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I doubt we'll get new Phoenix Lords. Remember all those rumours about the Chaos codex? We were going to get a totally new Abaddon and Khârn, and we still have the 2nd edition era models (which for some reason are still superior to a lot of the stuff being put out today...).

If it ain't broke, don't fix it huh Malika2. Special characters are not major money makers(in general, there are obvious exceptions), and it's part of the reason they have such a high CPM (cost per model) against over models you can have 50 of in army made of the same material.

They only stand to waste money and development if they can't produce a superior model, and judging by the wide variety of opinions on which ones look good and don't (Still shocked Karandras was mentioned, though I can respect the opinion), it seems like risky business to update the models.

Maybe start a multi-answer poll that asks "Which Phoenix Lord Models do you feel look poor" and avoid asking "Which do you feel need updates" or anything like that, to actually produce some data on which ones MIGHT need updating.

I think it is less about 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' and more about GW thinking 'hey, people already own these models, they won't buy more just because we redo the kit, lets make some huge monster/vehicle/flyer in a dual kit instead'.

With the exception of the broadsides (which were completely redesigned) and raptors (were the crappy old metal ones, and their kit became a dual one) they have not been redoing anything lately. There were rumours of Abbadon and Karn for chaos marines, then rumours about greater daemons for the daemons release, and in both cases we got giant dual kits that seemed completely out of place instead.

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Anonymous Source over at Faeit 212 wrote:just been informed we should be looking at WHFB high elves next month, followed by Eldar the month after and Apoc the month after that.

Stickmmonkey over at faeit212 wrote:May: High Elves
June: Eldar
July: Apocalypse
August: Lizardmen
September: Blood Bowl
October: Space Marines
November: Dwarves?
December: Hobbit
January: Tyranids

Keep in mind that Stickmonkey's release lists are much guess work ATM.

Balls. High Elves and Eldar in consecutive months? My wallet is going to HURT. At least I have some time to wait and recover before Nids get updated...

Tyranids for January 2014? I'm sorry, but the fact that their current codex would only be 4 years old at that time absolutely makes my blood boil. Templars and arguably Orks are far more deserving of updates in the time frame we're talking about.

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
Tyranids for January 2014? I'm sorry, but the fact that their current codex would only be 4 years old at that time absolutely makes my blood boil. Templars and arguably Orks are far more deserving of updates in the time frame we're talking about.

Tyranids have been updated every edition since their release.

Yeah I get that, but that doesn't mean they should be updated ahead of older codices that need the update more.

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
Tyranids for January 2014? I'm sorry, but the fact that their current codex would only be 4 years old at that time absolutely makes my blood boil. Templars and arguably Orks are far more deserving of updates in the time frame we're talking about.

Space Marines get 1-2 updates per year. Us Xenos players have had to hold tight, Black Marine players can too. If Black Marine players are too impatient, they always have the option to buy the Marine-color-of-the-month Green Marine units and run their old models with the new Green Marines codex. Tyranid players can't use Gaunts as Marine-color-of-the-month without everyone in a mile radius raising an eyebrow.

Y'know, not every marine player hops onto the next marine codex. I actually don't play marines at all but I fell in love with Templars 2 years ago and I've held off buying them until they get updated, so you can (maybe) understand my consternation.

Isnt there enough creepy guys in our hobby to begin with?
Just drop the sisters as an army altogether.
Incorporate them into the Ordo Toileticus...

FarseerAndyMan wrote:
Isnt there enough creepy guys in our hobby to begin with?
Just drop the sisters as an army altogether.
Incorporate them into the Ordo Toileticus...

Creepy guys will always be creepy. Getting rid of the Sisters won't fix that.

Earth Dragon wrote:
If it ain't broke, don't fix it huh Malika2. Special characters are not major money makers(in general, there are obvious exceptions), and it's part of the reason they have such a high CPM (cost per model) against over models you can have 50 of in army made of the same material.

They only stand to waste money and development if they can't produce a superior model, and judging by the wide variety of opinions on which ones look good and don't (Still shocked Karandras was mentioned, though I can respect the opinion), it seems like risky business to update the models.

Maybe start a multi-answer poll that asks "Which Phoenix Lord Models do you feel look poor" and avoid asking "Which do you feel need updates" or anything like that, to actually produce some data on which ones MIGHT need updating.

The heads are pretty much the weakest point, it was GW's big hat period where all the bosses got big hats so many of them are just short of being bobble heads.

GW could redo many of the heads since they're seperate. They did that with the greater daemons a few years back.

 Absolutionis wrote:

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
Tyranids for January 2014? I'm sorry, but the fact that their current codex would only be 4 years old at that time absolutely makes my blood boil. Templars and arguably Orks are far more deserving of updates in the time frame we're talking about.

