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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/26 11:38:02
Subject: Thank you for your deposits EU!
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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A heart felt thanks from the US and UK to the EU, for your new policy of steering deposits to us.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/9952979/Cyprus-bail-out-savers-will-be-raided-to-save-euro-in-future-crises-says-eurozone-chief.html
Cyprus bail-out: savers will be raided to save euro in future crises, says eurozone chief
Savings accounts in Spain, Italy and other European countries will be raided if needed to preserve Europe's single currency by propping up failing banks, a senior eurozone official has announced.
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The new policy will alarm hundreds of thousands of British expatriates who live and have transferred their savings, proceeds from house sales and other assets to eurozone bank accounts in countries such as France, Spain and Italy.
The euro fell on global markets after Jeroen Dijsselbloem, the Dutch chairman of the eurozone, announced that the heavy losses inflicted on depositors in Cyprus would be the template for future banking crises across Europe.
"If there is a risk in a bank, our first question should be 'Okay, what are you in the bank going to do about that? What can you do to recapitalise yourself?'," he said.
"If the bank can't do it, then we'll talk to the shareholders and the bondholders, we'll ask them to contribute in recapitalising the bank, and if necessary the uninsured deposit holders."
Ditching a three-year-old policy of protecting senior bondholders and large depositors, over €100,000, in banks, Mr Dijsselbloem argued that the lack of market contagion surrounding Cyprus showed that private investors could now be hit to pay for bad banking debts.
"If we want to have a healthy, sound financial sector, the only way is to say, 'Look, there where you take on the risks, you must deal with them, and if you can't deal with them, then you shouldn't have taken them on,'" he said.
"The consequences may be that it's the end of story, and that is an approach that I think, now that we are out of the heat of the crisis, we should take."
The announcement is highly significant as it signals the mothballing of the euro's €700bn bailout fund, the European Stability Mechanism (ESM), which Spain and Ireland wants to be used to recapitalise their troubled banks.
"We should aim at a situation where we will never need to even consider direct recapitalisation," he said.
"If we have even more instruments in terms of bail-in and how far we can go on bail-in, the need for direct recap will become smaller and smaller."
The eurozone had been planning to roll out the ESM as a "big bazooka" in mid-2014 that could help save banks and prevent financial turmoil in countries such Spain or Italy, a development that has been delayed by German resistance.
Mr Dijesselbloem's comments will alarm countries like Ireland and Spain that had been hoping to access the ESM in order to restructure banks without killing off their financial sector by inflicting huge losses on investors.
"I think the approach needs to be, let's deal with the banks within the banks first, before looking at public money or any other instrument coming from the public side," he said.
"Banks should basically be able to save themselves, or at least restructure or recapitalise themselves as far as possible."
In a note published on Monday following the Cyprus bailout deal, Barclays warned that "the decision to bail in senior bank debt and large depositors will likely have a price impact on equity and credit instruments of those euro area banks that are perceived as the weakest".
Mr Dijsselbloem acknowledged that "there is still nervousness" but claimed that any jitters on financial markets caused by the new approach would be a good thing because it would raise the cost of borrowing for unsound banks, an argument unlikely to win friend in Madrid or Rome.
"If I finance a bank and I know if the bank will get in trouble, I will be hit and I will lose money, I will put a price on that," he said.
"I think it is a sound economic principle. And having cheap money because the risk will be covered by the government, and I will always get my money back, is not leading to the right decisions in the financial sector."
Last night, the Dutch finance minister tried to row back from his comments by insisting that "Cyprus is a specific case".
"Macro-economic adjustment programmes are tailor-made to the situation of the country concerned and no models or templates are used," he said.
Cypriot President Nicos Anastasiades admitted the eurozone bailout deal he struck in Brussels on Monday was painful but said Cyprus could now make a fresh start after having come a "breath away" from collapse. He also said there would be a criminal investigation into the crisis.
Banks in Cyprus will remain closed until Thursday, the nation's central bank announced. It had said earlier that banks would reopen today after a week-long shutdown, except for Laiki and Bank of Cyprus.
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-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/26 11:45:30
Subject: Thank you for your deposits EU!
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Hallowed Canoness
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It's banks across the EU that will be interesting to watch, it's already clear there's going to be a run in Cyprus.
If they keep this up the Euro will each parity with the dollar in time for my potential semester abroad this summer, that'd be wonderful for me at least.
