Mantic Deadzone Kickstarter - Completed! - $1,216,482 final total.

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**scarletsquig**

I say that one mini is less than perfect, and all of a sudden I get lynched by Dakka saying that I'm a gamer who doesn't give a toss about quality and would be happy playing with tiddlywinks.

Thanks a lot, forum.

**RiTides**

The issue is fixed?

You are admitting that one sculpt is absolute rubbish. 80-90% are very nice without the issues you quoted? The fantasy minis posted recently, many folks were upset with the werewolves. It happens over and over.

They are not batting .800 - .900 here. More like .333, in my opinion.

I think they make some fine sculpts too, but call a spade a spade. They're missing at least as often as they are hitting on sculpts (imo).

**Cyporiean**

I'm honestly not seeing how the Enforcer Captain is any worst then a Terminator Captain.

**Eilif**

Eilif wrote:Hmm, the Rebs look pretty good. It's the only faction I'm interested in, but that puts me in a bit of a quandry.

40 bucks for 6 figs is not a good enough deal for me and this pledge level doesn't get you any stretch goals.

Stretch goals kick in at 90 and gets the scenery (which I really like) but you can't get rebs again until you go up to $150 (143 for early birds)

Mantic:
Any chance for a Recon pledge where you can pick your factions?

RoninXiC wrote:They'll probably allow the swapping of the rewards. At least they've done so with the kings of war project.

Fear not, Mantic will add on the addons and strechgoals "soon". I'm absolutely certain of that.

Just got this message from Mantic.

Hi Eilif
The Recon level contains the Enforcer and Plague faction starters. If you want the others, you can select them at the Scout level, and then you'll be able to add the rest of the components separately later on :-).
Thanks
Stewart

Cheers to Mantic for Amazing customer response time. However, I'm unimpressed by the actual response which (since adding a "Scout" is about the same as moving to Strike team) essentially is the same as saying.

"if you want a different faction and it's addons then increase your pledge by 50 bucks"

I went ahead and early birded at "Recon" in case this policy changes, but unless it does or the add-ons blow me away, I'll reserve the option to drop out later.

**decker_cky**

I'd say they're a lot closer to batting .900 than they are to .333 or even .500, but it's a style thing. Some people hate the proportions of the trolls and ogres. I think that the models we've seen make those as good as any trolls or ogres we've seen on the market. IMO, the werewolves are meh, but every other fantasy model that's been shown has been good to amazing.

I'm also wondering where this mystical 100% hit rate company that's selling miniatures for anything less than GW prices is.

**squall018**

And 100k hit! I think the trerrain is the thing I'm most excited about for this whole thing. Well, that and the enforcer captain

**Nick Ellingworth**

And there's 100k

EDIT: ninja'd

**RiTides**

Scarletsquig- Don't make it personal, no one it attacking you. You are not personally connected to Mantic, right? Someone can say the sculpts are bad without attacking you. It's just plain fair criticism, Not personal.

My question (which you responded to) is simply what is the appeal, if one of the sculpts already revealed is almost universally considered bad, and most are still concept art? The appeal, as you posted, seems to be quantity of minis. There's nothing wrong with that... I'm just trying to understand what people are attracted to by this campaign.

**scarletsquig**

^ Wasn't responding to your reasonable post, but nkelsch's infinitely more antagonising one.

**squall018**

New stretch goal for 125k. Specialists for each faction.

**RiTides**

decker_cky wrote:
I'd say they're a lot closer to batting .900 than they are to .333 or even .500, but it's a style thing. Some people hate the proportions of the trolls and ogres. I think that the models we've seen make those as good as any trolls or ogres we've seen on the market. IMO, the werewolves are meh, but every other fantasy model that's been shown has been good to amazing.

Well you listed 3 models and don't like 1 of them, so that's .666 already

**decker_cky**

RiTides wrote:
decker_cky wrote:
I'd say they're a lot closer to batting .900 than they are to .333 or even .500, but it's a style thing. Some people hate the proportions of the trolls and ogres. I think that the models we've seen make those as good as any trolls or ogres we've seen on the market. IMO, the werewolves are meh, but every other fantasy model that's been shown has been good to amazing.

Well you listed 3 models and don't like 1 of them, so that's .666 already

And now you've gone pure troll.