Space Marines get 1-2 updates per year. Us Xenos players have had to hold tight, Black Marine players can too. If Black Marine players are too impatient, they always have the option to buy the Marine-color-of-the-month Green Marine units and run their old models with the new Green Marines codex. Tyranid players can't use Gaunts as Marine-color-of-the-month without everyone in a mile radius raising an eyebrow.

It's still going to cost a lot to swap to another Marine army unless you want to have an army that's going to be rubbish, and a lot of your stuff is probably not going to see much play. The very issue we're complaining over is that we ARE holding tight, more so than Eldar or (especially) Orks. Pretending that you can seamlessly swap from one Marine Codex to another isn't going to change the fact that you can't. Especially now that Razor-spam is more or less dead.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Back to topic:

Anonymous Source over at Faeit 212 wrote:just been informed we should be looking at WHFB high elves next month, followed by Eldar the month after and Apoc the month after that.

Stickmmonkey over at faeit212 wrote:May: High Elves
June: Eldar
July: Apocalypse
August: Lizardmen
September: Blood Bowl
October: Space Marines
November: Dwarves?
December: Hobbit
January: Tyranids

Keep in mind that Stickmonkey's release lists are much guess work ATM.

Tbh, I feel like I could've come up with these rumours or release schedule if I wanted to: mainly from just copying off Hastings...

Which suggests that Stickmonkey is doing just that, or actually has a seemingly reliable source.

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
Yeah I get that, but that doesn't mean they should be updated ahead of older codices that need the update more.

So... Every edition when this happens you get "consternated"?

rigeld2 wrote:

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
Yeah I get that, but that doesn't mean they should be updated ahead of older codices that need the update more.

So... Every edition when this happens you get "consternated"?

...are you seriously asking me if I'm bothered by the fact that armies who need the update more are left to linger when newer books are updated first? Um... yeah, yeah I am. Most people are...

 creeping-deth87 wrote:

rigeld2 wrote:

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
Yeah I get that, but that doesn't mean they should be updated ahead of older codices that need the update more.

So... Every edition when this happens you get "consternated"?

...are you seriously asking me if I'm bothered by the fact that armies who need the update more are left to linger when newer books are updated first? Um... yeah, yeah I am. Most people are...

My point is that this is not a new thing. It seemed like you were surprised that Nids would get an update.
News flash - C:SM will get updated relatively soon also.

The fact that it's not a new thing doesn't mean I can't express my dissatisfaction with the way armies are renewed, especially if it means, like in my case, the delay of an army update that I've been wanting to start for the last 2 years like I mentioned in an earlier post.

 creeping-deth87 wrote:
The fact that it's not a new thing doesn't mean I can't express my dissatisfaction with the way armies are renewed, especially if it means, like in my case, the delay of an army update that I've been wanting to start for the last 2 years like I mentioned in an earlier post.

You make a very good point i will give you that but there are also rumors that the BT's may end up molded with the C:SM book which in this case would mean your arguing about them being updated would be counter intuative... Sorry if that upsets you

FarseerAndyMan wrote:
Isnt there enough creepy guys in our hobby to begin with?
Just drop the sisters as an army altogether.
Incorporate them into the Ordo Toileticus...

Why the hell would playing Sisters make one "creepy"? I don't see why it would be any worse than being a miniature wargamer to begin with.

The Repentia are fething stupid, but other than that Sisters aren't that bad and would be even better with an update. I won't accept this bs that they're for "creepy" guys unless they get a lot less clothing and much bigger tits with said update.

 Sidstyler wrote:

FarseerAndyMan wrote:
Isnt there enough creepy guys in our hobby to begin with?
Just drop the sisters as an army altogether.
Incorporate them into the Ordo Toileticus...

I won't accept this bs that they're for "creepy" guys unless they get a lot less clothing and much bigger tits with said update.

I'd buy that.

 thenoobbomb wrote:

 Sidstyler wrote:

FarseerAndyMan wrote:
Isnt there enough creepy guys in our hobby to begin with?
Just drop the sisters as an army altogether.
Incorporate them into the Ordo Toileticus...

I won't accept this bs that they're for "creepy" guys unless they get a lot less clothing and much bigger tits with said update.

I'd buy that.

Looks like I'd be a new Sisters player. *rubs hands together creepily*

Yeaaa.......*raises hand for club membership"

Interesting to see eldar in june, anyone have an idea why space marines would be in october? Seems like a counter productive time for a major release

End third fiscal quarter with a bang?

Meh, I have trouble believing much of stickeymonkey.

The only sisters player is my area is a "Furrie". Just say'in.

 battlematt wrote:
The only sisters player is my area is a "Furrie". Just say'in.

Trying to cover all the bases is he?

The only sisters player locally is extremely socially awkward with a speech impediment and is partial to fondling himself.

Just saying.