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I still wish I could pick my factions.....

As a side note I think what's happened with the KoW stuff has hurt this. The retail price coming out showing that the BOGOF was actually more than most people will get stuff at retail was pretty harsh. Between that and the Orx and other iffy sculpts I think it's put a bit of a pinch on this one.

I might be down just Scout for Rebels with one or two additional models and then I might boost it during the post-kickstarter survey thing.

I did some rough calculations on the Antenociti stuff. From what I can tell, it's a slightly better deal than ordering straight from Antenociti IF you want everything in a given bundle. If you want most of it, but find some pieces uninteresting, it seems the price offset isn't worth it, and you're better off just going to Antenociti's website to pick and choose. I did say rough calculations, though, so take that with a grain of salt.

By my reckoning that makes the Warehouse deal and Military bundles worthwhile.

My plans for this keep fluctuating up and down, but at the moment I'm hedging my bets and sticking to the two Antenociti sets and Strike team. If Mantic decides to offer some good bundle deals, I could easily see my pledge going up again.

I have to agree with Scarletsquig - the current stretch goals are not going to motivate a lot of new pledging, or increased pledges. And at this stage in the game, putting up a stretch goal for a rules upgrade is counterproductive. They want to upgrade the rules for bigger scale skirmishes so people will want to buy more mats and figures and terrain. It's in their own best interest to get those rules expanded asap. Making it a stretch goal - one that will motivate no one - just means it will take longer for the pledge total to get to the point where they can release the big units etc. that will motivate people to want to buy the extra terrain etc. in the first place.

Really, the time for phantom "new rules in your digital pdf" goals ended a long time ago. Filler like that at this stage in the game is just clogging up the works.

hey, slightly off topic, i just assembled my season 2 figures from dreadball, and i got a bug head instead of the robot hero head. =/ where do i contact?

Triszin wrote:
hey, slightly off topic, i just assembled my season 2 figures from dreadball, and i got a bug head instead of the robot hero head. =/ where do i contact?

Not sure, but I'd suggest asking in the Dreadball thread:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/502957.page

instead of in the Deadzone thread.

The terrain is starting to catch my eye. I actually found the pictures of what you get spread out on 2x2 (and larger) sections to be the best thing about the latest update. I'm now getting tempted by a terrain only pledge with some Antenocitti's add ons.

MORE rules? Seriously?

Gotta echo the sentiment of that being a totally LAME stretch goal at this point in the show.

How's that going to drive numbers up? They should have had those rules locked in a lot earlier, or they should offer something to go along with those rules to get people spurred into buying more.

I'm not personally interested in bigger games at this point. Why would that push me to pledge more to reach that?

Oh, what's that? You wan to offer me new models to purchase- not just have a goal to start tooling as a carrot dangling far off in the future, but as an actual purchase without all the song and dance so that funds start driving up substantially? Okay, that I can get behind.

Stop dicking around already!

It's felt from the beginning that Mantic has been trying to keep funding on this one farther down than it has the potential for.

 highlord tamburlaine wrote:
I'm not personally interested in bigger games at this point. Why would that push me to pledge more to reach that?

It's not all about you thankfully. Other people might prefer to play only larger games, and this will draw them into pledging. Given they plan to play large games, they'll also likely pledge a lot. Other people decided to pledge less because you don't need much on a 2x2 board. With rules for 4x4 and larger they'll have the justification they need to get more terrain and minis to fill out larger boards. Sounds like a good way to get more funding to me.

I'm excited for big games, not for the rules, but for the light vehicles it will add.

@Yonan

Then they should produce the rules and present them. Instead of making them a stretch at this point. They should already be allowed and new bundles should be put up for them with stretches for new models/extra models to be added either for purchase or in Strike.

A stand alone rule stretch at this point isn't going to increase pledge amounts.

It's no different to any other stretch goal. "Oh I want that, I'll pledge to help achieve it". Making substantial additions to the rules will be expensive, it's a valid stretch goal.

Are there any pics of Mantic minis against Sedition Wars minis? Would they be reasonably interchangeable between games?

