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 CptJake wrote:

 Zweischneid wrote:


If you want to play Deadzone with Forge Fathers, you'll almost certainly have to get your sci-fi dwarfs from Mantic either way.

Not sure why you would say that, I'm thinking Hasslefree Grymm would work great.







arm variants:

Grymn are much tinier than it looks from the pictures, I bought some on speculation that they would make good Squats...but they are the size of Ratlings. Their autoguns are the size of GW autopistols.

Generally speaking on the semi off topic dwarfs and space dwarfs in particular, I hate the "GW dwarfs" look and refuse to accept the kneeless beard with gorilla arms as what a dwarf should look like, dwarfs should be correctly proportioned well build humanoids and not a parody.

Mantic does a decent work in depicting them, they could do better though, hasselfree grimms look good, but could be a bit better proportioned.

on the on topic, its a nice strachgoal, the real question is what are they planning ahead of that because it looks like a funding raiser, they probably plan something big.

So does anyone quite understand how this works? I missed out on Dreadball

Lets say i i pledge 285$ for the terrain package, it says i can pick the sprues, is this essentially after it funds then they will give you the option then?

Same thing with addons, how can i upgrade my pledge to let them know what I want?

Man... zombies are really starting to get old. :-p

That said, anything for this game, tooled for hard-plastic, that I KNOW will fill a slot in a Warpath list, is a good thing, and makes me happy.

Still... i'll be even happier when we pass this big batch of goals, and get to the teased items like more faction specialists, and heavy weapons/walkers, etc...

Also, less zombie horde mode.... more larger scale Deadzone rules please. :-p

overtyrant wrote:
You know I'll take your Z's Riquende!

Maybe. If there are scenarios that require having 5, then I'll keep my free ones for that, but if not then I don't really want them for anything else.

 Warboss Gubbinz wrote:
So does anyone quite understand how this works? I missed out on Dreadball

Lets say i i pledge 285$ for the terrain package, it says i can pick the sprues, is this essentially after it funds then they will give you the option then?

Same thing with addons, how can i upgrade my pledge to let them know what I want?

Don't worry after the kickstarter ends when the survey comes you will get a simple comprehensive survey were you will add the things you wanted.

Gah. Already overextended on this thing, and now it looks like I'm gonna have to get some sci-fi zombies on top of it...

Still looking forward to the actual locking-in of solo and multiplayer/larger battles. If we're going to have games on 4x4 tables I wanna know as soon as possible so I can modify my expectations for the terrain I'll be needing.

Seems like the enclosed enforcer captain head and optional cape will make that model a lot more versatile.
While the female reb commander looks amazing, I'm not sure what you could do with 4 of her unless she also gets a different head etc.
Enforcers may have just gained a slight advantage in the continual battle for bonus faction starter slots...

Also, rather stoked about the book.

Earth Dragon wrote:

Not so certain that will apply here. It all depends how LOS rules pan out. If even the tip of you gun makes it to where I can shoot you, they may want more control on how guys are posed. For that reason, I've refused to play by house rules that let people shoot at hands and feet on models in Necromunda. It's of my opinion, people's sculpts shouldn't be the determining factor on how hard or easy it is for a model to hide behind cover.

So if they are trying to put standards on how much a model sticks out, and ensure models of a certain type have xxxx amount of girth to them, it might get pretty unbalanced once the power gamers show up with the skinniest Sci-Fi orcs they can find, just so they aren't getting shot at as often.

It's partially why I feel the LOS rule needs adjustments made, but maybe they have a sculpting standard for each model, and that's part of their "intangible" stats. If Jake or Ronnie has issued such instruction, I suppose I'm okay with the rule, but that also mean outside models and major adjustments to official ones shouldn't be legal.

The problem with that is, well, there's obviously no control of that kind over the figures coming out. The Orx were "fine" until the backlash - and one of the normal ones and a ripper suit were both in "I'm a butterfly" poses with their arms akimbo. Additionally, any model with posable arms is going to run afoul of it, not to mention if they're going to allow Warpath models in (which I'm sure they will). Just think of that Forgefather walker dreadnought thing. Fully posable arms. If you raise it's hammer up for an action pose, it's suddenly a difference of about a whole infantry figure in the air. Besides, it's not like they can stop anyone outside of their own tournaments.

 Vermonter wrote:
These aren't throw-away units for a niche game, they're planning on using the Marauders as a crucial component of their Warpath armies. Why not invest in the models properly so they'll pay off later? The Kromlech models posted by Azazelx show what's possible - why didn't Mantic aim higher?
As a first time Mantic customer, it's apparent that they're moving towards higher sculpting standards. But it's also apparent that they're still in transition, and that high standards aren't held across the entire line.
And putting up individual restic figures as high-priced add-ons with only the concept art for customers to go on is nonsensical. If there has to be a gamble involved in terms of what the final sculpt will actually look like, they need to sell those figures at a significant discount to move them.

