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Too bad... Can't support Mantic on concept art alone, especially since they have tragic failures in producing quality Orc models. Apparently when their orcs grow, their hands and heads go from a bestial faced truescale to a humanoid face heroic scale. And usually end up being posed as if they are having a stroke or falling down. I would rather their models have the static pose of the concept art if it meant faithful representations.

So let's see real sculpts or 3D renders before they get any money.

Hmm Mantic have dropped a hint about combat drones and walkers in the comments. That sounds good.

 scarletsquig wrote:

 Catyrpelius wrote:

 Alfndrate wrote:
Is that some level of record? O.o

No, Zombiecide Season 2 holds the record at something like 10 minutes...

That had a target of $25k though, not $50k. It still wins, but not by a great margin.

This going to be huge, I can see $1.5mil for this.

It hit 25k in less then 2 minutes, they passed 50k not long after that.

I wake up late, expecting all EBs to be gone, pull up this thread and see they're still available. Mantic is still going the extra mile to save us a couple bucks where they can (so we'll spend those extra bucks on them in other areas of the kickstarter ). I love the Plague leader, quite enjoy the regular Plague now that I see them in better detail on the KS page, and the new factions look awesome too. Very impressed with Mantic, once again. I own almost as many Mantic models as I own GW now-and have spent 1/4 of the cost!! If that.

Good on Mantic for including LOTS of early birds. Managed to grab a 142 one at least.

I find it funnyt that the mock ups don't match the displays for each faction so far. We've got a Marauder with a chainsaw arm in power armor at the faction description, and then there's the massive one with rockets and "more dakka" to borrow a phrase down there at the pledge levels.

The multiples of generic troops makes me wonder if things get wild enough if they might get sprued at some point- get yourself some easy basic grunt troops that way?

Rebs having all the aliens is a plus.

Big question in my head right now is will Mantic be able to outpace MERCS in giving out all kinds of extra goodies?

I hope and expect so- this is the company known for actually doing pre-order discounts as a regular basis.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
Big question in my head right now is will Mantic be able to outpace MERCS in giving out all kinds of extra goodies?

I can only point you towards Dreadball, which finished with around $500 of stuff for the $150 pledge level.

Where's the !@$& stretch goals? If they had been posted, we would have gone through a 75k one already.

I'm sure they're coming, can't really blame Mantic for being a little slow as I doubt that anyone would have foreseen Deadzone being funded so quickly.

The Deadzone rulebook is going to include rules for MOVING and SHOOTING? My, my... What's Mantic going to think of next? Rules for determining the winner? Nah, that'd be too groundbreaking even for the world-renowned game designer Jake Thornton.

Joking aside, I like some of the models, but I won't be pledging. I hope the models are available as separate blisters eventually.

Corp:
- commander has wonky proportions and his cape doesn't fit the WP aesthetics. I though they were supposed to be hard SF shock troops, not crusader knights in space? Is it a war trophy taken off a dead forgefather? His face expression makes him look clueless, like he's lost his way and wandered onto the battlefield. "Hmm, I seem to have made a wrong turn somewhere between Mass Effect and 40K..."

- troopers are nice, though I feel they're too detailed. I don't like so many breaks in flat surfaces, it takes forever to paint, and unless you're an accomplished painter, will look too busy and simply not good.

- sniper is cool. Cape without camo is silly, but that's just the official painting, so can be rectified. One of the few Mantic miniatures I can personally classify as badass.

- drone controller is cool. Drone is OK, not that creative, but it'll do. I like tech support guys, they're so rare in wargames (remember the chapter serf from Macragge?).

Plague:
- big Plague guy is awesome. Will become a post-apocalyptic mutant leader. He looks pissed and out to pound some puny humans into bloody pulps. Love him!

- medium Plague zombie looks goofy as heck. The artwork it's based on was nice, but they botched the sculpt. Looks like a rage monkey and elicits derisive chuckling instead of dread. I dislike the blockade as well - I don't do urban bases, so it'd look out of place. Pass.

- small zombies are... not my cup of tea. Again, goofy proportions. I understand they were supposed to be grotesque and misshapen, but they made them look like caricatures, with awkward, elongated, cartoon-like torsos and limbs, complete with redneck heads. Dead Space necromorphs these ain't.

The game itself sounds promising, but the grid will have to go. I can only hope it's not that much of a hassle to reverse-engineer it to utilize inches instead, otherwise it's a pass as well. I'm simply not interested in watered-down, wargame-boardgame hybrids. DT was disappointing enough.