 Yonan wrote:
With rules for 4x4 and larger they'll have the justification they need to get more terrain and minis to fill out larger boards. Sounds like a good way to get more funding to me.

Honestly, then it shouldn't even be a stretch goal. Want people to buy more models? Throw the rules expansion in as a bonus, not a stretch.


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Trasvi wrote:
Are there any pics of Mantic minis against Sedition Wars minis? Would they be reasonably interchangeable between games?

They're basically the same size, and I'd consider them interchangeable/compatible. Latest post from the weekend on my blog was some size comparison stuff around Maxmini heads. The pics show some Mantic corp and enforcers and a SW male and female. Note, the SW figures are about 1mm shorter because they lack an integral base.

Quick pic for those who don't want to click. More pics on the blog, obviously.

From left-right, we have a Sedition Wars female, a “marine” made of a Maxmini head, GW torso and Anvil Industries legs. A sci-fi Bombshell Babe. She’s about the height of a marine, but less bulky – A good representative for many of Reaper’s sci-fi figures. Next is A Mantic Enforcer, Mantic Corporation with actual head, Sedition Wars male, and another Mantic Corporation fig with Maxmini “Biohazard” diving bell. Last up, we have a completed GW Space Marine.

 Yonan wrote:

It's not all about you thankfully. Other people might prefer to play only larger games, and this will draw them into pledging. Given they plan to play large games, they'll also likely pledge a lot. Other people decided to pledge less because you don't need much on a 2x2 board. With rules for 4x4 and larger they'll have the justification they need to get more terrain and minis to fill out larger boards. Sounds like a good way to get more funding to me.

You're right, it isn't all about me. What it should be about is getting fence sitters and new backers interested and enticing people like me to put more money into this project.

If I'm already throwing hefty sums of money at Mantic for a product I'm obviously interested in, why aren't they doing more to sell it to me? Get me for all I've got!

I'm not going to give them more money just for the hell of it or to be nice. However if Mantic said "Oh, we'll toss in these (?) items to whet your appetite for larger scale games, and then we'll offer X items at a reduced price to go along with these new rules," well all of a sudden, I'd be a hell of a lot more interested in wanting to play a much bigger game- which means I'm tossing more money into the pot and everyone wins.

Right now though, I'm content to sit with my pledge currently where it is.

I get rules take resources to put together, test, edit, and test some more. Rules alone aren't going to drive pledges up. My opinion the goal should have been the rules+ some bonus to entice me to play larger games. Offer up vehicle add- ons when it unlocks, or free non- faction artillery included at certain pledge levels... something besides more pages to a PDF file/ book I'd end up with anyways if there were more options to purchase.

I'll chalk my attitude up to sheer impatience, but I really feel Mantic has tried to play it a lot safer this time around. I won't pass judgement until all is said and done.

I guess what they could do is just bump up any stretch goals by the amount of money needed for the rules then try to go for, "we'll do the model and the rules for it to integrate it into the game."

They could simply have made it a stretch goal because Jake is still working on getting the rules drafted. I wouldn't be surprised if he's working on stuff right already, and they just placed a stretch goal at about the point they figured he'd be done.

Hulksmash wrote:
I want to pledge more but nothing really fits for what I want. I'm not even sure my current pledge is going to stay where it is....

Hulksmash wrote:
I think the more I look at this the more I'm going to be dropping strike for just Scout (for rebs) and then a bunch of terrain. Or maybe just specific models and terrain.

Hulksmash wrote:
Shame since I'm likely to drop Strike now as the more I look at it the more the only starter that looks worth painting to me is the Rebs.

Hulksmash wrote:
I'm less and less excited about this the closer it gets to closing. I think I'm dropping to just terrain since I could use that for sure.

Hulksmash wrote:
I might be down just Scout for Rebels with one or two additional models

For someone so set on dropping their pledge you sure are taking a while to actually do it....

Still not sure how much to put on this, I've just spend far too much panic-completing an Epic army.

Is it wrong to hold out hope till the last day or two? I keep hoping they'll do something to inspire me. I'm still currently in for $300. Most of what I've written is me verbalizing my conflict at spending on this project when I also have spent far to much finishing my Epic and Gothic forces in the last few weeks.