**Alpharius**

Stretch Goal: Deadzone Specialists!
Update #2 · Apr 26, 2013 · 10 comments

Ha – Major Milestone complete, take that new scenery designs!

Like a runaway train the Deadzone Kickstarter keeps hurtling forwards so it’s now time for some stretch goals!

$125,000 - New Deadzone Specialists
If we reach this goal we will be able to tool 4 specialists – 1 for each faction!

Enforcer Engineer
Enforcer Engineers are integral to operations during a containment protocol, capable of laying deadly traps and automated sentry turrets.

Plague 2nd Gen
When the first victim of the Plague succumbs to the deadly alien virus then become what is known as a 1st Generation - a brutal colossus hell-bent on spreading its contagion to new hosts. These massive beings spread the plague in the ensuing slaughter and those second-generation victims that are infected suffer the same mutation to a lesser degree, becoming less massive but no less deadly.

Marauder in Ripper Armour
The Gorsch Corporation shot to fame when its Heavy Load Exo-Suit was adapted for combat use by Orc units. With the addition of dense armour plating and support-level weaponry, the Exo-Suits became a common sight on battlefields across the galaxy. Although the Orx no longer work for the Corporation, there are rumours that Gorsch still provides them with suit upgrades – for a price, of course.

Rebs Grogan with Heavy Weapon
Grogans are often looked down on by “civilised” society as brainless thugs. However, their straightforward demeanour and thick-set frame belies a keen mind and a knack for technology. Many of them have found their way to the ranks of the Rebellion, where they often act as both heavy-support troopers and engineers.

We will add each of the specialists into the faction starter boxes, meaning your getting 1 extra model at Scout ($40), 2 extra models at Recon ($100) and 4 extra models at Strike Team ($150)!

Have at it guys, crazy first day - let's see if we can make it crazier!

**Triszin**

the head on pic of the enforcer captain doesnt look half bad though, you guys should use that one instead.

**squall018**

decker_cky wrote:
RiTides wrote:
decker_cky wrote:
I'd say they're a lot closer to batting .900 than they are to .333 or even .500, but it's a style thing. Some people hate the proportions of the trolls and ogres. I think that the models we've seen make those as good as any trolls or ogres we've seen on the market. IMO, the werewolves are meh, but every other fantasy model that's been shown has been good to amazing.

Well you listed 3 models and don't like 1 of them, so that's .666 already

And now you've gone pure troll.

pretty sure he was just messing around with that last one.

**Alfndrate**

I would like to point out that if we're using batting averages here, perhaps we should point out that batting .333 is a high batting average, and is good enough to get you into the hall of fame...

**RiTides**

scarletsquig- Ah, got it. I don't think he meant "twiddydinks" as offensive, but I see your point. I actually edited the "yous" out of my original post, since it's easy to read "you" and take it personally.

Anyway, be careful folks! All I'm trying to point out is, I LOVE how Mantic has delivered on-time, but at this stage in my hobbying "career" I don't need tons of new models, I just need good ones that won't sit in a drawer. So if a model gives me misgivings, I'm not going to buy it, and they've had a bit of trouble translating concept art to sculpts.

That said, I'll watch with interest, and their latest dreadball teams have been better than the originals (imo) so it bodes well as a trend. But they're "not there yet" in terms of quality, I think, despite their continuing to improve (which is a good thing, but still a ways to go).

**Alpharius**

Also...

First Generation and Second Generation... Infected?

Heh.

**RiTides**

No Zombie love-boat for you, Alpharius?

Loving the ork (marauder) art, btw!

**squall018**

That Maurader in Ripper armor is probably my favorite looking concept art so far. Hope it transfers well when sculpted.

**SeanDrake**

scarletsquig wrote:
^ Wasn't responding to your reasonable post, but nkelsch's infinitely more antagonising one.

Meh don't worry about it SS it's one of those things.

In fact it's one of the laws of nature Waters wet, fires hot, gw is expensive and Nkelsch will turn up in a Mantic thread complaining.

Anyway in my opinion one of the issues with most of the photos of the captain is he just looks weird with the helmet visor up from an angle.

**Bossk_Hogg**

Earth Dragon wrote:
I feel they stalled on stretch goals to see how they should be spaced, which is essentially BS as that's not "funding" jack diddly squat. I would like to know what the extra funds are going towards. It's a KS. The extra funds should be going towards the game. Why are we not already funding additional factions/options?