On a side note, I do not understand why they refer to Marauders as a brand new race, same with Enforcers.

New stretch goal - $100k for another sprue of hard plastic terrain.

So, a new design of buildings to mix and match with the current set.

I'm happy with that. More hard plastic from Mantic and upgraded quality for the game = yes please!

well be at that in 2 hours

Yep not going to take long to get some more variety in the scenery.

I give it less then 30 minutes to break the 100k

nkelsch wrote:
Too bad... Can't support Mantic on concept art alone, especially since they have tragic failures in producing quality Orc models. Apparently when their orcs grow, their hands and heads go from a bestial faced truescale to a humanoid face heroic scale. And usually end up being posed as if they are having a stroke or falling down. I would rather their models have the static pose of the concept art if it meant faithful representations.

So let's see real sculpts or 3D renders before they get any money.

Agreed... I don't know if folks just want quantity over quality but there has been a high rate of "misses", and a few of the sculpts they already have done for this are awful (the captain being the worst).

I don't know if it's internet/ early bird hysteria or, as I said before, folks who just want quantity... the quality isn't there imo.

The only mini I'm not keen on is the captain, and who cares?

By the time this is over I'll have 80+ free minis and won't be giving much of a damn whether or not I get around to painting up the few that I don't like.

I guess you could call that "quantity", but IMO Mantic hits the mark with sculpting quality a lot more often than people give it credit for.

There's an alternate sculpt for the captain available anyway, that looks pure awesome so it's a non-issue to me.

Hmm, the Rebs look pretty good. It's the only faction I'm interested in, but that puts me in a bit of a quandry.

40 bucks for 6 figs is not a good enough deal for me and this pledge level doesn't get you any stretch goals.

Stretch goals kick in at 90 and gets the scenery (which I really like) but you can't get rebs again until you go up to $150 (143 for early birds)

Mantic:
Any chance for a Recon pledge where you can pick your factions?

I feel they stalled on stretch goals to see how they should be spaced, which is essentially BS as that's not "funding" jack diddly squat. I would like to know what the extra funds are going towards. It's a KS. The extra funds should be going towards the game. Why are we not already funding additional factions/options?

 Commander Cain wrote:
Pledged. Not really sure what I am getting but I will check when I am out of bed!

Digital enforcer sculpts huh? Seems like they have tweaked the legs to look less skinny also, good move Mantic. Just please offer the old enforcer captain over old grumpy in a cape, not a fan...

$5 shipping for me isn't bad also, got an earlybird so I guess it pays for itself.

No kidding - the look MUCH better.

Hopefully it translates into the actual models.

ANd hopefully they fix that commander model too...

Also - you lazy gits!

Post the actual update!

Deadzone is funded!
Update #1 · Apr 26, 2013 · 21 comments

Holy Moly!

Well, we’d hoped Deadzone might be popular (with such beautiful scenery and gorgeous miniatures, we could only hope!) – but seriously… hitting our goal in 33 mins? Absurd!!

Thank you so much for making Deadzone a reality, you’ve allowed us to tool the miniatures for the game which is simply incredible… wow.

We are soldiering on towards the next major milestone – $100,000 – which will allow us to do another scenery tool of all-new tiles. Because of this, we’ll be able to upgrade one of the scenery sprues in your pledge to these new designs, massively improving the variety amongst your buildings!



Scenery Tiles Concept Art

Crazy day guys, crazy day. Thanks for supporting Deadzone!

They'll probably allow the swapping of the rewards. At least they've done so with the kings of war project.

Fear not, Mantic will add on the addons and strechgoals "soon". I'm absolutely certain of that.

Seeing how stretch goal are the main driving force behind every successful wargame kickstarter, I have no doubts DZ will be chock-full of them. Though if anybody's thinking they're helping to improve the game through pledges, they're fooling themselves - every extra goal has already been accounted for before the KS even started. There's no financing anything, it's just a pre-order system. Nothing wrong with that, but it grates me every time somebody proudly exclaims they're making the game possible. You're not, the game's finished, and any extra components that haven't been sculpted yet are in a normal state of production (the game's slated for December, after all).

Earth Dragon wrote:I feel they stalled on stretch goals to see how they should be spaced, which is essentially BS as that's not "funding" jack diddly squat. I would like to know what the extra funds are going towards. It's a KS. The extra funds should be going towards the game. Why are we not already funding additional factions/options?