Good post. (and not because you referenced me). There are a couple of key points here though - this is an issue of a number of the KoW sculpts. And not just in terms of going off-concept, like the trolls (or these orks). The arms on the Nuns are simply disproportionate. If you look at the early-sculpts of them, long before the painted ones, you can see that. Yet that let that one through and past the goalkeeper. The result is that we bitch and moan a bit, but we'll be forgotten in a month or two. The end result is that they will have sub-par comedy models on the shelf as their new releases for years to come. Of course the same applies to a number of the KoW sculpts, and will to these Orx. If I stay in, I might paint or use the "free" Orx, because at least one of them has moved from gak to okay, and the others might be usable, but there's no chance in hell I'll buy more (I buy a lot of models, incidently). If I need more "Orx" for my Warpath or DreadZone games, I'll be buying Orks from GW and Orcs from places like Kromlech/Maxmini. Then again, I could just as easily leave them in a box and just paint the better ones instead. - not a great advertisement for Mantic. Especially since it's a "starter" set.

The point on individual "concept art" characters is a good one. I really do like the concept art for the Helfather and a couple of the others. Unfortunately, I'm just not likely to trust Mantic to come up with a figure that matches the art anymore. Why give them money for it now and take the risk? Better to just pick it up at retail for about the same amount of money, if it's a good figure, if we still care enough about it by then.

 scarletsquig wrote:

But as people have well articulated here many times already, they need to drop the fixed faction thing.

This. I'd pay extra for this.
Cain nails it really... no matter what they do with the Orx, some people aren't going to want that faction.
Forgefathers would have been a more natural fit as the fourth faction, they're the most popular Warpath army.

That's why they're a paid add-on - (which can now be a "free" addition.) I believe the "free faction" thing wasn't part of the initial roadmap, but was instead damage control brought in to stop the backlash over the Orx from derailing the campaign.

 Zweischneid wrote:
Well, don't think they'll switch out the Orx.
If you want to play Deadzone with Forge Fathers, you'll almost certainly have to get your sci-fi dwarfs from Mantic either way.
Unlike DreadBall, Deadzone may potentially (!) be facing some severe "reverse-counts-as" risk from people that just grab the awsome "no-measuring-tape, "true-line-of-site", rule-set from Jake, but simply plug-in their dust-gathering collection of GW Space Marines, some Kromlech Orks, Necromunda-minis-as-Rebs, new-Wraithguard as Cyphers, etc.., at least until they know whether they truly dig the game or not.

Well, not entirely accurate. If you want to play Forgefathers, you've still got the same options as Squat players have had for the past 20(?) years. Grymm, Bob Olley, Heartbreaker/Black Tree, Plastic GW, etc, fantasy dwarfs + sci-fi mod parts, Old GW models, etc, etc. The Mantic ones are the cheapest/easiest at this point, though. (and fit Plastic fantasy dwarfs + sci-fi mod parts!) As you say, there's no shortage of other proxy models that will be usable though. Which makes sense, given the "proxy-for-GW" nature of the ranges and models that Mantic started with.
- fake edit - great pics of the Grymm, CptJake! - they even have females that appear to just fit in without being sexualised!


Good news on the Enforcer captain getting upgraded. And the space zombies are an interesting/good result. I guess their conversion kit is selling well, 40k players are keen for them. With that announcement, I think I also heard Chris Valera orgasm al the way from across the Pacific.




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The book's not bad either. Free/$10 is quite reasonable.

There is a non-zero chance we may actually break through $575k by the end of the night, that would be most excellent. Here's hoping this is the start of the ramp up phase (though the weekend is still likely to be slow; hopefully we'll at least pick up Nastanza and get a good start toward $600k before Monday).

Zombies are ok, but I'm not blown away by the concept art. Price is decent, but besides the 5 freebies I think I'd rather just get some of the Wargames factory ones:



Or just get some Zombie chickys



either way ya can't beat 30 figs for $20 USD

 Kalamadea wrote:
Zombies are ok, but I'm not blown away by the concept art. Price is decent, but besides the 5 freebies I think I'd rather just get some of the Wargames factory ones:
Or just get some Zombie chickys
either way ya can't beat 30 figs for $20 USD

I'm just hoping they come out as good as their fantasy ones. Who sculpted those? Bob Naismith? They should get whoever sculpted the originals back in for the sci-fi ones, to keep them looking good and consistent - then I won't be worried by the concept art. I do intend to get a box or two of each of the WGF ones as well, and I've got.. 80 each of the studio Miniatures modern and Nazi ones as well, (plus Zombicide stuff) so some sci-fi themed ones would work well also. I could see getting at least one set of these, and maybe a couple.

edit - removed redundant pic quotes.

I just got home and it already looks like we'll be getting those extra EU figures within the next few minutes (under 300 until they unlock).

So now we've got zombies entering the fray? Hmm...

I could totally picture my family using an adapted ruleset from Zombicide with all the Plague and zombie figures. Drop in whatever for characters and voila, we'll have instant sci fi Zombicide!

