are pretty much in the same position now.

3. New plastics for miniatures that have only ever been in metal generally seem to be well received by the Warhammer crowd.

Don't forget that it would appeal to the female demographic which I think is actually larger than people make it out to be.

Much larger. And larger still if GW gave them an all (or largely) girl army to play. I was starting up a 40k campaign and both female players wanting to start a 40k army wanted to do SoB. Then they realised it was over $50 (plus shipping) per squad, with limited possibilities for discounts or even Ebaying anymore. One went Daemons (for a BF that was never assembled because the army was too boring for her) and the other for Eldar. The Eldar player did several female conversions, but got out with the advent of 6th ed. She said she'd start again if Exodite world rules are in the next codex. Thankfully I know GW, so I won't have to worry about that any time soon.

The new Tau big robot looks cool. Not playing the game anymore but I'll scan the codex, maybe consider buying the model to paint. Maybe.

 edweird wrote:
Kroothawk...I enjoy the hyperbole but I am referring to one 40k codex per month, whether or not a fantasy or lotr book drops is far less stable.

I wouldn't call the rumour of Warhammer Fantasy and Hobbit being discontinued confirmed yet, whatever your sources are
Actually, we know quite well, which army books will be released in the next 2.5 years.

Anyway:

75hastings69 wrote:Please keep in mind gents that my "rumours" are nearing end of their lifespan, this is all info I've had for several months already, as I no longer bother with GW there's a good possibility that there are additions to what I've put, I.e. anything that's been added in the last 7-8 months or so.

For those PMing me for SoB info, I have NONE, they aren't on my schedule and I only have heard the same info (from the same posters) as you lot..... allegedly plastics are done & awesome but there's some kind of problem with them (which personally I don't believe - but that's just me )

Well, Plastic Miniatures are a step in the right direction.

Plastics done for Sisters and being awesome and delayed..

That's not a rumor, it's been said so many times it's positively fact now!

Eternally delayed.

Que horribly designed Eldar flyer in 3...2...

 Harriticus wrote:
Que horribly designed Eldar flyer in 3...2...

GW designers seem to completely omit/ignore the design of the tail end of their flyers; hence, most flyers end up looking like silly front-heavy toys. Eldar are the one aesthetic that actually looks fine when having the front-focused scythe design; it worked for Dark Eldar, and the currently existing Nightwing looks great.

I have hope...

I think you've got a point there as far as the front loading goes. They do seem to end up forgetting.

UltraPrime wrote:

 edweird wrote:
Snip.

So, your 'prediction' is 40K will be completely updated in one year. And GW is abandoning Fantasy and The Hobbit. Yeah, I can see that...

One lucky guess and two forgone conclusions does not a seer make.

I never said they were abandoning fantasy or the LotR lines... although abandoning the LotR line would make quite a few retailers happy. I don't quite know where everyone is assuming that I infer that Fantasy is getting the axe. In fact I think it is the most venerable of the 3 lines, but monthly army book drops is a trend that is yet to establish itself if at all.

 Absolutionis wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
Que horribly designed Eldar flyer in 3...2...

GW designers seem to completely omit/ignore the design of the tail end of their flyers; hence, most flyers end up looking like silly front-heavy toys. Eldar are the one aesthetic that actually looks fine when having the front-focused scythe design; it worked for Dark Eldar, and the currently existing Nightwing looks great.

I have hope...

GW sculptors have always been obsessed with forced perspectives... But yes I fully agree, all 40k fliers suffer from junk in the front syndrome that would give the weight and balance team on any airforce base an aneurysm.

So again, no news on Sisters, and looks like we'll be getting yet another generic marine codex before we get Guard or Orks, too.

No surprise there. Just disappointment.

I would be on board for a new eldar codex/army. Might just get me back into 40k.

I don't know how I feel about my templars anymore, "disillusioned" about covers it.

 Melissia wrote:
So again, no news on Sisters, and looks like we'll be getting yet another generic marine codex before we get Guard or Orks, too.

No surprise there. Just disappointment.

5th edition started out with Generic Marines followed by IG.
Orks are kind of hazy, being after Eldar and likely after SM, possibly after IG as well. But at the rate of releases, we could see Eldar in Oct (some say Nov, but I expect Oct since High elves are in May, and Lizardmen would then be in Nov, so Fantasy doesn't get two books in a row [daemons are a special case]) Then if next year sees the same release rate, say Marines in January, IG in March/April, Orks in May or bumped to Oct.