$50k stretch for a plastic sprue is very reasonable. There'll be lots of time to allow for smaller stretches when things slow down, but that was a very good move to take advantage of momentum to add hard plastic while they can.

 -DE- wrote:
Seeing how stretch goal are the main driving force behind every successful wargame kickstarter, I have no doubts DZ will be chock-full of them. Though if anybody's thinking they're helping to improve the game through pledges, they're fooling themselves - every extra goal has already been accounted for before the KS even started. There's no financing anything, it's just a pre-order system. Nothing wrong with that, but it grates me every time somebody proudly exclaims they're making the game possible. You're not, the game's finished, and any extra components that haven't been sculpted yet are in a normal state of production (the game's slated for December, after all).

They have stuff planned out, but Mantic's previous Kickstarters have condensed 3 years releases into a single year, and given those models for extremely cheap prices.

It doesn't take 50k to fund tooling for one sprue.....three different sprues maybe.

I'm going to try something new with the OP for this thread.

I know people have liked the previous OPs I've made for Mantic threads, so this time, I'm going to remove the massive pics and promotional stuff copy+pasted from the KS page itself and just have a basic description/ one pic and then dedicate the rest of the OP to a pure information dump, to cut straight to the point.

I was a little surprised the stretch goals weren't up yet, but I'm sure they will be by the end of the day.

Really pleased about the multiple Early Birds. I got the $144 level. I'm sure this is going to go nuts. I expect that all factions are going to wind up with quite a few more figures before this is done. One thing I'm hoping to see (aside from some small scale vehicles) would be a Corporation Engineering Team. They featured pretty heavily in the twitter storyline, so why not? And if they happen to look like a certain engineer that fights the dead in space, all the better.

 scarletsquig wrote:
The only mini I'm not keen on is the captain, and who cares?

By the time this is over I'll have 80+ free minis and won't be giving much of a damn whether or not I get around to painting up the few that I don't like.

I guess you could call that "quantity", but IMO Mantic hits the mark with sculpting quality a lot more often than people give it credit for.

There's an alternate sculpt for the captain available anyway, that looks pure awesome so it's a non-issue to me.

I don't like buying groups of models from a company and the trade-off for being 'cheap and numerous' is some of the models go right in the garbage can. I am getting 200+ minis from Merc, and I expect that not a single model will be a failure.

If all you care about is cheap tiddlywinks for gaming, them more power to you. I like to paint models and I dislike it when the models are clearly flawed in proportions, poorly sculpted or are just goofy to look at.

Considering other companies have and maintain a 100% good sculpt record, I don't think it is unreasonable to expect that. They may make models which don't appeal, but the sculpts are sound. Mantic makes fundamentally flawed sculpts with bad poses, bad scale issues, non-realistic concepts like the enforcers knobby superthin knees.

You have summed up Mantic's marketing pretty clearly:

"Hey, you get 80+ cheap ass figures, we already got your money, just throw the bad ones in the garbage and quit complaining."

Maybe they should do a Kickstarter to pay for better sculptors... Or maybe we will get more cathorse.

This also isn't their first rodeo. There was no reason to start the campaign without stretches and add-ons.

I'm just waiting for the Teratons to show up!

 scarletsquig wrote:
The only mini I'm not keen on is the captain, and who cares?

By the time this is over I'll have 80+ free minis and won't be giving much of a damn whether or not I get around to painting up the few that I don't like.

I guess you could call that "quantity", but IMO Mantic hits the mark with sculpting quality a lot more often than people give it credit for.

There's an alternate sculpt for the captain available anyway, that looks pure awesome so it's a non-issue to me.

Not to pile on, as I see nkelsch quoted this and responded to it above as well, but since you were replying to me- Yes, I would call that the epitome of "quantity over quality", as you ask.

Also:

Alpharius wrote:No kidding - the look MUCH better.

Hopefully it translates into the actual models.

ANd hopefully they fix that commander model too...

They have not fulfilled that hope in the past, as nkelsch has previously pointed out, even models they say they're going to fix/improve remain as they are.

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That commander is here to stay, if people (even scarletsquig!) don't like it, plan to throw it away when they get it, etc, then they shouldn't be counting it in the "total" of sweet free minis they're getting! (Note: This is directed at the "80+ free minis" comment from scarletsquig, not to Alpharius' comment above).

 Alpharius wrote:
I'm just waiting for the Teratons to show up!

Soon Enough!