Of course Zombicide doesn't really account for cover, varying elevation, or anything really of a tactical nature- but since the kids already know how to play that one, I'm one step closer to getting them to play the games Dad wants!

Yay!

And getting them to do what you want, and think its their own idea, isn't that what being Dad is all about?

Dance puppets!

DANCE!

Sorry to probably bring up something that's been discussed before, but I've been reading and can't find an answer. So is the terrain supposed to be the kind of thing you can take apart and assemble again and again in different forms, like LEGO, or is it just a one time connect it all together then glue it permanently thing?

^ It's designed to be take apart + reassemble, with no glue required.

Boom 575k, assuming we will wait for morning for update. Yay for EU factions, almost up to par with the others.

Hmm... considering jumping in now. Thanks!

Alright, looks like I'm rolling in laser-tanks and cantankerous space miners now. Hopefully the next update will open up prices for FF and Asterian unit add-ons. I needs me some of those. Wonder if we'll see anything else for the wave 2 factions after this. Some extra specialists and characters are never a bad thing.

I really wouldn't mind seeing them add an Iron Ancestor at discount like they did with the Enforcer and Marauder captains. At least I'm assuming they were at a discount...

And I don't even like the Forge Fathers really! What the hell is wrong with me?

Hmm well next is merc. Then we get book--zombie rules--zombies. I agree, zombies should bring in some outside attention, while being a great value at the same time... It would be good to lock in the last update for the EU factions. or maybe they will need two, depends on what kind and how many of it they add in the next one.

After that, I really wanna see either solo or multiplayer, especially with 4x4' support.


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You've got the bug Highlord! No escape!

I am thinking of going with the Forge Fathers. Would I be better off picking a different faction?

Anyone know if that helfather will play with the Forge Fathers?

^ He will, in fact he's a merc so should play for any faction unless it specifically mentions otherwise. Helfathers are part of the forgefathers in the Warpath lore, not "chaos dwarfs" specifically.

Really glad that the zombies have got this thing moving into the fast lane.

highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I could totally picture my family using an adapted ruleset from Zombicide with all the Plague and zombie figures. Drop in whatever for characters and voila, we'll have instant sci fi Zombicide!

Oh, you better believe it. I already dropped the money for the add-on as soon as I got home. I will have my hoard and you will have to deal with it.

highlord tamburlaine wrote:I don't even like the Forge Fathers really! What the hell is wrong with me?

What's not to like? I've already got a decent sized force of them. They're good figures.

 scarletsquig wrote:
Also, Mantic have confirmed cross-compatibility with their KoW zombie and ghoul frames.

They won't be re-using any parts from them, but they will be compatible, to give lots of extra variety if you want it.

Now i"m happy that I've been too slack to assemble my box of 80 Z Corps marines ; ) Mixing in some of these will make them all even more awesome.

Meh not a big fan of dwarfs/ves in any setting personally. I kinda like the forge guard though. Not a huge zombie fan either but its mantic and the price is right. Hard to argue with environmental hazards and extra solo/ scenario fodder!

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I really wouldn't mind seeing them add an Iron Ancestor at discount like they did with the Enforcer and Marauder captains. At least I'm assuming they were at a discount...

And I don't even like the Forge Fathers really! What the hell is wrong with me?

Is this (one of) your first KS? If so, that's part of it - getting carried along with the excitement. It's a psychological thing - kind of like the way people go ape gak when bidding on eBay (sometimes going higher than the BIN auction from the same seller).

Nah, I've done my fair share of kickstarters- those fat little suits of armor are really growing on me. I'm am however excited because the more goals we hit the sooner we can get to the stuff that's been teased that I'm really after- more big nasties and powered armor/ robots/ mecha of some sort.

Those little stubby tubs of armor plus their thick little tracked inferno cannons looks like they could end up being a fun army to work with. Slow and sturdy, the kind of army I like (which explains all our Trollbloods and Khador man-o-wars).

I like my models to have some girth to them- easier to paint, and the kids gravitate towards those too as they're easier to fiddle with.

I'm probably going to have to hit a kickstarter hiatus pretty soon, and I figured I'd go out with a bang on this one. At least until something REALLY awesome shows up.

besides this one OBVIOUSLY

@ DaveC Thanks! I was looking for a picture like that of the Praetorian but couldn't find one.

That picture does make it look like the Cyphers are about a head taller than normal humans which is about Wraithguard-sized. I used to play an Iyaden Ghost Army back in the day before I sold all of my non-Wolves 40K stuff

Can anyone explain the logic to me of giving out a free starter in a pledge to make up for the poor sculpts from the Marauders? Wouldn't it be a much better idea to have some really excellent sculpts for the Marauders made and piggyback excitement for that instead of doling out tons of free miniatures to make up for the lack in the ones currently?

 Fenriswulf wrote:
Can anyone explain the logic to me of giving out a free starter in a pledge to make up for the poor sculpts from the Marauders?

Where was that done?