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I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
SoB, IG, SM, SW, Nec, Cus, Tau, FoW Germans, Team Yankee Marines, Battletech Clan Wolf, Mercs
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/26 12:36:00
Subject: Thank you for your deposits EU!
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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Time to start keeping your money under your mattress
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/26 12:46:24
Subject: Thank you for your deposits EU!
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Meh, heard Dijselbloem on the radio today, he already retracted some of that. Besides, this is only for countries in a crisis as dire as Cyprus, not fussed.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/26 13:17:04
Subject: Thank you for your deposits EU!
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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If you believe that, I have a Cyprus bank offering above average rates of return for you to save with...
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/26 13:31:33
Subject: Thank you for your deposits EU!
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Blood Angel Captain Wracked with Visions
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Frazzled wrote:If you believe that, I have a Cyprus bank offering above average rates of return for you to save with...
Between that and Nigerian bankers sending me emails I wonder will my inbox cope
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/26 16:03:56
Subject: Re:Thank you for your deposits EU!
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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That just seems unnecessarily agitating... why announce that?
I wonder if the Cayman/Bahama's banking sectors could be at risk too?
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Live Ork, Be Ork. or D'Ork!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/26 16:59:56
Subject: Thank you for your deposits EU!
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Guard Heavy Weapon Crewman
Greenville, TX
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The real issue is that this is setting a precedent. That means that this so-called solution is now on the table for the U.S. banks as well.
When I look at the provision in Obamacare to allow the government access to your bank accounts, I wonder if this was not a contingency plan all along. Now they have a test for the possibility/probability of our next bail-out crisis. Of course, it might not go over so peacefully here.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/26 17:21:05
Subject: Thank you for your deposits EU!
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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Bonecrusher 6 wrote:The real issue is that this is setting a precedent. That means that this so-called solution is now on the table for the U.S. banks as well.
When I look at the provision in Obamacare to allow the government access to your bank accounts, I wonder if this was not a contingency plan all along. Now they have a test for the possibility/probability of our next bail-out crisis. Of course, it might not go over so peacefully here.
Its always been a contingency. Oh wait, did you think the government was here to help?
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/26 17:59:24
Subject: Re:Thank you for your deposits EU!
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Tea-Kettle of Blood
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If they had done this since the beginning, odds are that we wouldn't be in this mess now!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/03/26 18:26:42
Subject: Re:Thank you for your deposits EU!
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5th God of Chaos! (Yea'rly!)
The Great State of Texas
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PhantomViper wrote:If they had done this since the beginning, odds are that we wouldn't be in this mess now!
You mean 'you're in that mess.' We're doing fine thanks for asking.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/03 20:56:01
Subject: Re:Thank you for your deposits EU!
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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Here's an update so far expressed in this nice infographic.
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Live Ork, Be Ork. or D'Ork!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/03 22:24:57
Subject: Re:Thank you for your deposits EU!
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Man, things are going down the tubes fast.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/08 17:54:49
Subject: Re:Thank you for your deposits EU!
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5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
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Looks like Portugal is next in the crossfire...
The Portuguese government is considering a plan to pay public workers and pensioners one month of their salary in treasury bills rather than cash after a high court ruled out wage cuts, a person familiar with the situation said Sunday
So... would anyone like to accept T-bills instead of cashola?
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Live Ork, Be Ork. or D'Ork!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/08 18:29:21
Subject: Re:Thank you for your deposits EU!
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Tea-Kettle of Blood
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whembly wrote:Looks like Portugal is next in the crossfire...
The Portuguese government is considering a plan to pay public workers and pensioners one month of their salary in treasury bills rather than cash after a high court ruled out wage cuts, a person familiar with the situation said Sunday
So... would anyone like to accept T-bills instead of cashola?
Our "Constitution" forbids the Government from laying off public workers and from making any type of pay cuts, including the various types of "subsidies" that the past 35 years of left-wing governments used to bypass salary spending restrictions...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/08 18:30:13
Subject: Re:Thank you for your deposits EU!
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Imperial Admiral
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whembly wrote:
So... would anyone like to accept T-bills instead of cashola?
Not if they're Portuguese.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/04/08 18:34:39
Subject: Thank you for your deposits EU!
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Trazyn's Museum Curator
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As a Frenchman, I have only 2 words:
Well...feth.
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