Anyone care to provide input on how the game plays?

I'm debating on getting two of the same starters but I don't want to be in a situation where I can't use all the minis.

jdelrio22 wrote:
Anyone care to provide input on how the game plays?

I'm debating on getting two of the same starters but I don't want to be in a situation where I can't use all the minis.

There are actually a few game-play "aspects" video on the Deadzone Kickstarter (Line of Sight for example.)

Not to mention the actual Beta Rules. Have a try with some proxies from your bitz-box.

There was a blog post a few pages back with some gameplay impressions of the beta rules. Here is a link to the blog.

I think the hinted at vehicles will cause a surge in excitement and pledges, especially for 'weaponized' versions of the Dreadball mech...

A much needed 'shot in the arm', though really in all likelihood this one is still going to finish in the $900K - $1M range!

I just hope they've got those stretch goals ready for the last day frenzy - which is on a Sunday at 7PM EST!

The gameplay video should be out today, too, which will be nice, it's a lot easier to learn a game by viewing it being played than by reading about it.

 scarletsquig wrote:
The gameplay video should be out today, too, which will be nice, it's a lot easier to learn a game by viewing it being played than by reading about it.

Agreed!

I'm looking forward to that - I'm sure there are a lot more visual learners out there!

Just $5k before zombies! Hopefully with it not being Memorial Day things will step up a bit today and we see the stretch hit by the end of the day. Then it is on to more precious specialists.

 Hulksmash wrote:
Is it wrong to hold out hope till the last day or two? I keep hoping they'll do something to inspire me. I'm still currently in for $300. Most of what I've written is me verbalizing my conflict at spending on this project when I also have spent far to much finishing my Epic and Gothic forces in the last few weeks.

I understand this completely, as I'm pretty sure my waffling on this KS is very well-documented at this point. I really want to go big, but I don't want to be one of those "STUFF FOR THE STUFF GOD!" crazies...anymore.

I'm just waiting for that killer add-on to show up that helps break the indecision between the two extremes at the moment.

I don't get the big games thing; isn't that what Warpath is for? I feel they shouldn't develop this to the point it will compete with Warpath...

At the moment, I'd mainly like to see them round off the basic core game (getting all the stuff for all 6 factions sorted, and those booster packs that everyone wants unlocked) before going off and starting the 4x4 stuff with the vehicles and large models and stuff.

It's just kinda nice to have the core stuff "in the bag" before moving on to other nice, but non-core stuff like the zombies rules expansion and the 4x4 rules expansion... people get itchy fingers whenever a "Your .pdf will get a couple more pages of rules in it" $10k stretch goals are posted, and the fanfic .pdf goal at $525k was an absolute pain in the arse to get past, it was funded at 3am one morning, but wasn't funded at 9pm the next day after the total yo-yo'ed like crazy for that entire 18-hour period.

That one definitely wasn't necessary, we already get more fanfic submitted to Ironwatch magazine*, than can be published, and that's in a monthly .pdf fanzine.

With dreadball, all the season 1 stuff was 100% funded before they moved on to season 2, which worked quite well (if you look at the kicktraq pages for both projects, you can see how well they handled the endgame with dreadball).

*(which I occasionally make cover art for, if anyone is curious, issues #2, #8 and #9 are my work, as well as the logo )

I agree. The Dread-Ball Seasons added a really nice structure to the overall Kickstarter. It was "tidy" in a way this one kinda isn't. And - at least in my experience - it created a really good "Kickstarter-Dynamic" at the end of the DreadBall-KS as everyone wanted (!) to get Season 3 into the bag.

There's no "milestone" of that sort apparent with this one (at the moment).

From the comments section:

scarletsquig 39 minutes ago

Also, maybe a super-bundle that has all 6 of the faction boosters... that kind of thing really worked well in the last 2 weeks of Dreadball.

Creator Mantic Games 8 minutes ago

@ Scarletquig - get out of our heads!

Creepy!

Also, what exactly would that entail, do you think?