Black Templars being added to the vanilla marine dex may be dissapointing for full on BT players, but looking at their book, it could be done easily- by adding 3 special characters to the Marine book, an option for Initiate squads. Righteous Zeal could become a warlord trait attached to Helbrecht, and Vows a special chart attached to the EC. Then add 3-4 pages of BT fluff and 1-2 pages worth of entries to the timeline, and they are covered. Taking the BT book out of the lineup would reduce the superabundance of MEQ books by a bit, with the minimum of overall adjustment. Plus, adding BT, the new Terminator+ suits and rhino variants, maybe a recut kit or two, and bringing back traits, and the Vanilla Marine codex is done.

On the plus side for BT players, if they get folded into the main SM codex, then this time it will be a proper SM book, and not Codex Ultramarines that was made vanilla late in the game by tacking 20 pages of fluff for other chapters and a few more special characters. This time it will be more balanced, as adding 3 SCs for the Templars would help balance the 6 Ultramarine SCs with 5 SCs from Imperial Fists chapters and successors. Plus, IF and Crimson fists would be allowed to take Emperor's champions as they should be.

 Sigvatr wrote:
If GW wants to sell SoB, they need to sex them up. Make them look attractive, not those really ugly female troopers. Sure, it's "lame" if you need sexy minis to make people play Sisters, but alas, either sex them up or drop the entire army. SoB are female Space Marines minus the Marine. They don't even fill a niche. So if GW is smart, they don't update SoB unless they have a REALLY REALLY awesome financial year allowing them for a release that will not generate a lot of money. Even a new release will not get a lot of new Sisters players in. On second thought, just drop them :/

It's not "lame" so much as it is horribly sexist. I'm not saying you yourself are necessarily sexist, but you're not really helping by promoting this idea that Sisters must be "sexed up" or dropped completely.

 edweird wrote:
Kroothawk...I enjoy the hyperbole but I am referring to one 40k codex per month, whether or not a fantasy or lotr book drops is far less stable. Especially from the clues and feedback I got from my conversation with the GW (pant)suit at GAMA. A 40k codex a month is clearly the model they are trying to continue this edition.

Personally I hope they keep it up and do get every army updated within a year. If the trend continues and every army has about the same power level as the ones released so far, 40k might actually be kinda balanced for once. Kinda. Then again that assumes no more feth-ups like the heldrake (which they made even better with the FAQ).

Armies like IG, SW, GK, and to a lesser extent Necrons are just too damn good as they are, so if they get similarly toned down with their updates then the worst parts of 40k should be mostly taken care of. Then that just leaves the horrible core rules.

 Absolutionis wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
Que horribly designed Eldar flyer in 3...2...

GW designers seem to completely omit/ignore the design of the tail end of their flyers; hence, most flyers end up looking like silly front-heavy toys. Eldar are the one aesthetic that actually looks fine when having the front-focused scythe design; it worked for Dark Eldar, and the currently existing Nightwing looks great.

Which is why GW will probably address this with the Eldar flyer and give it an ugly tail that it doesn't really need, and make it look nothing at all like the nightwing or DE razorwing.

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
I think we missed an important point further up the chain:

Ketchup on strawberries, really?

Yeah, what the feth man?

The problem with a codex-a-month, and 40K ASAP, is "then what?"
If GW releases every model in every codex for a game, what do they do until the next version (7th) gets released?

There's more scenery coming out, but I can't think what they'll do when they run out ideas on that.

 Skinnereal wrote:
The problem with a codex-a-month, and 40K ASAP, is "then what?"
If GW releases every model in every codex for a game, what do they do until the next version (7th) gets released?

There's more scenery coming out, but I can't think what they'll do when they run out ideas on that.

Once they're mostly caught up they'll probably switch back to focusing on WHFB for 9th edition, while gradually building up new material behind the scenes for 40k 7th edition.

Well, we all know that there will be no Codex-a-month for a year, so why even discuss this nonsense.

 TheHarleqwin wrote:

 hotsauceman1 wrote:
I would be willing to bet eldar are going to be here by august.

I certainly hope so as I have decided to put my intended necron army on hold so I can add to my already 4000pts worth of eldar when the new codex hits.

Also, my BT playing friend will have a pink fit if they get folded into the SM codex. Every time talk turns to 40k he mentions that BT have one of the oldest codexes and how different they are to regular marines. For the sake of my ears, I really hope it doesn't happen!