I think that 25k was a deceptively lowball funding hurdle though. That's a LOT of molds to produce for that amount of money, not to mention rules, etc. 100k (or more) is probably a more accurate funding amount. However due to the psychology of kickstarters, people hold off backing a project until its funded (despite not being charged if it fails). And success breeds success, as it gets a "OMG, funded in 5 seconds!!" buzz going. 100k seems reasonable to start offering freebies. If they continue to sit on stretch goals, you may have a point, but I think its a little early to make a call.

**RiTides**

It's a 50K campaign, not 25K, Bossk_Hogg

**scarletsquig**

New stretch goal is $25k for 4 free minis (some of which are very large), we're into freebie town, now!

**Alfndrate**

squall018 wrote:
That Maurader in Ripper armor is probably my favorite looking concept art so far. Hope it transfers well when sculpted.

>_> the colored art is even better

**nkelsch**

There is a difference between "models I do not like" and "flawed models"

There are basic anatomy and scale issues which damage models. Hero scale hides a lot of sins, realistic scale makes issues like 'too think legs to fit in the armor' stick out to such a point it hurts to look at the model.

The problem is they force people to lock in orders before sculpts are done.

I would be fine if they said 'Get 4 warbands' and then wait for orders to be locked in until they had finished the sculpts. They don't need to know the run numbers until the molds are machined. It would be even better if they broke it down to model size and say "get 10 small and 2 large"

Then people could support and guarantee they get models they want and like. It would also make bad models crash and crash hard which should incentivize mantic into making better sculpts opposed to the "we already have your money and your pledge is set in stone... we not changing the model to meet your feedback." response we get now.

Because they have a 'take money first, produce sculpts later' attitude without a reliable success rate, people should wait for sculpts if they want guaranteed good models.

And if they want bulk and don't care about quality, then this is a good source of plastic.

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SeanDrake wrote:
scarletsquig wrote:
^ Wasn't responding to your reasonable post, but nkelsch's infinitely more antagonising one.

Meh don't worry about it SS it's one of those things.

In fact it's one of the laws of nature Waters wet, fires hot, gw is expensive and Nkelsch will turn up in a Mantic thread complaining.

Anyway in my opinion one of the issues with most of the photos of the captain is he just looks weird with the helmet visor up from an angle.

They took hundreds of my dollars and produced poor models, So I will share my experiences and dissatisfaction and warn people to protect thier pocketbooks.

**Alpharius**

Will you also acknowledge improvement and quality when you see it too?

I hope?

Because if not, well, you can see how it can get a bit tiresome.

**Bossk_Hogg**

RiTides wrote:
It's a 50K campaign, not 25K, Bossk_Hogg

My ability to comprehend numbers past my number of fingers and toes should always be suspect.

**Azazelx**

Bolognesus wrote:
...Well, those starters sure are set up to be expanded by stretch goals a bit - this isn't much of a value just yet.
Problem is I specifically want those enforcer engineer and sniper models - neither of which is even available for any kind of pledge yet.
Sure it'll get better yet, though. Quite interesting to see how far that will go - Dreadball felt like a better value at the start of it's KS campaign than this does now...

Heh, you're right there. 20 figures, 5 larger figures of Mantic quality in restic and 5 hard plastic scenery sprues for $150. Kickstarter has become such a meta-game in and of itself in the mini gaming genre.

AlexHolker wrote:
$40 for 6 models this time?

Yeah, it's more expensive than GW models at this point for figures that will typically be way sub-par to GW ones. I got a later Early Bird since I was busy raiding and forgot. I'll follow this thread somewhat but look at it again properly in about 28 days to decide whether I stay in or drop out. Of course, if they're thinking of setting those boxes at $40 a pop RRP, then they might find this game dies in the arse. I suspect that the fake "unlocks" this campaign provides may bump up the retail value for "everyone" by the time this ends. No need to stress at this stage.

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Nick Ellingworth wrote:
I'm sure they're coming, can't really blame Mantic for being a little slow as I doubt that anyone would have foreseen Deadzone being funded so quickly.

Not putting any up initially leaves them space to pace them further apart.

**kilcin**

Cyporiean wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
I'm just waiting for the Teratons to show up!

Soon Enough!

Lovely lady with insider knowledge, any chance the Nameless will show up?